I never thought that Chad Henne would do as well in the NFL as he is. Not that I didn't think he had the ability, but I didn't think he'd have a chance.
In college, I would have loved to see Adrian Arrington do more. It's a shame he left early.
I never thought that Chad Henne would do as well in the NFL as he is. Not that I didn't think he had the ability, but I didn't think he'd have a chance.
In college, I would have loved to see Adrian Arrington do more. It's a shame he left early.
Fell Short: Cato June
Fell short- Alan Branch. He had a pretty good career at UM but for his size and strength thought he could completely dominate the line of scrimmage. Think Albert Haynesworth in a contract year.
Exceeded- Mike Hart without a doubt. Man do I miss watching him carry the ball on Saturdays. If you think about the running backs that preceded him, which were all physical studs, I wasn't expecting what UM got from him. His senior year also falls under the fell short category.
and I think Alan Branch should be as far away from the "fell short" half of this thread as possible. Why?
For the reasons I stated above. Though you are not a fan if you look at the picture that is what Branch was capable of at times. There were also times when he would just disappear. Like I said physically he was imposing and had the potential to really dominate games. He was good just never great which is why he was disappointing because the ability was there.
You compared Branch to a 2 time Pro Bowl NFL player. Come on. Of course a college player isn't going to live up to that comparison.
Alan Branch was a great player for Michigan. I'm sorry he couldn't have been better for you.
Alan Branch...did not fall short.
Gabe Watson, on the other hand...
Wow I didn't see this the first time I read the thread. Alan Branch fell short of expectations? What the hell, did you watch that 06 defense? Does anyone have Brian's graph of 3rd down conversions by yardage? It showed that opposing teams were very unsuccessful on 3rd and short mainly because of Branch.
Branch definetly had a good career at UM. My point is that I thought he had the talent to dominate not only in college but in the NFL. I listed Hart as my player who exceeded so I was trying to go outside of the box with Branch. In his fouth year with the Cardinals I will be looking for him to have a break out year and prove me right.
Did you follow Gabe Watson at all?
Exceeded: David Harris. I played against him in HS, and while he was a beast, he did most of his damage on the offensive side of the ball. After the injury early on in his career, I didnt expect much. He was the anchor of that great 2006 defense and could potentially be an elite NFL LB if he can continue to play like he has the past two seasons.
Fell Short: Obi Ezah. Another guy from my hometown of Grand Rapids, and wearing the same 45 that David Harris wore. After a good freshman year I really thought he would step it up and be another elite Michigan LB, clearly he has not done so. Lets all hope that he steps it up this year.
To be fair, I believe that if Obi were to read this thread you would fall short of his expecations in the "spelling his last name correctly" department.
Speaking of spelling... "expecations?"
Damn, my own medicine has a bitter aftertaste.
I actually think that Obi Ezeh will step up this year and be good, that said; he has been a dissapointment thusfar... but look at who recruited him, UM was battling off MAC teams for him.
I was going to put Ezeh in my "exceeded expectations group." To the OP above who said Obi has fallen short of his expectations, be honest and tell me what you expectations were of Obi coming out of high school (if you had even heard of him). He was barely a 3-star, and the lowest ranked player in his recruiting class. We battled the likes of EMU and WMU for his commitment, MSU didn't even offer, and he's a West Michigan kid.
If your expactations were anything beyond "special teams with the dream of mop up duty" you knew something not many others did. The fact he's a 3 year starter at this point (very likely a 4) who was at one point the leading tackler on the team, shows that he blew his expectaions out of the water. Is he the stud MLB we wish UM had right now? No. Is he David Harris? No. But to say he's fallen short of expectations is a bit silly, IMO.
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I didn't think Ezio Auditore could look anymore badass, untill I put the winged helmet on him
The one person that has exceeded my expectations was Craig Roh. Taylor Lewan could be one that could surprise many people this year.
Omameh. I'm an engineering student and I have no clue how anyone could major in engineering and play a varsity sport, much less do enough work outside of activities to earn a starting spot.
Mouton. Whenever I see him play, I notice his incredible burst and athleticism, but the guy just makes so many GODDAMNIT plays. I'm really hoping he goes nuts this year.
Fell short: Kevin Grady Exceeded: Gotta be Mike Hart. 5' 8"? What a fighter!
Exceeded: Although this may be premature, given he has only played one year, I'm going with Vincent Smith. He began last year behind Minor, Brown and Shaw and concluded the year by proving not only to be serviceable, but potentially a standout, All Conference performer.
Fell Short: Shawn Crable. A physical beast, but a knucklehead.
had one knucklehead play against OSU and that ruined his career and how you thought of him as a player.
that one play cost the best umich team since 97-98 a big ten crown, a chance to play for a national championship, and a win for bo the day after his death ...
in no way did crable fall short of my expectations, he was a beast and my 2nd favorite defender on a stacked defense ...
but that one unexcusable late hit still haunts me to this day
Umm, THE HORROR?
the play was objectionable at best. The following week I watched USC and UCLA and saw an SC player clearly knock the stuffing out of UCLA's quarterback out of bounds and heard Musburger fawn over the kid. The week before he talked about how bad of a play Crable's was when the hit by Crable was questionable at best. He hit Smith by OSU sideline, how often than not on a third down play by the teams sideline in a collge game not the pro's but college will the referee be influenced? I would say he was good player but not great I actually thought Prescott Burgess would be a terror at Michigan and if we can do two who didnt meet expectation how about Earnest Shazor? Above expectations I would go with Jason Avant. Turned himself into a decent pro with the Eagles.
what are your thoughts of UofM being in his final 2 with WVU? He is a WR out of Florida.
I wasn't expecting top 2 so he's definitely exceeded my expectations
The position I'm least concerned about is probably slot receiver. We have 6 on the roster (Odoms, Roundtree, Robinson, Gallon, Grady, Williamson), and most of them are pretty young. Holloway doesn't really blow me away, but he's the small, shifty type that eluded us this past year when Tony Drake went to Colorado State.
Either way, I think he'll pick WVU. So the point is probably moot.
EXCEEDED: Martavious Odoms. This kid was thrown in the water year one. Fumbled a lot, had no QB to give him a legit pass. Year two he turned it around and made some CLUTCH catches. I feel he will do very good things this year.
Middle on the verge of breakout: DC Stonum.
Fell Short. Boo Boo. What a tard.
"Boo Boo. What a tard."
Give the guy a break, I didn't like him, until he started playing through that nerve injury.. that's some nasty crap... besides, he's obviously fallen on some hard times.
but that's nobodys fault but his own.
It's his fault, and he's getting his just deserts, but calling him a tard is just rediculous, what does it accomplish?
And just because it's his fault doesn't mean I can't feel bad for the guy... he's a prime example of what can happen when you get mixed up in the wrong crowd, yea he deserves what he's gotten, but that doesn't mean you have to go around calling him a tard.
Exceeded - David Harris......never seen a guy improve more within his four years of eligibility.
Short - Gabe Watson.....he should have been unstoppable....I think he was a little too focused on driving his pimped out Hummer around campus.
Gabe Watson was a second or third round pick, who now starts in the NFL. He was a beast for us for a few years. Plus, he didn't get his Hummer until after his senior season had ended.
If "I wanted him to be the best player ever and win five Heismans, but instead he was just the best player at his position that we've had in the last 10 years and now starts for an NFL playoff team" is the guy who you think of when you think "fallen short of expectations" then we should have won more games recently.
by Chris Balas today on the Wolverine about Michigans Top 11 Defenders
"He is comparing Big Will to Gabe"
The 330-pounder is a load on the line capable of requiring double teams on every snap … when he wants to be. Time will tell whether he becomes a dominant Big Ten tackle or the next Gabe Watson
I agree with him, just because you are good is simply not enough when you have all the tools to be DOMINATE
Five....too many. Three? Yeah.
I mean, sorry for looking for more out of a guy who was constantly in Carr's doghouse for not giving a full effort in practice and game situations. He was suspended at least once if not more for basically not giving a crap. Weird that out of all these underachievers you would decide to argue in favor of one who was punished for blatantly underachieving.
Exceeded: Craig Roh - I thought he would be a scarecrow of a DE or a lumbering giant of an OLB.
Fallen Short: Kevin Grady - Explanation seems unnecessary.
Exceeded - John Navarre. I don't know how he highly he was regarded coming out of HS, but I was here for most of Navarre's time at UM, and the guy just kept winning even though most of the school and media thought he was a stiff and should be benched. I don't think people realize just how much crap he took as the starting QB in Ann Arbor, and all the while he performed admirably. Everyone knew he wasn't a stud, but he took some meh teams and kept them competitive.
Fell Short - Shantee Orr. You can't complain too much - he did play for some pro teams. But every year I was at UM, you heard about how Orr was going to have a breakout year. I just looked him up, and he was an absolutel beast in HS. To see him constantly flounder was disheartening.
exceeded: easily 3* rb mike hart.. he was small, and not to fast for his size, and had 5* max martin ahead of him in class, but came in and took over for his entire career
failed: during his um career he was a beast, he left after his junior yr. thinking he would be a high draft pick. he didnt even get drafted and never played on a nfl team, i believe if he stayed for his sr yr his whole life would be diffrent right now... Earnest Shazor! man i had high hopes for him
exceeded: Death Roh, I thought he would be a solid player after about two years, couldn't have been more wrong. Congrats to him and his family on a great freshman year. I thought that finding out he would start the first game was my favorite moment of the year last year. Then he came through all season long. Not too mention how Roh Sr. has spoken out for the program, true Michigan Men.
fell short: D. Warren, don't get me wrong, he was one of my favorite players last year. I just wished he would have had a better draft. I think he will have a solid career in the pros.
I agree with the fell short, but for an entirely different reason. He didn't get drafted for a combination of reasons- slow 40, 12 benches (work ethic), and quite frankly he didn't have the type of college career you would expect out of one of the highest rated CB in the country his senior year in HS.
His most memorable moment last year was probably the pick 6 against Iowa and that was just an awful pass by Stanzi. DW never developed into the shutdown corner I expected him to be after a very successful freshman season.
Overachiever- Tom Brady. Wasn't thought of much as a stud QB coming out of HS. He managed to keep the highly regard Drew Henson from starting and led M to some great victories. What he has done in the NFL is just gravy.
Exceeded: Roy Roundtree, thought he was going to be a solid to low level contributor due to the bodies at the position but he arguably is our best weapon on offense this season.
Fallen short: D. Stonum, I thought with his speed and size he was going to be the next Braylon. Although he has shown flashes it seems as if in any given game he drops as many passes as he catches.
Even though referring to Sheridan in that way displays an exceeding amount of callousness and ignorance, what part of
I'm not looking for anyone to bash any players
dont you understand?
People around here generally respect Sheridan as a person, as a Michigan man, and understand that it was the lack fit between him and the system that caused our DEATH. Folks have generally chosen to abandon that nickname for him after it became clear all he did for this program (e.g., unselfishly mentoring Tate and Denard last year).
+1 for the apology - a lot of new guys would have went on the defensive. Nicely done.
was a walk on. How could he possibly even be considered for this category. For Nick's sake lets just remember him for the Minnesota game in 2008 and the fact that he did all he could for us during his playing career. Hopefully, his time spent on the field in AA makes him a better coach.
I agree w/ the talent being there thats why i feel he has fallen short of expectations. I still feel Stonum has time to turn it around for his career but so far i expected him to be more of a top flight big ten receiver than he has. Plus Tate's scrambling and lack of QB play in yr. one hasn't hurt Tay Odoms productivity.
I agree, the talent is there, just need to throw at him more. Kid is amazing.
Many have exceeded but one that I had little expectations for was mike Hart. He ment everything to the offense and I am so glad I got to see him play.
Fell short is the whole 2006 team. I can not think of a team so stockpiled with talent and fell just short against Ohio State then pretty much didn't show up against USC.
They were the best team in the country and have nothing to show for it.
They were the best team in the country and have nothing to show for it.
The reason they have nothing to show for it is because they weren't the best team in the country. As you pointed out in your post, they weren't as good as OSU or USC. Those things are obviously contradictory.
Forgot a huge bust.
But that's what he'll be, forgotten.
Exceeded- David Molk, though injured his presence was sorely missed.
Fallen (Way) Short: Justin Boren
Exceeded: Roh - I could have never guessed he would have turned out so good so early. the next couple of years should be great for him.
Fell short: Rountree. Literally. Against Illinois. At the 1-yard line. I keed, I keed. I love me some Roundtree. In all seriousness, a tie between Minor Rage and Carlos Brown. And for the same reasons - not because of athleticism or ability. Because being injury-prone sucks.
Exceeded: Mike Hart, Roy Roundtree, Braylon Edwards.
Fell Short: Kevin Grady, Prescott Burgess, Pierre Woods, Boubacar Cissoko.
exceeded: Charles Woodson. After his freshman year I knew he was going to be good. But never in my wildest dreams did I (then) think he would win a Heisman trophy.
Fallen short: I second me's nomination of Cato June.
Exceeded: David Cone. I never thought he would do much, but his rapping skills and dope acting have shown me to never doubt him. Not to mention that spring game...
Fell Short: the Freep.
Oh, forgot one:
Fell Short (as a human being): Justin Boren.
exceed: Glad to see Mike Cox doing well, hope it translates on the field in sept.
Fell short: without listing the givens who left the team, J.B. Fitzgerald has not lived up to his HS hype
Exceeded: Jordan Kovacs. Nuff said.
Fell Short: Obviously still way early and the kid hasn't even played but Justin Turner has fallen short of the unrealistic expectations i had for him. Still time though.
Exceeded: J. Kovacs, kid was a walk-on and started ahead of a couple scholarship starters. He was not great by any means but played his ass off and gave more effort than anyone not named Brandon. He can start for the next 3 years and I will be his biggest supporter.
Fell Short: D. Warren just for the opposite reasons I picked Kovacs. Had all the talent, but just seemed lazy at times and possibly one of the players that didn't "buy in" to Rodriquez. He was expected to be a shut-down corner and towards the end of the last year teams started to pick on him and stay away from Woolfolk.
I expected Craig Roh to literally tear a man's limbs from his body at some point this year. I was severely disappointed.
I can't believe we're 32 comments in and no one has said this...EDIT: wlvrine beat me to it
Exceeded: Charles Woodson. This was still before the time of Rivals, Scout, and 24/7/365 coverage of 17 year olds so even if someone was a sought after recruit, no one really knew about it.
Fallen: Boo Boo. While I never thought he shouldve been a 5 star recruit in the first place, he still was a major disappointment.
Woodson was absolutely a beast of a recruit and he came in with a TON of hype. I mean, yeah, even then, he definitely exceeded it. But there were still recruiting services around back then, and Woodson was a stud coming out of HS.
I was going on 10 years old during his freshman year so I obviously wouldn't know anything about that hype. Just curious, I know that Rivals started in 2001, so what are these other services and when were they launched?
He was also the number one rated RB in the state of Ohio his senior year of HS.
Exceeded: Tom Brady, I was in Drew Henson's camp from the beginning and never really gave Brady a chance. Alabama game says it all.
Fell Short: Kevin Grady, I was extremely excited for him coming after what he did in high school only to fall short his whole career.
I couldn't figure out why they weren't starting Henson. Whose this Brady guy?
Fell Short - Grady, definitely.
True story - I once saw Grady fumble a pizza.
Well there is David Bowens, Jon Ritchie, Fargas who all went on to play pro ball but didn't finish @ UM.
There is June, Burgess, Butterfield, Grady Brooks, Shazor, Watson, Massey, Rasheed Simmons, and I'll say Schilling as well although he isn't done. These guys were all 4-5 star guys who never really lived up to 5 star status. Sazor and Watson for sure had their moments but I was always expecting more. Hell Branch could go there as well and Mouton although he went through different coaches and positions.
Exceeded - Hart is the ultimate. It's hard because I've followed recruiting for such a long time, getting The Wolverine paper delivered even before I had internet access. Michigan always recruited so well and there was so much hype for most of the players in the class. D Jones was one here. I believe he had some injury which cost him his Sr yr and camps and such and was I think one of the last players to sign that year. He was an incredible LB for Michigan. Andre Weathers was a good story and really did well opposite of Woodson. Roundtree for sure is one who has exceeded so far. There could be alot to add to this list after this year.
Exceeded: Mike Hart.
Fell short: Matt Gutierrez. Obviously he got hurt and Henne never gave him a chance to get the job back, but I had high hopes coming into 2004. Surprised no one has mentioned him yet.
Exceeded - Braylon Edwards. I don't remember how much hype he had, only that he hadn't played football for very long before destroying every corner and safety in his path. I do remember scout giving him the usual unknown 3-star rating
Fail - I'd roll with Gabe Watson or Kevin Grady
Drew Henson disappointed in a way, but only because he left. I can't blame him for following his pro baseball dream. I remember reading his dream was to play 3rd for the Yankees. I wish he would have really given football his best shot.
Tom Brady and Mike Hart are the obvious candidates for exceeded expectations.
Fell short: Greg Mathews. His senior year, I really expected him to approach 1000 yards recieving, yet for whatever reason, the QBs had difficulty getting him the ball. That's partly because they were freshman, yet he seemed to make less and less plays as the year went on.
Exceeded: Brandon Graham. There are five star recruits, and there are five star recruits that live up to their hype.
But never have I seen a guy with the raw talent of a future 1st rounder combined with the grittiness and pure fire of , say, Michael Hart. He simply produced game in and game out. Michigan's next future Hall of Famer in my opinion.
was a 7 star in my book, and he still exceeded expectations
I have a hard time agreeing that Mathews fell that far short of expectations, when you pointed out the reason (freshman quarterbacks) in your post. Expecting a 1,000-yard receiver in a run-heavy offense with freshman quarterbacks was a bad idea in the first place.
Fell short: Stevie Brown. Going into his sophomore year (also my sophomore year) I thought he was going to be tremendous. Up until that point he was a great playmaker on special teams, and based on recruiting hype and measurables I figured that he was going to be a stud. Although he finally put it together his senior season after a much-needed position switch, he never panned out as a safety despite the number of games that he started.
Exceeded: Kevin Koger. If I remember correctly, he came in as a DE (or at least as a DE/TE), and I figured he was destined for a redshirt with all of the older guys in front of him on the depth chart. Instead, he ended up as a full-time TE, a freshman starter, and one of the best players on our offense.
Stevie Brown exceeded expectations because after his first 3 years nobody expected him to do anything but came out and one was one the better players Michigan had last year. You also can't discount the loyalty and pride he showed last year after getting bashed the previous year, making the position shift, and not laying down like some of his other teammates.
Indeed -- as far as his senior year goes, I agree. But I was comparing his performance to my expectations coming into his sophomore year, when I expected him to be a solid three-year starter at safety and eventual All-Big 10.
I'm sure that nobody could have predicted the exact nature of his roller coaster of a career, but I'm glad that it finished with some great play as a senior and an eventual selection in the draft.
+1 on Stevie B. I'm a big fan, he stood tall after a tough year and came out with a solid last year, and got drafted to boot, if i remember correctly.
Koger was pretty much a TE from the beginning. Some message board posters wondered if he was going to be a DE, but that was all just speculation, AFAIK. He did play DE in high school, but then again, so did John Navarre...
Exceeded: Hart and Edwards.
Fell Short: Cissoko and Kevin Grady. I hope Turner turns things around, because he could end up here as well.
Exceeded: Graham, Woodley, Hart, and Manningham (plenty more, but I'm going from since I started watching UM football, which was in like 2002, 2003-ish)
Fell Short: Threet, Grady, A-Air, Witherspoon, Cissoko, Grady (both of them really, although, Kelvin to a much lesser extent), DWarren (Prolly could've done with another year... lol)
I'm surprised at the number of people who have said that Craig Roh has exceeded their expectations. I really thought all (well, most) Michigan fans thought he was going to be good in the first place.
I would say that winning a starting job as a true freshman is usually above most fans' expectations for almost all players, outside of those who are extremely highly-touted 5-star types or who come in at positions of extreme need. At least that's how I look at it.
I can see that, I guess. Not many people would expect him to be a starter as a freshman, even if they did think he would be good at some point.
I think we all thought that he would be good, but I remember people saying he needed a few years to add weight, etc. Glad we were wrong.
Exceeded: Zoltan Mesko, Patrick Omameh,
Fell Short: Drew Henson, Terrence Robinson
Fell Short - Nick Sheridan. Not kidding - when I heard he was going to start, I figured that maybe this could be one of those inspirational stories about the scrappy kid with a dream who refuses to give up and somehow ends up starting at the school of his dreams, and have a succcessful season ending with him being carried off the field by his teammates and possbly even getting the hot girl. Damn you, eighties movies, for setting my expectations unreasonably high.
Exceeded: Hart, David Harris, Jake Long, Morgan Trent (I thought he did well and my expectations were not insane), Mesko
Short: Shazor, Scott McIntosh, Baraka, Gabe Watson, Kevin Grady, Jeremy van Alstyne (remember we heard so many rumblings about him tearing it up in the offseason), Jeremy Jackson, Jim Presley (sucks he left), Max Martin, Massey, Eugene Germany, Carlos Brown...
Jeremy Jackson? Really?
Maybe he meant Jerome Jackson?
Ha, yeah, sorry, meant Jerome
didn't catch enough balls in the spring game?
Who is Scott McIntosh? Do you mean Scott McClintock, or am I just dense?
His dancing at prom was really poor.
Exceeds - Kovacs
Falling Short - Patterson
Exceeds - Lytle
Fell Short - Whitley
I am by no means calling you out, but I'm curious if anyone on mgoboard had ANY expectations for Kovacs. Hell, I had no idea who the guy was until I saw him on the field.
I think a walk-on cracking the starting lineup at Michigan means he instantly exceeded expectations.
as a sophomore!!!...admittedly preseason honors don't mean much. He is a legacy so there was some expectation but to see him crash and stuff the run (except Darius Willis of course...) it was above and beyond.
Given the weaknesses I have to say I'm surprised Van Slyke didn't play some more...
EDIT:Make that 4th Team B10...Behind Sukay, Sash and and Jay Vallai...I used to remember stuff...
Fell Short: Steve Schilling, Donovan Warren, Tim Jamison, Eugene Germany, Carlos Brown, LaTerryal Savoy, Brandon Moore, Terrence Robinsonm, JB Fitzgerald
I realize some of this guys careers are incomplete and some were actually pretty good and started multiple years, but nonetheless these are guys I pegged as stars who didn't quite get there.
Exceeded: David Moosman, Perry Dorrestein, Troy Woolfolk ( I still think hes underrated), Reuben Riley, Tate Forcier (i knew he'd be good right away, but on the whole and removed from constant nitpicking his every flaw, he was amazing for a true freshman qb - His qb rating of 128 was only 4 below Henne's freshman mark who was universally praised and had the bilentnikoff winner)
You listed a lot of guys who you say have fallen short, and although about half of them haven't gotten to the point in their careers where you'd expect them to do anything yet, I will strongly disagree with Schilling. Yes, he was a 5-star, you if you're in the camp that every 5-star should be All-American by their junior year, then I suppose he's fallen short. But Schilling will be a 4-year starter on the OL, sometimes asked to play OT when his natural position is OG, and at many times been the best player on the OL. He's not Jake Long, but he's been the only lineman since Jake who we knew had secured his spot every week and didn't struggle with injuries.
Molk has certainly shined when he's in, but Schilling will have been the anchor for our OL for 3 full years, and if he has the senior he should will be an NFL draft pick. Even for a 5-star, that's not falling short of expectations.
I wasn't arguing that he wasn't good. He has been a solid starter for us and I am appreciative of that fact and the work he has put in. The question, however, was based on expectation. I don't think all 5 stars will pan out and in fact, try to reserve my optimism before seeing guys play. I just knew he was touted for his mobility and I thought he was a smart kid with a great recruiting profile and had star potential. He obviously hasnt reached that.
And I think we are nearing the point with Moore and especially JBFitz were if they were to contribute in any meaningful way, that would be seen as a bonus at this point. Not exactly what we were hoping for. TRob, especially is too young to write off and I wasn't doing that, just more or less stating that I haven't seen too much to think he'll crack the stacked slot rotation very often.
this year will be epic for him and the NFL awaits.
Exceeded: Roy Roundtree
Fell Short: Greg Mathews
Exceeded: Mike Cox. There is NO DOUBT Mike Cox has exceeded expectations.
Fell Short: Devin Gardner. That guy was supposed to be the top QB? And what he hasn't done CRAP since.
Let's hope Mike Cox will exceed all expectations and bust loose all over Ohio this November.
one has mentioned:
In the class with Mike Hart, Mike Hart was supposed to be the career back-up to.....
His offer list:
He was supposed to be "the man" out of high school and got completely showed up by Mike Hart.
In the few games Max Martin played in he looked ok too (when he didn't fumble), but then he transferred to like Alabama A&M and barely ever played there. I really thought Max Martin was going to be really good. Oh well I guess, because Mike Hart seemed to do OK for himself.
Exceeded- Roundtree and Kovacs
Fell Short- 2009 Pass Blocking
Even in watching the early games last year, it was amazing to see how often Tate had to make something out of nothing. I wonder how much of their pass protection woes have to do with talent and how much of it is coaching (not meant as an insult to the staff).
Exceeded - Odoms
Fell short - D. Warren, C. Brown
Exceeded: Anthony Carter. The beginning of the Florida pipeline. Seriously, who really expected him to score in so many incredible ways, and average 17+ yards every touch coming into a run-focused attack?
Fell Short: Recently, probably Booboo. He had some pretty good hype out of high school, and just completely fell apart.
Will exceed - Patrick Omameh. Down the road, this kid is going to be a force to be reckoned with IMO.
Under used - - Steve Breason (Stonum is in danger of the same thing) Simply put, I think he should have had much bigger WR stats.
Exceeded - DHarris, Mike Hart, Roy Roundtree, Odoms,
Fallen short - Carson Butler, Shawn Crable, Prescott Burgess, Gabe Watson
Breaston's stats probably would have been better . . . if he knew how to catch the damn ball.
I think you're right to a degree.. but a the same time I don't think he just learned how to catch the ball when he came to the NFL and became a damn good NFL WR.
Here are a couple from while I was an undergrad ('93-'96):
Exceeded expectations: Aaron Shea--arguably the best fullback Michigan has had in the post-Bo era
Disappointment: David Bowens--incredible talent (as later shown by his success in the NFL), but couldn't meet the off-field expectations; imagine the '97 defense with him on it!
exceeded expectations - Stevie Brown, after several years as the goat of the secondary was one of the better players last season.
disappointed - David Underwood, never could break through, injuries too. Mister Simpson. Adrian Arrington. Carl Tabb, Ronald Bellamy.
Kevin Koger will go on one of these lists after this year, hopefully not the latter. I expect him to be on the disappoint list, so having a decent season will ensure he exceeds my expectations.
pleasant surprise: Roy Roundtree
Disappointment: Mike Williams- think he was a 4 star recruit and he has simply "peed down his leg" when given the opportunity.
He was only a redshirt sophomore last year. Maybe we should reserve judgment for now...
I 100% agree with this, which makes me wonder why you created this thread. We're a team that's started tons of freshmen and sophomores for the past few years. Who can we possibly term a "disappointment". So now we get people saying Justin Turner is disappointing because...he redshirted his freshman year?
Well, you'll notice that I didn't limit the conversation to current players. They could be players from the '90s or the '80s or the 1930s. It was the above poster's choice to declare that a redshirt sophomore has failed to meet expectations...
true...but I don't think it will be difficult for him to find playing time to 'prove himself".
Fell Short: RBs: Max Martin, Jerome Jackson (I saw him play in high school and thought he would be ungodly, I was a kid though, so seeing what he did automatically translated to him doing the same in college, so my expectations may have been a little high), Darnell Hood, Pierre Rembert
Exceeded: Jake Long (understand he was a 4-star, but he turned out to be a monster), Mike Hart (probably why many of those RBs fell short), and Braylon
I think Carson Butler can go on both lists too. No one expected much out of him, and under the Carr era he was a great pass catching TE, but also the worst blocker ever to exist in our universe (ok, maybe a slight exaggeration). His head was never on his shoulders either, so for the athletic talent he seemed to have, he exceeded his 3-star DE expectations, but fell short of expectations once you saw him at TE.
Also surprised no one has said Sam McGuffie. I didn't personally have huge expectations for him (I liked Shaw's future more), but a lot of people were thinking Heisman was in his future. I know things just didn't work out injury-wise, but I'm still surprised no one has mentioned him as their own fell short, just because expectations were so high for him by so many people
Exceeded: Mike Hart.
Fell way short: Kevin Grady. I had high hopes for him. He looked really good at the beginning of the 2006 season and then got injured. Everything went downhill after that first injury.
Exceeded: I'm not really sure. Prior to 2007, I had no idea who anyone was before they started playing at Michigan, so I really didn't have expectations as to their production.
Post 2007, this is easy: Jordan Kovacs, Kevin Leach, Will Heininger, Nick Sheridan, and the walk-ons who have put their butts on the line and played to the best of their abilities, despite often attracting the scorn and ridicule of MGoBoard posters with 1/100th of their athletic ability.
Fallen short: Campbell, Emilien, Turner, Gallon, and the rest of the true freshmen who didn't start and dominate last year?
Seriously. All the guys at Michigan (and around college football in general) are all supreme athletes and work their tails off. Injuries and circumstance have a lot to do with success and failure in sport. If they try their best, I'm pretty sure none of us are in any position to criticize what happens to them.
Exceeded: Hart - 'nuff said.
Fell short: Dorsey - Hard to live up to the hype when you don't even make it on campus.
I'm giving this thread a pink slip.
Exceeded- Martavious Odoms. He's my favorite player on the team, so I'm biased. I just love his all-around game.
Fell short- Jonas Mouton. I expected a lot from him. I thought he'd be all-Big 10 by the end of last year or, at the very least, an average starter.
Jim Herman....2005, why did he have Branch at de and massey at dt? wth was he thinking?
Ron Lee..... db coach 2006, biggest disaster hire ever....well next to special teams coach hired in 2003....but still
I think this is unfair for players that are still on the team. There is still a chance for them to exceed expectations, or fall short for that matter. That being said, a couple that haven't been mentioned.
Exceeded-the 1997 team. I had no idea they could be that dominant, especially on defense. And I was sure Griese would be a disaster. Boy was I pleasantly surprised.
Fell short-Brandon Smith. Thought he was going to be a great safety for us but could barely get on the field as a linebacker, then transferred so he won't ever meet expectations, at least in maize and blue.
Exceeded: Tacopants. Unfortunately. Actually, I'll go with Kelvin Grady. I didn't really expect to see him play much at all, and he had a pretty solid season, I thought, in a full position.
Falling short: Mike Williams. Like it's been said, he had high star rankings, but nothing has happened yet.
Fell short: Chad Henne. Not in most ways. Not at all. But really, considering how good that kid was, would you have ever thought in a million years he wouldn't lead us to at least ONE victory over the Buckeyes as a four year starter?
Yeah man, screw Henne for not winning on the road as a freshman in 2004 and giving up 38 points.
Yeah man, screw Henne in 2005 for playing prevent defense and calling run run draw punt in the 4th while blowing a 11 point lead.
Yeah man, screw Henne in 2006 for putting up 38 points and still losing, or for the turf, or for Crable having brain lapses.
Yeah man, screw Henne in 2007 for the doctor that fucked up his cortisone shot, left him playing with a dead shoulder and not having any semblance of pass protection.
Because this thread is about players you hate or think were bad. Not about players who you expected something from that never happened.
I do'nt put expectations of winning or losing on any one player's shoulders. It's a team game.