the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
What players have exceeded/fallen short of your expectations?
Many have exceeded but one that I had little expectations for was mike Hart. He ment everything to the offense and I am so glad I got to see him play.
Fell short is the whole 2006 team. I can not think of a team so stockpiled with talent and fell just short against Ohio State then pretty much didn't show up against USC.
They were the best team in the country and have nothing to show for it.
HAIL!
They were the best team in the country and have nothing to show for it.
The reason they have nothing to show for it is because they weren't the best team in the country. As you pointed out in your post, they weren't as good as OSU or USC. Those things are obviously contradictory.
Forgot a huge bust.
Kevin Grady.
But that's what he'll be, forgotten.
Exceeded- David Molk, though injured his presence was sorely missed.
Fallen (Way) Short: Justin Boren
Exceeded: Roh - I could have never guessed he would have turned out so good so early. the next couple of years should be great for him.
Fell short: Rountree. Literally. Against Illinois. At the 1-yard line. I keed, I keed. I love me some Roundtree. In all seriousness, a tie between Minor Rage and Carlos Brown. And for the same reasons - not because of athleticism or ability. Because being injury-prone sucks.
Exceeded: Mike Hart, Roy Roundtree, Braylon Edwards.
Fell Short: Kevin Grady, Prescott Burgess, Pierre Woods, Boubacar Cissoko.
exceeded: Charles Woodson. After his freshman year I knew he was going to be good. But never in my wildest dreams did I (then) think he would win a Heisman trophy.
Fallen short: I second me's nomination of Cato June.
Exceeded: David Cone. I never thought he would do much, but his rapping skills and dope acting have shown me to never doubt him. Not to mention that spring game...
Fell Short: the Freep.
Florida Wolverines have dreadlocks...
exceed: Glad to see Mike Cox doing well, hope it translates on the field in sept.
Fell short: without listing the givens who left the team, J.B. Fitzgerald has not lived up to his HS hype
Exceeded: Jordan Kovacs. Nuff said.
Fell Short: Obviously still way early and the kid hasn't even played but Justin Turner has fallen short of the unrealistic expectations i had for him. Still time though.
No Fly Zone!
Exceeded: J. Kovacs, kid was a walk-on and started ahead of a couple scholarship starters. He was not great by any means but played his ass off and gave more effort than anyone not named Brandon. He can start for the next 3 years and I will be his biggest supporter.
Fell Short: D. Warren just for the opposite reasons I picked Kovacs. Had all the talent, but just seemed lazy at times and possibly one of the players that didn't "buy in" to Rodriquez. He was expected to be a shut-down corner and towards the end of the last year teams started to pick on him and stay away from Woolfolk.
I expected Craig Roh to literally tear a man's limbs from his body at some point this year. I was severely disappointed.
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I can't believe we're 32 comments in and no one has said this...EDIT: wlvrine beat me to it
Exceeded: Charles Woodson. This was still before the time of Rivals, Scout, and 24/7/365 coverage of 17 year olds so even if someone was a sought after recruit, no one really knew about it.
Fallen: Boo Boo. While I never thought he shouldve been a 5 star recruit in the first place, he still was a major disappointment.
Keep believing
Woodson was absolutely a beast of a recruit and he came in with a TON of hype. I mean, yeah, even then, he definitely exceeded it. But there were still recruiting services around back then, and Woodson was a stud coming out of HS.
I was going on 10 years old during his freshman year so I obviously wouldn't know anything about that hype. Just curious, I know that Rivals started in 2001, so what are these other services and when were they launched?
Keep believing
He was also the number one rated RB in the state of Ohio his senior year of HS.
Exceeded: Tom Brady, I was in Drew Henson's camp from the beginning and never really gave Brady a chance. Alabama game says it all.
Fell Short: Kevin Grady, I was extremely excited for him coming after what he did in high school only to fall short his whole career.
Great Topic!!!
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft; on the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing.” Bo
I couldn't figure out why they weren't starting Henson. Whose this Brady guy?
Fell Short - Grady, definitely.
Well there is David Bowens, Jon Ritchie, Fargas who all went on to play pro ball but didn't finish @ UM.
There is June, Burgess, Butterfield, Grady Brooks, Shazor, Watson, Massey, Rasheed Simmons, and I'll say Schilling as well although he isn't done. These guys were all 4-5 star guys who never really lived up to 5 star status. Sazor and Watson for sure had their moments but I was always expecting more. Hell Branch could go there as well and Mouton although he went through different coaches and positions.
Exceeded - Hart is the ultimate. It's hard because I've followed recruiting for such a long time, getting The Wolverine paper delivered even before I had internet access. Michigan always recruited so well and there was so much hype for most of the players in the class. D Jones was one here. I believe he had some injury which cost him his Sr yr and camps and such and was I think one of the last players to sign that year. He was an incredible LB for Michigan. Andre Weathers was a good story and really did well opposite of Woodson. Roundtree for sure is one who has exceeded so far. There could be alot to add to this list after this year.
Exceeded: Mike Hart.
Fell short: Matt Gutierrez. Obviously he got hurt and Henne never gave him a chance to get the job back, but I had high hopes coming into 2004. Surprised no one has mentioned him yet.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Exceeded - Braylon Edwards. I don't remember how much hype he had, only that he hadn't played football for very long before destroying every corner and safety in his path. I do remember scout giving him the usual unknown 3-star rating
Fail - I'd roll with Gabe Watson or Kevin Grady
I'm going to treat you all the same. Like dogs. - Bo
Drew Henson disappointed in a way, but only because he left. I can't blame him for following his pro baseball dream. I remember reading his dream was to play 3rd for the Yankees. I wish he would have really given football his best shot.
Tom Brady and Mike Hart are the obvious candidates for exceeded expectations.
Fell short: Greg Mathews. His senior year, I really expected him to approach 1000 yards recieving, yet for whatever reason, the QBs had difficulty getting him the ball. That's partly because they were freshman, yet he seemed to make less and less plays as the year went on.
Exceeded: Brandon Graham. There are five star recruits, and there are five star recruits that live up to their hype.
But never have I seen a guy with the raw talent of a future 1st rounder combined with the grittiness and pure fire of , say, Michael Hart. He simply produced game in and game out. Michigan's next future Hall of Famer in my opinion.
eenie meenie miney mo, catch a WR by his toe. if he scores six, let him go
was a 7 star in my book, and he still exceeded expectations
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I have a hard time agreeing that Mathews fell that far short of expectations, when you pointed out the reason (freshman quarterbacks) in your post. Expecting a 1,000-yard receiver in a run-heavy offense with freshman quarterbacks was a bad idea in the first place.
Fell short: Stevie Brown. Going into his sophomore year (also my sophomore year) I thought he was going to be tremendous. Up until that point he was a great playmaker on special teams, and based on recruiting hype and measurables I figured that he was going to be a stud. Although he finally put it together his senior season after a much-needed position switch, he never panned out as a safety despite the number of games that he started.
Exceeded: Kevin Koger. If I remember correctly, he came in as a DE (or at least as a DE/TE), and I figured he was destined for a redshirt with all of the older guys in front of him on the depth chart. Instead, he ended up as a full-time TE, a freshman starter, and one of the best players on our offense.
Stevie Brown exceeded expectations because after his first 3 years nobody expected him to do anything but came out and one was one the better players Michigan had last year. You also can't discount the loyalty and pride he showed last year after getting bashed the previous year, making the position shift, and not laying down like some of his other teammates.
Indeed -- as far as his senior year goes, I agree. But I was comparing his performance to my expectations coming into his sophomore year, when I expected him to be a solid three-year starter at safety and eventual All-Big 10.
I'm sure that nobody could have predicted the exact nature of his roller coaster of a career, but I'm glad that it finished with some great play as a senior and an eventual selection in the draft.
Koger was pretty much a TE from the beginning. Some message board posters wondered if he was going to be a DE, but that was all just speculation, AFAIK. He did play DE in high school, but then again, so did John Navarre...
Exceeded: Hart and Edwards.
Fell Short: Cissoko and Kevin Grady. I hope Turner turns things around, because he could end up here as well.
Exceeded: Graham, Woodley, Hart, and Manningham (plenty more, but I'm going from since I started watching UM football, which was in like 2002, 2003-ish)
Fell Short: Threet, Grady, A-Air, Witherspoon, Cissoko, Grady (both of them really, although, Kelvin to a much lesser extent), DWarren (Prolly could've done with another year... lol)
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I'm surprised at the number of people who have said that Craig Roh has exceeded their expectations. I really thought all (well, most) Michigan fans thought he was going to be good in the first place.
I would say that winning a starting job as a true freshman is usually above most fans' expectations for almost all players, outside of those who are extremely highly-touted 5-star types or who come in at positions of extreme need. At least that's how I look at it.
I can see that, I guess. Not many people would expect him to be a starter as a freshman, even if they did think he would be good at some point.
Exceeded: Zoltan Mesko, Patrick Omameh,
Fell Short: Drew Henson, Terrence Robinson
"what the hell is wrong with u?" "me? Nothing! you on the other hand, have a bullet inside of you!"
I like the stories of when you think someone fell short and then you find out something. Allen Jefferson was a hot recruit a long time ago and never did much and then Bo found out that he had some kind of growth on his leg so that he could hardly walk but didn't tell anyone. I just feel kind of sorry for someone like that
Those who are champions will stay
Fell Short - Nick Sheridan. Not kidding - when I heard he was going to start, I figured that maybe this could be one of those inspirational stories about the scrappy kid with a dream who refuses to give up and somehow ends up starting at the school of his dreams, and have a succcessful season ending with him being carried off the field by his teammates and possbly even getting the hot girl. Damn you, eighties movies, for setting my expectations unreasonably high.
Exceeded: Hart, David Harris, Jake Long, Morgan Trent (I thought he did well and my expectations were not insane), Mesko
Short: Shazor, Scott McIntosh, Baraka, Gabe Watson, Kevin Grady, Jeremy van Alstyne (remember we heard so many rumblings about him tearing it up in the offseason), Jeremy Jackson, Jim Presley (sucks he left), Max Martin, Massey, Eugene Germany, Carlos Brown...
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Jeremy Jackson? Really?
Maybe he meant Jerome Jackson?
Ha, yeah, sorry, meant Jerome
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I agree w/ the talent being there thats why i feel he has fallen short of expectations. I still feel Stonum has time to turn it around for his career but so far i expected him to be more of a top flight big ten receiver than he has. Plus Tate's scrambling and lack of QB play in yr. one hasn't hurt Tay Odoms productivity.