What is gained by keeping Hoke until the end of the season?

Submitted by trueblueintexas on
There are reasons why I believe it is in the best interest of the program to let Hoke go now. - it reaffirms the message Michigan strives for excellence and doesn't accept being mediocre. That is important to alumni, fans, and recruits who support the program. - it puts an end to Hoke's influence on the team. Hoke has bred a culture of mistakes and lack of attention to detail. It would be an opportunity to sow the seeds for better performance next year. I just see no benefit in keeping him around at this point. Does anyone have legitimate reasons as to why Michigan should keep him through the OSU game at this point?

HAILtoBO

October 25th, 2014 at 6:38 PM ^

Sorry for language. But seriously fuck the cheerleader cHoke. He's an absolute joke. He can't coach to save his life. He has yet to get these ayers ready for any game. They play mediocre and they are mediocre. Connor coke never even needed to throw the ball today. And our players consider them a joke and not a rival. That falls on cHoke.



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ESNY

October 25th, 2014 at 6:38 PM ^

Nothing. He has zero chance of coming back next year and we look worse every week. We are barely a D1 team. Even though it means little, have to prove this is unacceptable. Cut the cord.

gobluenyc

October 25th, 2014 at 6:41 PM ^

When things are not going well, sometimes you do something like put in the 2nd string QB just to change things, and hope it will jump start the team. After the Utah game, or even the Minny game, we needed to do that. But not the QB. It had to be the HC. Putting Mattison in charge was not a longterm solution, but it was a chance to make a change. Then you play out the rest of the season knowing another coach was on his way next season. It worked for SC last year. 

Maybe Brandon thinks his job is dependent on Hoke. Who knows? Hoke needed to go a month ago.

MichiganExile

October 25th, 2014 at 6:55 PM ^

I'm racking my brain to think of a worse coach in all of college football. I can't come up with a single guy I wouldn't rather have. Until Hoke came along I never went into a game thinking there was absolutely no way Michigan could win. I honestly wonder if his players don't feel the same way now. There is nothing to be gained for the program by keeping Hoke even one more minute. The only reason he stays employed is for Brandon to save face. 

poseidon7902

October 25th, 2014 at 6:56 PM ^

I have said this since the ND game.  A friend says I'm an idiot because it would do so much damage to the organization.  He thinks that Brandon will hire another Hoke and we'll lose all our recruits.  If Brandon isn't fired by now, he's likely going to make it till the end of the season.  They aren't going to fire Hoke and Brandon in the same week, so we're either stuck with Hoke or Brandon.  At this point, I think Brandon may be the better option.  He's at least under enough pressure that he'll watch his step and he won't do anything stupid for the most part.  Hoke is just inept and there's nothing we can hope will change.  

Maizenblueball

October 25th, 2014 at 6:57 PM ^

At this point I see only downside to keeping Hoke through the end of the year. I see ZERO downside to firing him now. The sooner we cut Hoke loose the sooner we can start having serious discussions with possible candidates to replace him, because there seems to be a gentlemen's agreement among many coaches to not discuss replacing a coach when he still has his job. Fire Hoke now, so Michigan can start selling a Harbaugh or Miles the benefits of the job now. I realize we may not be able to land those guys, but it can't help things if Hoke still has the job, even for other candidates.

klctlc

October 25th, 2014 at 7:25 PM ^

Programs negotiate all the time with potential coaches, while they have a coach?  Do you really think Jim will say, "oh they must be serious, they fired Brady" .  Guaranteed alums or somebody has already put out feelers.  

Once again, love to see brady fired as an angry fan, but what do we gain?  

 

 

klctlc

October 26th, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^

As I wake up today and read the News, review this blog and think back on the god damn stake.  I am so mad.  I want him gone.  My whole point with the post was that  we should be honest about what firing Hoke realy does.  Nothing, but make us a feel better.  

I am vindictive. I want him humiliated.  Great guy but who cares anymore.

These poor players are so screwed right now, with or without Hoke. Just imagine being a dad of one of these guys trying to get to the NFL? My god, they can transfer but that does not really help.  None of us really saw this coming.  It is truly shocking.

This season can't end soon enough.

 

The FannMan

October 25th, 2014 at 6:58 PM ^

We could have given Nuss a chance after Minnesota with 7 games and two bye-weeks to see if he can be an HC.  Maybe Hoke is killing the offense too?  Maybe Nuss could handle it.  We gave up the chance to see so Hoke can finish crashing the plane into the goddamn moutain.

Now it is just too far gone.  There are only four games left. one of which is a sure loss.  

The FannMan

October 25th, 2014 at 9:02 PM ^

I hear you.  But you also don't have to hire a guy just because the players demand it.  This isn't basketball where five guys literally are the team.  

My point is just that it would have been nice to see if we had the next great coach already on staff.  He probably isn't, but how could it have been any worse?

Of course, this is academic now.  It is pretty clear that the house will have to be cleaned.  I just don't see any point in doing it now as opposed to December.

 

Danwillhor

October 25th, 2014 at 7:03 PM ^

1) He has no real successor on staff. GMatt would not coach this team if Hoke is fired. He might go with him. That leaves Nuss but he's been here less than a year and it looks like he won't see another. So, we'd be interim HC'ing a position coach. He needs to go ASAP and I'm not concerned about recruiting. Yet, who would replace him and what underclassmen would go with him? 2) Brandon has to go first. If he has any lead in the next hire we won't get anything different or better. Brandon has to go, new AD fires Hoke, new AD cleans house & hires new coach. Any other way and the "Michigan Man Bo Lineage" mentality likely stays.

cGOBLUEm

October 25th, 2014 at 7:13 PM ^

There is no upside to keeping him. Let him go, then we can see which of the current incoming class committed to the University or to Hoke and build from there. 

In addition, the fire that Nuss showed after Smith's TD is far more than any fire I've seen out of Hoke all year. Let Nuss be the interim for now. We really have nothing to lose

I know that many of you on here are older than I (28), but never could I imagine that Michigan would be this bad in my lifetime. It's sickening. 

Magnum P.I.

October 25th, 2014 at 8:30 PM ^

Hoke is like an old family dog with two bum legs, an inoperable tumor, and debilitating pain. Too proud to lay down and die. Need to put him down to end everyone's suffering.

lilpenny1316

October 25th, 2014 at 7:25 PM ^

That gives Brandon time to make the next HC hire.  That's the only possible reason to keep Hoke until December: To give the regents and President time to fire DB first.

sleeper

October 25th, 2014 at 7:29 PM ^

Nothing, just heard his post game comments, when asked about why Morris went in for one play his answer was: "We thought about making a change, but after thinking about it we decided since it was Devins senior year and last time he would play MSU he deserved to finish the game." This sums him up perfectly, to nice of a guy to lead a Power 5 football team. You think Dantonio would give a fuck about Cooks feeling if he was getting his ass kicked? 

tdkgb21

October 25th, 2014 at 7:30 PM ^

However, not sure what can be salvaged by giving him the boot now. I think the best we can hope for is that he gets the Earl Bruce treatment before the OSU game. Hopefully there will be a new AD in place to give him his walking papers but probably not. I am depressed.

mddubbs

October 25th, 2014 at 7:31 PM ^

There is no downside to shit canning Hoke right now.  The offensive line hasn't made progress in three years, our receivers gain NO separation and make no tough catches, and our QB has simply lost all confidence.

We hired a buffoon and this is the end product.

BlueHills

October 25th, 2014 at 7:35 PM ^

I wouldn't mind if he was let go tomorrow, but honestly the kids need someone to be in charge, and other than Hoke, there is only Nuss and Matty. Nuss hasn't been at Michigan a single whole season, and Matty might not be the right guy to finish the year out.

But it hardly matters at this point, does it?

PA_Blue

October 25th, 2014 at 8:03 PM ^

What is taking Schlissel so long to make a decision on Brandon?  What more information does he need?  If you wait too long to fire the guy than the next coaching search will be a botch job like the previous two.  He needs to move quickly at this point and if his decision is to ultimately keep him, then state that now and let's move on.  The uncertainty is like a black cloud over the program and it's not going away. 

Waves

October 25th, 2014 at 8:05 PM ^

His lovefest at the end of the game with Dantonio made me nauseous. Heartfelt pat on shoulder, talking into his ear, etc. Seriously, being a nice guy is great, but have some freakin' balls, man. The guy hates your guts and just bitch stomped your team all over the field.

He can't get gone fast enough for me.

ca_prophet

October 25th, 2014 at 8:28 PM ^

1. We can't hire our preferred candidates until January, and opening the job now makes it less likely we'll get them. I'm sure we've unofficially signaled the job is open, but officially opening that makes the Les Miles press conference (where he has to make a choice on the record he can't easily back away from) more likely.
2. It makes attrition more likely, because uncertainty is worse than the status quo *for the players*. Every indication is that they love their coaches; fire people now and they have three months to transfer to a stable situation before signing day. Do it in January (or after OSU) and the situation is both less clear and less favorable for transfers.
3. Most importantly, Dave Brandon would get to choose the next coach. That's a huge bargaining chip if his fate isn't already sealed - he could agree to hire DeBord or someone backed by a regent who could in turn agree to give him time to turn things around. Even if his job is not in jeopardy as much we would like to think, why on earth do we think Brandon would make a better hire this time around?

None of this is a defense of the job the staff has done this season. It is simply not up to the level we all want the team to be, them included, and a change will almost certainly be made. Hopefully it will be a choice and a time that makes things better, not worse - and yes, things can always get worse.

trueblueintexas

October 25th, 2014 at 10:33 PM ^

Firing Hoke now would not mean Brandon gets to pick the next coach. They could assign an interim coach to finish the season at which time the review of the athletic department (and director) would be complete. You could then get your new AD and new coach. That said, typically a scenario like this is predicated on the coach doing something egregiously wrong. Hoke will not do something to warrant that.

Jevablue

October 25th, 2014 at 8:57 PM ^

Ok, could not think of anything.

Hoke says he has 115 sons.  Well just what the hell is he teaching them?

Get him out of there before it is beyond repair for the next guy.

And wow coach, that tender moment you shared with Dantonio as he stuck the knife in your back with 28 seconds left was really gracious.  I learned a whole lot during that exchange.  I'm glad you are above all of the anger and shit. Deep stuff man.

 Fucking Vomit.

Buccaneer_9

October 25th, 2014 at 11:10 PM ^

He didn't stick that knife in Brady's back.  He shoved it right into Brady's soft, doughy, little heart as he stared him right in his fucking dead eyes.

It seems like every game against MSU (win or lose) is like getting punched right in the mouth.  They are relentless and they play with a HUGE chip on their shoulder.  They are all of the things that we are not.

Dantonio's team feeds off of his disgust for Michigan.  They actually play football like it's them agaianst the world. 

That "Little Brother" shit needs to go die in the same fire as "Michigan Man".  They absolutely own us right now.

P.S. Devin Funchess needs to give that motherfucking number back.  Jesus Christ on a bike, he is awful!  How many times this season, have you all said to yourselves, "Braylon would have caught that."?