Exceeds - Kovacs
Falling Short - Patterson
Exceeds - Lytle
Fell Short - Whitley
Exceeds - Kovacs
Falling Short - Patterson
Exceeds - Lytle
Fell Short - Whitley
I am by no means calling you out, but I'm curious if anyone on mgoboard had ANY expectations for Kovacs. Hell, I had no idea who the guy was until I saw him on the field.
I think a walk-on cracking the starting lineup at Michigan means he instantly exceeded expectations.
as a sophomore!!!...admittedly preseason honors don't mean much. He is a legacy so there was some expectation but to see him crash and stuff the run (except Darius Willis of course...) it was above and beyond.
Given the weaknesses I have to say I'm surprised Van Slyke didn't play some more...
EDIT:Make that 4th Team B10...Behind Sukay, Sash and and Jay Vallai...I used to remember stuff...
Fell Short: Steve Schilling, Donovan Warren, Tim Jamison, Eugene Germany, Carlos Brown, LaTerryal Savoy, Brandon Moore, Terrence Robinsonm, JB Fitzgerald
I realize some of this guys careers are incomplete and some were actually pretty good and started multiple years, but nonetheless these are guys I pegged as stars who didn't quite get there.
Exceeded: David Moosman, Perry Dorrestein, Troy Woolfolk ( I still think hes underrated), Reuben Riley, Tate Forcier (i knew he'd be good right away, but on the whole and removed from constant nitpicking his every flaw, he was amazing for a true freshman qb - His qb rating of 128 was only 4 below Henne's freshman mark who was universally praised and had the bilentnikoff winner)
You listed a lot of guys who you say have fallen short, and although about half of them haven't gotten to the point in their careers where you'd expect them to do anything yet, I will strongly disagree with Schilling. Yes, he was a 5-star, you if you're in the camp that every 5-star should be All-American by their junior year, then I suppose he's fallen short. But Schilling will be a 4-year starter on the OL, sometimes asked to play OT when his natural position is OG, and at many times been the best player on the OL. He's not Jake Long, but he's been the only lineman since Jake who we knew had secured his spot every week and didn't struggle with injuries.
Molk has certainly shined when he's in, but Schilling will have been the anchor for our OL for 3 full years, and if he has the senior he should will be an NFL draft pick. Even for a 5-star, that's not falling short of expectations.
I wasn't arguing that he wasn't good. He has been a solid starter for us and I am appreciative of that fact and the work he has put in. The question, however, was based on expectation. I don't think all 5 stars will pan out and in fact, try to reserve my optimism before seeing guys play. I just knew he was touted for his mobility and I thought he was a smart kid with a great recruiting profile and had star potential. He obviously hasnt reached that.
And I think we are nearing the point with Moore and especially JBFitz were if they were to contribute in any meaningful way, that would be seen as a bonus at this point. Not exactly what we were hoping for. TRob, especially is too young to write off and I wasn't doing that, just more or less stating that I haven't seen too much to think he'll crack the stacked slot rotation very often.
this year will be epic for him and the NFL awaits.
Exceeded: Roy Roundtree
Fell Short: Greg Mathews
Exceeded: Mike Cox. There is NO DOUBT Mike Cox has exceeded expectations.
Fell Short: Devin Gardner. That guy was supposed to be the top QB? And what he hasn't done CRAP since.
Let's hope Mike Cox will exceed all expectations and bust loose all over Ohio this November.
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In the class with Mike Hart, Mike Hart was supposed to be the career back-up to.....
His offer list:
He was supposed to be "the man" out of high school and got completely showed up by Mike Hart.
In the few games Max Martin played in he looked ok too (when he didn't fumble), but then he transferred to like Alabama A&M and barely ever played there. I really thought Max Martin was going to be really good. Oh well I guess, because Mike Hart seemed to do OK for himself.
Exceeded- Roundtree and Kovacs
Fell Short- 2009 Pass Blocking
Even in watching the early games last year, it was amazing to see how often Tate had to make something out of nothing. I wonder how much of their pass protection woes have to do with talent and how much of it is coaching (not meant as an insult to the staff).
Exceeded - Odoms
Fell short - D. Warren, C. Brown
Exceeded: Anthony Carter. The beginning of the Florida pipeline. Seriously, who really expected him to score in so many incredible ways, and average 17+ yards every touch coming into a run-focused attack?
Fell Short: Recently, probably Booboo. He had some pretty good hype out of high school, and just completely fell apart.
Will exceed - Patrick Omameh. Down the road, this kid is going to be a force to be reckoned with IMO.
Under used - - Steve Breason (Stonum is in danger of the same thing) Simply put, I think he should have had much bigger WR stats.
Exceeded - DHarris, Mike Hart, Roy Roundtree, Odoms,
Fallen short - Carson Butler, Shawn Crable, Prescott Burgess, Gabe Watson
Breaston's stats probably would have been better . . . if he knew how to catch the damn ball.
I think you're right to a degree.. but a the same time I don't think he just learned how to catch the ball when he came to the NFL and became a damn good NFL WR.
Here are a couple from while I was an undergrad ('93-'96):
Exceeded expectations: Aaron Shea--arguably the best fullback Michigan has had in the post-Bo era
Disappointment: David Bowens--incredible talent (as later shown by his success in the NFL), but couldn't meet the off-field expectations; imagine the '97 defense with him on it!
exceeded expectations - Stevie Brown, after several years as the goat of the secondary was one of the better players last season.
disappointed - David Underwood, never could break through, injuries too. Mister Simpson. Adrian Arrington. Carl Tabb, Ronald Bellamy.
Kevin Koger will go on one of these lists after this year, hopefully not the latter. I expect him to be on the disappoint list, so having a decent season will ensure he exceeds my expectations.
pleasant surprise: Roy Roundtree
Disappointment: Mike Williams- think he was a 4 star recruit and he has simply "peed down his leg" when given the opportunity.
He was only a redshirt sophomore last year. Maybe we should reserve judgment for now...
I 100% agree with this, which makes me wonder why you created this thread. We're a team that's started tons of freshmen and sophomores for the past few years. Who can we possibly term a "disappointment". So now we get people saying Justin Turner is disappointing because...he redshirted his freshman year?
Well, you'll notice that I didn't limit the conversation to current players. They could be players from the '90s or the '80s or the 1930s. It was the above poster's choice to declare that a redshirt sophomore has failed to meet expectations...
true...but I don't think it will be difficult for him to find playing time to 'prove himself".
Fell Short: RBs: Max Martin, Jerome Jackson (I saw him play in high school and thought he would be ungodly, I was a kid though, so seeing what he did automatically translated to him doing the same in college, so my expectations may have been a little high), Darnell Hood, Pierre Rembert
Exceeded: Jake Long (understand he was a 4-star, but he turned out to be a monster), Mike Hart (probably why many of those RBs fell short), and Braylon
I think Carson Butler can go on both lists too. No one expected much out of him, and under the Carr era he was a great pass catching TE, but also the worst blocker ever to exist in our universe (ok, maybe a slight exaggeration). His head was never on his shoulders either, so for the athletic talent he seemed to have, he exceeded his 3-star DE expectations, but fell short of expectations once you saw him at TE.
Also surprised no one has said Sam McGuffie. I didn't personally have huge expectations for him (I liked Shaw's future more), but a lot of people were thinking Heisman was in his future. I know things just didn't work out injury-wise, but I'm still surprised no one has mentioned him as their own fell short, just because expectations were so high for him by so many people
Exceeded: Mike Hart.
Fell way short: Kevin Grady. I had high hopes for him. He looked really good at the beginning of the 2006 season and then got injured. Everything went downhill after that first injury.
Exceeded: I'm not really sure. Prior to 2007, I had no idea who anyone was before they started playing at Michigan, so I really didn't have expectations as to their production.
Post 2007, this is easy: Jordan Kovacs, Kevin Leach, Will Heininger, Nick Sheridan, and the walk-ons who have put their butts on the line and played to the best of their abilities, despite often attracting the scorn and ridicule of MGoBoard posters with 1/100th of their athletic ability.
Fallen short: Campbell, Emilien, Turner, Gallon, and the rest of the true freshmen who didn't start and dominate last year?
Seriously. All the guys at Michigan (and around college football in general) are all supreme athletes and work their tails off. Injuries and circumstance have a lot to do with success and failure in sport. If they try their best, I'm pretty sure none of us are in any position to criticize what happens to them.
Exceeded: Hart - 'nuff said.
Fell short: Dorsey - Hard to live up to the hype when you don't even make it on campus.
I'm giving this thread a pink slip.
Exceeded- Martavious Odoms. He's my favorite player on the team, so I'm biased. I just love his all-around game.
Fell short- Jonas Mouton. I expected a lot from him. I thought he'd be all-Big 10 by the end of last year or, at the very least, an average starter.
Jim Herman....2005, why did he have Branch at de and massey at dt? wth was he thinking?
Ron Lee..... db coach 2006, biggest disaster hire ever....well next to special teams coach hired in 2003....but still
I think this is unfair for players that are still on the team. There is still a chance for them to exceed expectations, or fall short for that matter. That being said, a couple that haven't been mentioned.
Exceeded-the 1997 team. I had no idea they could be that dominant, especially on defense. And I was sure Griese would be a disaster. Boy was I pleasantly surprised.
Fell short-Brandon Smith. Thought he was going to be a great safety for us but could barely get on the field as a linebacker, then transferred so he won't ever meet expectations, at least in maize and blue.
Exceeded: Tacopants. Unfortunately. Actually, I'll go with Kelvin Grady. I didn't really expect to see him play much at all, and he had a pretty solid season, I thought, in a full position.
Falling short: Mike Williams. Like it's been said, he had high star rankings, but nothing has happened yet.
Fell short: Chad Henne. Not in most ways. Not at all. But really, considering how good that kid was, would you have ever thought in a million years he wouldn't lead us to at least ONE victory over the Buckeyes as a four year starter?
Yeah man, screw Henne for not winning on the road as a freshman in 2004 and giving up 38 points.
Yeah man, screw Henne in 2005 for playing prevent defense and calling run run draw punt in the 4th while blowing a 11 point lead.
Yeah man, screw Henne in 2006 for putting up 38 points and still losing, or for the turf, or for Crable having brain lapses.
Yeah man, screw Henne in 2007 for the doctor that fucked up his cortisone shot, left him playing with a dead shoulder and not having any semblance of pass protection.
Because this thread is about players you hate or think were bad. Not about players who you expected something from that never happened.
I do'nt put expectations of winning or losing on any one player's shoulders. It's a team game.