steve smith (carolina) is listed as 5'9, you saying he should also be confined to only the slot?
fair point that
steve smith (carolina) is listed as 5'9, you saying he should also be confined to only the slot?
Touche, but Steve Smith can fly and I don't think we've seen that yet from Odoms.
I've heard that Hemingway has had some mental errors. They might be looking to get the best 3 receivers on the field while keeping Roundtree in the slot where he has excelled.
with the bevy of quick passes and WR screens we do, having odoms with room to work ain't a bad idea.
He did best DRob in the 40 earlier int he year by .01 if I remember correctly. But then again DRob said he was just comming off of being sick. But still, he's not slow by any means.
He won the team's fastest man competition in the spring, sooooo false.
I read that as well, but it seems hard to believe. He doesn't really strike me as a burner - more of a guy who's shifty after the catch.
Odoms was the player that passed Shaw from behind to lay a sick block when Shaw broke free in the Minnesota game two years ago.
Odoms is a burner.
Odoms has struggled with alot of the duties ours slots have such as making something out of the bubble screen/quick pass. Where Tae has excelled is drag routes and deep routes...or anything where he can get open against zone. WR makes sense for Odoms, maybe not every down but I like him outside more.
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What is it about the defense that has you so optimistic? Does that optimism spread to the whole secondary?
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Is that what they're calling Lucky Charms now?
Wow I am really glad i clicked on this post.
And that mascot comparison has to be the funniest thing i've heard in a while.
Keep it up FW, it's appreciated.
There's comedic gold at the end of that rainbow. +1 to you, sir.
I, for one, am rooting for fitz to win the starting job. i think he is the most complete back and its good to hear he is getting some looks
For me, it's just that how badly must Obi be playing? No improvement? I just figured he'd have gotten the message last year. But hey, if Moundros is really a better option, then he's really a better option and the coaches will start him.
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Oh wow. Thank you for the insight sir, it is much appreciated.
You WILL be going to practice every day and reporting back here, right? :)
A. Assuming that our record will be the same regardless of which three QBs start:
B. How have we looked defending the pass, specifically vertical seams and the curl/flat?
C. Outside of the starters (Woolfolk, Floyd, C. Gordon) who looks good in the secondary?
D. Who looks good at spur/bandit? How long before M. Robinson and Furman are ready?
E. Who shot JFK?
I will have a very hard time accepting walk-ons starting in front of scholarship players. We're going into year three of the Rodriguez era; walk-ons should not be starting.
I'm starting to wonder whether RR's choice of starters is based more on the effort a player puts forth in practice than on the talent a player possesses. If that's really the case, RR's costing the team wins and shooting himself in the foot at the same time.
You know how stupid that sounds? Are you saying RR wants to lose? Fail.
Do you seriously think Rodriguez is just giving A's for effort? You don't think he's trying to put his best players on the field? Kovacs isn't a charity case. He's our leading returning tackler, and was a Freshman All-American last year. He was much more effective last year than the 4-star he replaced (Mike WIlliams). Go watch the MSU game, in which he made seventeen tackles, and tell me he was just out there because he was a go-getter who ran hard in practice.
Besides, walk-ons started under Carr (ever heard of Brian Griese?), and under Moehler, and under Bo, and probably under Crisler and Yost.
I suggest you read Misopogon's diary post on Turner's departure for more in depth discussion of the issue.
In any case, I think there is some evidence that RR seems to care more about effort in practice than actual talent on the field. Just look at what he has said about who gets playing time; his quotes have been along the lines of "such and such activity is voluntary...but so is playing time." And ask yourself this: how can a program in its THIRD YEAR under the same coach be starting walk-ons at key positions? How can the same program potentially be starting a walk-on fullback at linebacker? Unless the answer to both questions is that effort is more valued than talent, then It just doesn't make sense.
Apparently you have never been on a football team. The players that play are the ones that are most prepared to play on Saturday. Are you saying that because Mike Williams runs faster than Kovacs that he should play even though (this is strictly an example) he doesn't diagnose plays as well. is not in good as shape, doesn't remember the plays etc...
You really just want RR to get the best talent possible and then coddle them and give them what they want so they don't leave?
Misopogan has done some great work but that wasn't one of them. Saban, Meyer, Carroll and the rest would absolutely not allow anyone on the field that did not show it in practice, workouts, film. Their rosters are filled with 4 and 5 stars on the bench or transferred out, because they didn't put in the work to get on the field. The modern coach is pretty lock step in fostering a sense of competition in practice that does not allow anyone to slack.
This is straight out of the Bo Schembechler book. The story of Jeff George is exactly what you are talking about. George was a punk with a great arm....Bo passed on him to get Harbaugh because he was a leader and had guts. You are saying you want the big arm with no heart over guts. Those teams never win the title.
With the growth of places like scout and rivals, the star rating is overtaking the general fan's view of talent. While scout and rivals are great to point people in the right direction in terms of who COULD succeed on the college level, it is by no means a definite conclusion. Just because a player does not have a favorable star rating (or lack of one) does not mean he's terrible, or a waste of space on the college level; that's why coaches from each school scout players on there own.
BTW: I'm pretty sure Kovacs is on scholarship now.
I have to say you’re right about the star rating not necessarily being a predictor to how an athlete performs on the collegiate level. This is especially true when it comes to Rodriguez and his stint at WVU. After all, he won some big time games with players who proved to outperform their less than stellar rivals/scout ratings.
For example, some of his notable WVU recruits ratings as follows:
Chris Henry 2* WR
Adam Jones 2* DB
Pat White 3* ATH
Steve Slaton 3* ATH
Just to name a few.
I’m sure this has been discussed on this board before, but RR’s record of success with lower rated athletes is undeniable. There is no reason to think he won’t be able to achieve similar results here considering he can get the most out of his players.
From what I’m reading, it seems like he has this team really motivated. I for one am excited to see the product unveiled in 3 weeks. This is truly an exciting time to be a Wolverines fan.
Take a look at Nebraska. A tradition of walk-ons starting.
This is easy to answer, because you set up a straw man and overlook the obvious. You suggest that RR can either value talent or effort.
How about this: Maybe he values football playing ability.
Talent is one component in that, but so is effort, so is intelligence... If a less talented player is a BETTER FOOTBALL PLAYER you better bet he should play, even if he is a "walk-on."
I walked on at Michigan (not football) and beat out scholly guys in my sport. I was less talented, but better. It happens... a lot.
The phrase "some workouts are voluntary, but so is playing time" isn't a RichRod thing. It's one of the most widespread expressions in sports. It expresses the notion that to succeed, even the most talented athletes have to put in the work to be ready.
Talent only goes so far. Obi Ezeh is as physically talented as anyone on the team, but we saw time and again last year that talent only helps if a player knows where to be and what to do when he gets there. Sure there are more physically talented Bandits, but Kovacs is the one who gets himself into position to make plays, so why the hell shouldn't he play? Just because he wasn't recruited? Dude is here now, and made 76 tackles as a freshman... let him hit some people.
A singer can have a glorious voice, but if she skips rehearsal and screws up the song in performance, who cares how pretty the voice is if it's in the wrong place with the wrong notes? Even though a ballerina has the most grace and charisma in her company, if she skips rehearsal and gets the timing wrong on the leap into her prince's arms, she crashes, probably injures herself (and maybe the poor prince), and the ballet comes crashing down around her. And if she skips her practice time at the barre, more chance she'll tear some connective tissue, making her completely useless to the team. Talent is as talent does. And sometimes (often) true talent doesn't come out until the background work has been done to allow it to show.
Sequeing to RR's mentions about simplifying to reduce the need to think. True talent comes out when you can act on instinct. The thinking and working comes in practice, so that once on stage you can react instinctively. He wants his guys to bring the instinct back. He'll add the more complicated stuff gradually, when they have time to thoroughly rehearse, make it subconscious, and then instinctively let loose the passion and speed once the play begins.
EDIT: Meant as reply to Lumberjack way way above. Agree with South Bend right above, though expressed differently.
thanks for the report!
FormerWolv...how crisp is MM's tackling? He should understand things at the ILB spot pretty well from having played a postion directly opposite for several years...so if he's picking up the D and getting to the right spots, my only concern is his tackling.....any problem?
I've posted all what I currently know and feel comfortable with relaying to you. Until next time...
We all look forward to it!
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it has happened. Ever hear of Henry Hill? Started with the 1968 team as a fourth-string walk-on at 5-10 and 200 lbs. By the end of his senior year in 1970, he was second-team All-America at middle guard. Recorded thirteen tackles against OSU in the '69 game.
Surely you're not going to tell us that Bo would rather lose with a practice gamer than a more talented guy.
Wanted to get your thoughts on this statement from Brent Yarina in his recap of Michigan's practice
"This defense will struggle against teams like Iowa and Wisconsin," Gerry DiNardo said. "They're better against the spread than they are against down-the-hill teams."
That could be bad news, with strong running teams such as Illinois, Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin all on the 2010 schedule.
Everything I've read makes it sound like this is a much more physical team and while the depth issue is obvious it sounds like we're better of this year. What are your thoughts on the ability of the 3-3-5 they're playing to stop the run and the D's ability to match up in the B10? Thanks.
hard to form a good opinion when they had their first full pads practice yesterday, but obviously yarina can.
but it doesnt surprise me if they are better against the spread since they scrimmage against one...
I guess I'm just not familiar with the responsibilities in their 3-3-5 (I always played in a 4-3) and thought you might have some info into how it matches against the run. I suppose as long as guys can play downhill they will be fine regardless of the type of D. Anyway, thanks for the info you were able to provide.
How did the placekickers look?
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