What's with the moar? And apparently the jerbs and corches?
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
What's with the moar? And apparently the jerbs and corches?
By merely asking this question the OP has set back our kicking game
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Hagerup looked good taking kickoffs against Purdue, and he's 4th or 5th in the Big 10 in Net Punting.
I don't know if it is the camera angle or his technique, but it almost always looks like a shank coming off his foot. It makes me nervous for a split second then I realize that it was a nice punt.
The Purdue game had some crazy angles. Might be the stadium structure, but I had a hard time watching that game. Getting dizzy and shit.
they reported that the weather was far worse than it appeared on TV, that not only was it pouring but terribly windy. So even more kudos for the success of the punts, no matter how ugly.
PS: Now that the soccer team won the Big Ten championship, do you think the guys will have any free time to help out with the kicking?
Season's still not quite over for them though. There's that pesky NCAA tournament that they have a spot in. That starts either Thursday or this weekend depending on if they get a bye or not.
so let's see... the bowl game?
I don't mind the soccer team losing IF it ends up helping out the football team. It'd be pretty cool to have a brand-new kicker for the OSU game. (Or, more likely, maybe they can at least offer Broekhuizen/Gibbons some tips on technique.)
Seriously? Who are you to tell Justin Meram what sport to play? I'm assuming he loves soccer much more than football, and is enjoying being an important part of the Big Ten Champion soccer team.
Plus, there's no guarantee he would be any less frustrating than Broekhuizen/Gibbons. I don't think he was the clear winner coming out of camp.
He can play whatever he wants. But speaking for myself, I care more about football success than soccer success. If the soccer team losing can help the football team beat OSU, I'll take it. And honestly, so would most fans.
and yea the weather was terrible, much worse than on tv when i watched afterwards. it was downpouring at times and it was gusting winds like 15-25 mph. as much as i'd like to blame the weather on our offensive troubles some blame still falls on the team. all in all wins a win
There were a couple times when he kicked it, and I was like "Aww hell...wait...that was actually a good kick!"
There was one in particular that looked like a low, short, fast down field roller that went quite far and had coverage guys down there by the time it arrived.
I think someone had commented on the camera placements at Purdue being quite shitty. I cannot recall if this was in a thread or the liveblog, but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that Purdue offers rather lousy options for camera placement.
Or, I could totally be making this up.
Yeah, I noticed this too. It really threw me off all game. It seemed like the central camera placement was on like the 30 yard line, which was just weird and created an odd viewing angle all game long.
Soft Edge. Non-Felon Instincts.
I heard he dropped the rope too.
Is it possible they could be trying to get a Redshirt for Gibbons?
He redshirted last year.
EDIT-Magnus beat me to it, so here's a picture of 80's WWF superstar Tito Santana
Are those the same red wrist bands Rich wears? FIRE HIM!!!11!1!!
He ain't in the Big East/WCW Anymoar!!!
It's hard to see him getting invited back for a fifth year unless he really turns things around. Hopefully this is the year where he is needed the most.
prolly get him a white t-shirt stained red from the players blood Barwis is training for HARD EDGE week.
Nothing really. I'm just at work. Working on an excel project. Wish it wasn't Monday, but other than that, I am doing alright.
The fact that the coaches are biting the bulett and recruiting kickers this year says it all. Next year either Dan Grochowski or Michael Branthover will be our kicker. With Matt Goudis as a darkhorse candiate.
What's up with awesomely named kickers?
the foot flu.
Recall that Gibbons is not a walk-on. He is a scholarship guy who graded highly (from ESPN):
Gibbons is a very consistent place kicker. He gets into his field goals quickly and has smooth tempo. Powerful leg and has kicked several field goals over 40 yards including a 52 yarder. Kickoffs average about 5 yards deep with good hang of about 4.0 seconds. Footwork isn't quite as fluid as field goals. Punting is above average and is solid under the rush. His drop, leg extension, and steps need worked on as a punter; but is a very good place kicker and kickoff man.
Also most college programs including Michigan don't have a coach who specializes in kicking or punting, so these guys are largely on their own, i.e., they don't get "coached up" on the fundamentals.
So we have a player who came in highly rated, redshirted his freshman year, started and subsequently struggled this year before being replaced by the now two-headed kicker (Broekhuizen / Hagerup).
So any real information or reasonable speculation on how this plays out? Knowing that kicking issues are often psychological in nature, I would hope he could work on this over the off season and come back ready to contribute solidly next year. Either way, as has been repeatedly stated on this board and elsewhere, we should recruit another kicker.
Seth shouldn't even be trusted for extra points. Gibbons was one of if not the best kicker in the nation. What happened?
Broekhuizen is 42 of 43 on extra points this year, and the one miss was in the miserable conditions at Purdue. Even on field goals, his shortest miss has been from 38. He isn't bad on short kicks.
Why don't you try booting a football through uprights in front of 110,000 as a 19-year-old and see how easy it is? Some people just can't handle 220,000 eyes watching them. I know I couldn't.
very confused by the 220,000 eyes....until I did the math.
Cyclopes love UM, too.
No! Man (coverage) is an island.
I think you're making a huge assumption here... I haven't been able to keep my eyes open for a FGA all season, it's just easier not to watch.
I agree with you that Gibbons should get another shot. Against UConn, he went 1/2, and the one he missed was perfectly straight on but directly into a stiff wind. Against ND, both misses were from about 40 yards out, on the road in a hostile environment in pressure situations, and were pretty close compared to some of the absolute shanks that Broekhuizen has had.
The dude is only a rFr. and it seems like we are throwing him away without giving him enough of an opportunity. If guys like Gallon can go out week after week and consistently make mistakes, then why shouldn't Gibbons get a another chance?
articles on ann arbor.com - he said that the competition is open but that Broekhuizen has been "clearly" better in practice.
So was Ezeh. Just sayin'
some guys might just be gamers (not that he has shown anything yet this year)
he's got a few years to figure it out. he's still on scholarship. a pray RR doesn't go the saban route and find a medical schollie for him (psychological issues?).
it looks like another schollie will have to be used on a kicker. it's up to gibbons to beat out the newcomer. it's on nobody else.
To all those saying that they should give Gibbons another chance, they are doing exactly that. Rothstein discussed that at the end of his notebook (http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/sloppy-field-conditions-big-p...).
Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez said after the game redshirt freshman Brendan Gibbons, who is on scholarship, might receive another chance to win the job.
“Probably,” Rodriguez said. “It’s just again a disappointing day. They’ve been kicking great in practice, but struggled all year.
“But (Seth is) clearly the better one in practice, so you got to go with that.”
I thought it was interesting when Hagerup and Gibbons was having problems early on, Coach Rod defended Hagerup but not Gibbons. Maybe he needs to get into the game and get his confidence back. I don't think we can afford that so, I am not sure he will ever be our kicker.
Gibbons is a redshirt freshman. It might take some time before he adjusts to playing in front of so many fans and kicking the ball on a college field. Expecting much from anyone who's a freshman - redshirt or true - is probably unwise. Hopefully he improves in the coming years.
Who do you focus on moving forward?
Both are RS Fr, Gibbons is 1-4 and Broekhuizen is 3-8.
I think one way you get the butterflies out is to get him kicking PATs.
That said, I'm not a coach nor do I claim to be, so if the coaches continue to use Broekhuizen, I trust them, they obviously know better than I do.
I think you bring in another kicker if you have to. I mean, that's the only reasonable option. I think Hagerup has been handling the kickoff duties fairly well, you hope that Broekhuizen and Gibbons can improve, but you can't afford to hit only 33% of your field goals for the next two or three years, either.
what are your thoughts?
I guess Broekhuizen's the guy, at least for shorter kicks. Gibbons supposedly has a stronger leg, so anything 45+ seems like he would give you the best chance.
i.e. - not very much of one at all...
If Rod sent anyone out there to kick a 45 yard field goal under almost any circumstances, I would probably just start crying.
i don't get that talk either. if gibbons had the stronger leg, why wouldn't he be kicking off all year. it's been kind of a merry go round there too.
i also noticed at halftime of the illinois game that gibbons was just standing around while 3 or 4 other guys were practicing field goals. i really thought that was odd. i mean, shouldn't you prepare in case the starting kicker gets injured.
Maybe Gibbons' attitude/lack of preparation is what's keeping him off the field. I don't have any inside info, just throwing that out there. It does seem odd that a field goal kicker wouldn't be practicing field goals with the other field goal kickers. Or maybe he's got a pulled groin or something.
Since we can't afford a coach to specialize in helping the kickers, is it a violation to have a volunteer help them with their technique, confidence, etc.? Do we have any retired Michigan kickers who could come in and help out, even once or twice as a "master class"? Jay Feeley is still playing, and don't know what his relationship is with the program, but maybe he could drop by for spring practice. And, speaking of former kickers, whatever happened to Hayden Epstein?
I can't imagine a kid like Gibbons who was so good in high school doesn't have it in there somewhere just waiting to be coaxed back out.
I agree on Gibbons. He's got the potential. It just to be harnessed/focused.
I'm not sure whether that would be a violation or not to bring in a "specialist" to help those kids. I wouldn't think that to be the case, as long as no money is exchanged, but I don't know for sure.
I remember reading that Gibbons was bigger than Brandin Hawthorne in HS. If kicker doesn't work out, maybe he can bulk up and play DT.
My brother played D1 Football in the 90s at Cincinnati and he stated that sometimes these kickers have a hard time adjusting to kicking from the grass instead of a tee in high school football. But someone needs to really help this kid out so we can get this squared away. Its already looking like we have 2 5-Star busts two years in a row with (Big Will) being the other one.
Are you implying that Gibbons was a 5-star? Please say no.
Also, it's pretty unfair to call Will Campbell a "bust" since he SHOULD be a redshirt freshman right now.
I didn't know that kickers ever got five stars.
I was watching the special teams unit warm up after the halftime show during the Illinois game and what went down was:
Hagerup doing his thing, booming punts
other kickers practicing their field goals
Gibbons playing catch with some trainer. At one point he even threw it to one of the fans in the student section, and after he got the football back, proceeded to continue playing catch with his buddy.
i may have stole your thunder by replying to a comment up above. but yes, i too noticed gibbons at halftime of the illini game.
Kickers are a funny bunch, sometime they just need to make one big kick and everything will just click. I remember a while back when I was a Maryland fan (orginally from there), they had a kicker named Nick Novak. In his redshirt freshman year, he started off just horrible, only making something like 3 out of his first 12 kicks. Then one game he was brought in against GT, and he made a surprise 45ish yard fg to force OT, then a game winner. And from that game on, he was just lights out and finished the season like 12/14 and went on to be All-ACC the rest of his career. Maybe Gibbons just needs a similar moment to get his confidence and finally click. Hopefully he'll get a chance and capitalize on it!
is only punting.
But yeah, it's official, Michigan has the worst FG kicking in the league at 38% FGM.
Michigan would be wise to go for it or punt every time and wait until next year.
Rodriguez says that Seth has been consistently better in practice. There is no evidence to suggest Gibbons would be better in games.
Gibbons is currently revising his,"The Decline and Fall of the Wolverine Empire". Once he finishes it he should be good to go.
just a thought...
Aren't scholarship guys who are under walk-ons on the depth chart prone to transfer?
to give up a free UM degree, imo.