It is looking more and more like the end of this season could end with the fanbase even more divided then it was at RR's hire. Whichever way David Brandon goes, half of us are going to be pissed. My question is this? Does a move like firing the DC (or preferably the whole defensive staff) and bringing in someone well liked forge a slight truce? I am pissed about the way things are going, but am obviously more pissed about the defense than anything. My other issues with RR are easier to look passed when the other option is changing coaches and systems again. The 'RR is not a Michigan Man' people and the 'stay the course' people will probably never be satisfied, but maybe the majority of us can at least be calmed for one more year with a good DC move. It is hard to argue that the offense won't be as good or better next year. If the defense can just become respectable we might be able to start building some positive momentum.
What does it take to forge a begrudging truce among the (keep RR / Fire RR) factions?
Wins, it will take wins. Nothing less. People who want Rodriguez gone will want blood for sure, but it will never be enough unless the head coach is part of the bloodletting. The only way he can avoid that is to win and if that happens, people may not like him, but they will accept him.
GERG's head must be shaved as a sacrifice.
Men laying their trick-money down. Twenty dollars to pay the rent? Maybe not. Maybe instead I'll spend it on the whore.
ONCE during the war I visited a prostitute and my life has been a living HELL ever since!
Oh for Christ's sake, I visit a prostitute one time during the war and my life is a living hell ever since.
I kind of like HER idea.
Wins are the only cure. It's really been that way from the beginning, but Rich Rodriguez is at the point where it comes down to beating the team across the line of scrimmage. It doesn't matter who it is, or what the final margin is. Just win. If that happens the rest of this year, then I think RR will come back next season.
If the wins don't come, then not only is no truce forthcoming regardless of what RR does, but his supporters will start falling away rapidly, at an ever-increasing rate, and that may very likely include David Brandon.
There were people who didn't want him here from the beginning. We are fans of Michigan and should be cheering and supporting anyone playing or coaching for the Maize and Blue. It made me sick to see some of the signs out before the Iowa after one single loss.
Not only did schemes change when RR got here, but so did entitlement. Players now had to earn their position on a daily basis and this pissed off some players (Snowplow boy for one). Then the Freep went on a witch hunt of which most was proven wrong or to have little truth and our fan base turned some more. Every program has had down years, but I never remember one that has had so many players with 2 or more years eligibility starting. It's not an excuse it's a fact. This should not happen at Michigan as the naysayers would point out. Yet, it has, and this must surely be RR's fault too despite only having only two full recruiting classes. Must be a coincidence, because Michigan is the best and there should be Jrs. and Srs. starting everywhere.
I'm inclined to accept (in advance) whatever decision Brandon ends up making at the season's end. But, I'll likely never forgive some people (Boren, Freep, etc.) for the way they've treated Rodriguez.
It's simple. He's been blamed for *everything* that has gone wrong, including problems that he didn't cause.
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You'll see this again, but here's the closest thing I currently have to a litmus test for Michigan fans:
Did Rodriguez take a potential BCS bowl team in '08 and steer it to a 3-9 season? Y/N?
because there are kind of two parallel processes at play here. On the one hand is the unfair treatment of RR from day one for aesthetic reasons. These people are the ones who have had the "Fire RR" signs in the car every gameday, waiting for a chance to throw fuel on the fire (see: Rosenberg). He has absolutely received an unfair reception from a good portion of the base since his arrival.
On the other hand is the team's actual performance under his tenure. The record speaks for itself. And while RR's performance is likely affected to some degree by Process 1 above, it doesn't really matter what the reason is at this point--three years is three years, and after too much losing, indelible damage starts to be done to the brand. This is point that the ardent RR supporters fail to realize, in my opinion. I think some people have dug in so deep in response to the unfair treatment toward RR (which has truly been unfair during these first two years) that they have forgotten what realistic accountability looks like for an HC at a major program. There are very logical arguments being made for why RR shouldn't come back, but the apologists don't distinguish between criticisms of RR. Everything is just part of the mass noise of unfair missives that have been launched at him since his arrival.
Good post ... as the guy with the Angry Mike Martin avatar noted recently, the amount of negative energy is, by itself, reason to consider making a change. Painful and too bad for Rodriguez, but understandable ...
Did Rodriguez take a potential BCS bowl team in '08 and steer it to a 3-9 season? Y/N?
This is a straw man. No one ever believed that we had championship talent in 2008. We all expected it to be a rebuilding year, even before Lloyd retired. The bigger questions are these:
1. Did it have to be that bad in 2008?
2. Was the program really in such a hole in December 2007 that three years later we should still be struggling to finish above .500?
3. Is the coach who has presided during this difficult stretch the right guy for the program, going forward?
My fellow reader, I assure you that it is far from a straw man. I can count ten friends and acquaintances (all alums, for what that's worth) who truly believe that Lloyd could have gone bowling (in Florida) with the '08 team.
I agree with your bigger questions, btw.
They're out to lunch on that one. And if that is representative of the fanbase as a whole, then RR certainly was behind the eight ball early on. But still . . . I don't think it had to be this bad. I think if RR could go back in time, he wouldn't have blown up Carr's coaching staff. I think that decision is at the root of a lot of our problems.
I'm trying to figure out with the length of time spanned during the Bo?Mo/Lloyd era there should be some coaches out there other than recycling the same ones. I'm talking about former players.
I'm in PA and see that PSU also sends out coaches besides players. Many on the staff there are former players. Temple is now PSU south and after talking to the fans last week I'm more convinced that the HC of Temple is the next coach for PSU.
What coaches does Michigan have out there besides Harbaugh?
Note: Really depressing to read the accomplishments of Al Golden at Temple. 4-8, 5-7, 9-4 and bowling in his first 3 years AT TEMPLE!
Wins. Lots of them. In bunches. rivals included. I'm an RR supporter and I'm starting to wane on my confidence given the lack of results. Just sayin'....I'm not all about this "THIS IS MICHIGAN THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN" scene that has flowed over the fan base the past few years but seriously...we have to start turning the corner or it will be time to move on.
But the consensus on Twitter yesterday was an MGoTherapy session with Kit Kats, Butterfingers, chocolate chip macadamia nut cookies and Captain Morgan.
In order to "end" the family feud, 2-3 wins in the final four games and a blowout win in a bowl game. At least the "fire RR" crowd will be minimalized during the offseason.
If we finish strong, all the background noise will disappear.
will have frozen over.
I'm so okay with this that I can't even express it in words.
Ok this is where I sit
At this point, I think it's best that he moves on. I no longer believe that it's possible for RR to put together a competent defense. Now, if there are wholesale changes on the defense and he stays on, will I be pissed? Not to the point where I will run naked through the streets howling at the moon, but I will be skeptical. I will sit back and cheer like hell on Saturday but I will be skeptical and the leash will be even shorter next year with me.
is not the cure, he is being used as a scapegoat, by fans at least, not necessarily by Rich Rod. The defensive issues have a lot to do with personnel as much as scheme, and those are not Greg Robinson's problems, those pre-date both he, and Rich Rod to some degree. I don't expect GERG to be fired as much as I expect him to say "to hell with this" at some point. Most of what is being said about him now is in defense of Rich Rod, not due to anything that he has or has not done, and that is not fair to him. The guy has had a very accomplished career, he did not come to Michigan and forget how to coach a defense.
the common denominator is Robinson's defenses have been among the worst for 4 years now, only 2 of those at Michigan.
No way ... UNLESS ... he beats Ohio State and / or wins all three of the other three games (for a .500 Big Ten season with a quality win against Wisconsin) and there is visible improvement in the subsequent bowl game. Even then I think the fire RR side is too dug in.
No Truce. We will not negotiate with the Skeptics! Trying to takeover the Big House by means of skepticism. The Big House has belonged to the Apologists and will continue to belong to the Apologists. Praise be to Yost.
My view on this is that the most important objective for this season is clarity on the program's future. Obviously, that ideally would be an outstanding season that leaves no doubt that RR is the guy. In the absence of that, though, I actually think we're better off knowing for sure that RR just isn't the guy.
Even more than another coaching transition, I fear another couple of just-good-enough-not-to-get-fired seasons that inflict serious harm on recruiting, program expectations, fan morale, etc. Truthfully, I think this season still could go either way: 9-3 or 8-4 with a win over OSU and only the anti-RR fringe would call for change; 5-7 or 6-6 with a few more ugly losses and only the pro-RR fringe would call for the status quo.
We're just in that awkward part of the season where it can go either way. As long as it goes one way or the other, I'll be satisfied and I think there will be peace among the fanbase (though most of us have an obvious preference for seeing the season end well).
Assuming this is the watershed year for RR and assuming, for the sake of argument, things go south in a sufficiently dramatic way to mark the end of RR's time here, there will be peace until the hiring phase begins. I dwelled more on rivals than I did here in '07 and that was not a fun process if you like M fan harmony. (fwiw, I wanted to make a play for Ferentz, who was habitually shot down by the Pro-Miles, Pro whoever else factions).
who wanted Lloyd Carr fired after 1998.
Due to his Callahanian-scale mismanagement of this once great program, I am quite skeptical whether I can ever support RR again. Winning will not cure all - it goes deeper than that now. If I respected him as a leader and manager of our program, of men, I could find a way to support him, even if he was still somehow losing (which is an unlikely outcome). But he has lost all of my respect by blaming the defensive players, ridiculing the kickers, engaging in unhealthy nepotism, failing to swallow his pride and convince players to stay, recruiting unwisely, hogtying DCs, and so on.
I will always root for this team, but wins and losses don't matter anymore in terms of my support for RR.
There are three factions -- passionate RichRod haters, fed-up RichRod doubters, and fed-up M fans who hope that things will improve if RichRod stays. Sweeping the final four games and a bowl wouldn't win over the haters at this point/
Count me as a member of a fourth faction, the faction of supporters that believe Rodriguez can/will still get it done if given at least another year. I may be a faction of one and, if so, so be it. But I think a lot of Michigan fans got lulled into complacency and a sense of entitlement over the years (I know I sure did, after knowing bowl games for my entire 30+ years). College football is different today than it was 10 years ago and Michigan failed to adapt. I loved the teams of the 90s and early 00s and I love Michigan football. But lets face facts - when teams like Boise, TCU, and Utah are ranked in the Top 10 its clear that times have changed. And Michigan took steps to change with it in hiring Rodriguez. I'm not ready to give up yet, at least not until Rodriguez has a recruiting class graduate.
I am in your faction as well. I don't support Rodriguez unconditionally but I do want him to get another year at least. For reasons that need not be re-hashed on this board, I think that a lot of things that are out of his control have conspired to keep the team in the place it's in (which, let's remember, is a place that many of us thought they would be in at the beginning of this year).
Can we retire the word entitlement? It has gone the way of the politicians shouting about wallstreet and mainstreet. Even when posters use it correctly and intelligently, as I think it was a couple of posts above this, I still just assume they are regurgiating phrases.
You, sir, are a man after my own heart. There are several words/phrases constantly tossed around here at work that I wish would be retired and/or shot and buried. Cases in point: the "optics" of a situation and a "robust" system. I will stop using the word "entitlement" simply because I feel your pain.
I would suggest to stop taking everything so seriously.
Everyone on both sides. I know I've rattled some people with my sit back, relax and see what happens approach, but honestly, it's the only way to go.
I'm sad we lost on Saturday and hurt like heck for kids busting their asses for us. But considering the rhetoric--and foolishness--from both sides (fer gawd's sake even a mod flipped out and lost privledges), that I have seen since the game ended, I'll take my approach any day. Why? Because I am not angry. Being angry is for unhappy people and bad radio personalities. I've seen this board flame up more and more since the MSU game. Yet, I'm enjoying football season more and more. What's the difference? I dont make it life or death. It's just life.
So, what would heal the divide? Stop taking this so fucking seriously. He's either fired or not fired, but we have four games left, and I'd rather happily and blissfully cheer for the kids than circle jerk to death on this board with either side of this issue.
I honestly feel if we show the kids some love and support over the next month and let them know we want them here, then it wont matter what happens on the coaching front.
To that end, I have gone so far as to fast forward my DVR through all of the plays where Michigan is on defense. Its the only way to stay sane. I hate having to do it, but I'm sticking to your approach of trying to relax and not ruin the games for myself. Michigan football is one of my true loves and I can't let a few bad seasons ruin a lifetime of great enjoyment!
I like profitgoblue's idea
I can mow my lawn in shifts so I never catch up to real time. Not too shabby mr profit, not too shabby at all.
I suggest definitely incorporating my strategy during the Wisconsin and OSU games. You unfortunately may reall need that >> button to keep your sanity on those two Saturdays . . .
I take it too seriously. I don't sleep well when they lose, and it takes me a good part of Sunday to shake out of it. But I'm having a ball this season, every game. I look forward to these 12 days all year. There are only 4 left.
We need to show progress, we need to win, or we need to make changes that get us there. But right now RR is the coach, and I love this team.
I will scream myself voiceless on Saturday for the entire team, including the coach. I'll stay to the end, win or lose.
and a fanatical devotion to BO
doesn't act as a suggestion to bring about a truce or anything in that regard, but I am of the opinion that Coach Rod may be out already, he may truly be a lame duck at this point. Brandon stated a while back that it is not all about wins and losses, there are many variables that go into the equation. It was assumed at the time that this was a vote of support for RR, but the statement actually does cut both ways, and I think the other things were cutting against RR at the time the statement was made and that certainly have not improved.
Coach Rod has been reckless, he has been reckless with institution control, he has been reckless in terms of managing the roster (cutting bait with Tate Forcier included), he was reckless with a particular recruit, and he is consistently being reckless with the media (to a peculiar level).
Opening day at the Big House was important this year, the completion of the renovations was a momentus occassion, and there was the need for at least the appearance of a united front at that time, but it may not have been legitimate.
It is possible that Coach Rod is trying to preserve a career and that the University of Michigan is trying to preserve its football program, and that the two are not one in the same. It is not only possible, but appears to be likely right now.
Whatever the case may be, I am not going to stop watching. Strike up the Victors, football season is too short to begin with, I am not about to cash in my chips yet. Saturday at noon can't come soon enough.
I think the two factions have never been closer. even the most ardent RR supporters realize year 3 the defensive disaster of historical proportions although not completely his fault is at least 75% his making. I also I think that the most anti-RR fan sees that he has quickly built one of the best Michigan offenses in the last 30 years. Both sides are tired of the losing to mediocre teams so is Brandon. I guess the split becomes not between RR supporters and non-supporters but between the small minority of fans that will work against Rodriguez and the Michigan program because of their dislike of the coach. Those that boo at home games, start obnoxious chants, call sports talk radio. I would like to see RR get a chance to coach all those kids coming back next year but if DB wants to cut his losses and grab Harbaugh I'd be fine with that too even if they went out and hired Mike DeBord I'd still show up to every game and cheer, I might write a letter to Brandon, I might withhold University Donations but I would never publicly denounce the coach it serves no purpose and Brandon won't make a decision based on that crap.
I consider myself more or less a pro-RR fan, but I'm still struggling with the idea that this offense is Cthulhu risen from the deep and unleashed upon helpless Big Ten defenses. I posted a diary explaining why I've been disappointed with the offense in Big Ten play, but to take a different approach, I'll examine the "one of the best Michigan offenses in the last 30 years" statement.
Currently, the 2010 offense is #19 in the nation in scoring offense, averaging 35.38 PPG. That average was 41.4 after the Indiana game and has dropped steadily since then. Without trying to do any detailed analysis, my gut tells me it's probably going to keep dropping. Let's assume it remains where it is, though.
Just in the previous 10 seasons, Michigan has fielded two offenses which finished the season ranked higher than #19 in scoring offense. The 2003 offense finished the season ranked #12 averaging 35.38, and the 2000 offense finished the season ranked #17 and averaging 33.91 PPG. It is, IMHO, noteworthy that neither of those teams had a snackycake FCS opponent to help pad the stats.
The 2003 team actually score MORE in Big Ten conference play than OOC -- they averaged 35.75 PPG in conference play. The 200 team also score MORE in conference play than OOC -- they averaged 34.125 PPG in Big Ten play. Contrast that with this year's team which scores less in Big Ten play, averaging 29.5 PPG versus the 41.3 PPG they put up in non-conference play.
The 2004 offense, which only scored 30.83 PPG and finished 24th nationally, also scored more PPG in Big Ten play than this year's offense has so far. The 2004 team averaged 30.75 PPG in conference play.
So, all that said, I like the offense. I love D Rob as much as the next guy. I just don't believe that this offense, right now, is one of the best offenses we've ever seen at Michigan. It started great. It has struggled against legitimate Big Ten defenses. Most of the points it has scored in the last three games have been when the game was more or less out of reach. I believe D Rob is special and that this offense can be even better next year, but right now, I think it's a real stretch to call this team one of the best in 30 years, particularly since I think their output and ranking are going to continue to drop. I hope they light up the scoreboard in the next four games and make me eat my words.
Don't have the time to look to deep but I am guessing if you took into consideration field position and # of possesions, those offenses wouldn't stack up as well.
Field position could definitely be a contributing factor. I'm less sure about # of possessions since I don't really see why that would be significantly different. I think the raw data to examine the field position issue might be available, although I don't know I'll have the time personally to investigate.
To look at things more qualitatively, I guess I'd simply say that as amazed as I am by Denard Robinson, if I had to pick a UM offense from the last 10 years to win a game to save the human race, I'd take one that includes some combination of Henne/Braylon/Manningham/Breaston/Hart/Long before I'd take this one. I'd probably also take a Henson/Terrell/Walker/Thomas offense before I'd take this one..
I'll point out one last time that I think this offense is pretty good and can certainly be spectacular in the next two years, perhaps better than any Michigan offense I've seen. My point is simply that I don't think it's spectacular right now.
For the "anti-RR" crowd, the impovements on offense from last year to this year are both visable and measureable. Yes, the defense has taken a step back, but didn't we expect that, especially after the Woolfolk injury? The unit is young and inexperienced. That excuse is wearing thin but there is reason for hope in the future. Woolfolk should return. We only lose Mouton, Ezeh, and Rogers.
For the supporters, we must see improvement in 2011, and it needs to be significant. Youth and inexperience will no longer be an excuse, especially if we are getting torched by middling FCS programs and walk-on QBs. The talent level is no worse off than the Big Ten bottom feeders. If there aren't improvements, it'll be time to jump the fence.
Dave Brandon announces otherwise. I will support the team and the program either way. I have lost some faith that this will ultimately succed here. I can't put my finger on exactly why, but I have my doubts.
The defense is an utter failure and unless they go 4-0 and win a bowl game convincingly while holding opponents under 21 ppg and less than 350 ypg, a change at DC is paramount. If 5-7 is the final result, then they all have to go.
10 games to win one and failing to do so, is an Epic Fail and a new direction should be sought. Will this create upheaval and players tranferring a possible backsliding...yes. That is why I pray we don't get there. Win the next two and be competitive in the final two, replace the DC and let the new run HIS defense and get this ship righted.
If, at the end of the season there is complete change. The next one better have Big Ten experience and understand completely and down to their soul what being the coach at Michigan means.
Sorry I am just not ready to fire RR yet. Someone relay this to Brandon. I just can't stomach another rebuilding process not when we are so close to being where we all want to be. I am not ready to bring in Harbaugh and tell Denard to beat it. This team is comprised of some great athletes who also happen to be of great character. They are not ready to give up on this season, not by a long shot.
That being said I completely understand the frustration of the fire RR camp and don't begrudge them for it. We all root for the same team on Saturday and I am willing to bet that most if not all of them would like to see us win 3 out of the next 4. My only advice is support the team for the remainder of the season and let the coaching decisions take there course. I will support what ever decision is made despite wanting RR to get another year. So for now he is the coach so you might as well grin and bear it.
if i had photoshop access/skill, i'd make a rally to restore sanity and/or fear poster w/ two RR faces, only smiley one yelling. that would bridge the divide.
If looking at all of the comments to this thread, I notice that many people talk about either supporting RR or being anti-RR and wanting him gone. I don't think that the two sides are mutually exclusive.
I support RR. I like him and I think that he is a good offensive football coach. I genuinely pull for the guy, want him to succeed here and if he goes elsewhere, I will genuinely pull for whomever hs is coaching (unless they are either a rival or playing us). At the same time, I do not believe that he should be back next year. I feel that the team is not heading in the right direction, he is too polarizing within the fanbase (for right or wrong), he has shown some deficiencies on defensive hiring and recruiting, and he seems unable to pull his team out of a slide.
So, while I support RR, I also do not think that he should be back. So not sure why the two sides can't co-exist by jointly rooting for and supporting RR while he is here and respecting each other's view on whether he should be back.
Your rhetoric is just as bad and overcompensating.
'Any truce lies with the RR apologists'
Good grief, you are taking things way too fucking seriously and your rhetoric over the last year or so has been every bit as one sided and closed minded.
That's some Holy Rhetoric you have there about where the truce lies.
You're blaming fans as much as the pro-RR camp does. It's just lame, man. I dont care if you agree with me on the letting the season play out front. The truce rhetoric in your post has got to go. That's what offended me, it sounds ripped right from these stupid political sound bites that are swamping us these days.
Did you cut school lunch funds? I only vote for folks who do that.
Point taken. Look, I defend vigorously our players from needless unacceptable, playa hater type rhetoric on this site. I am Pro-RR, but I also called him Mike Davis (the old IU hoops coach) in a diary almost one year ago and have been making quips at his expense in several posts at the JCB all season long. The shit just writes itself. I will always question what any head coach we have is doing all the time, but I push back against the unacceptable types whose life appear wrecked because their favorite team doesnt allow them to brag. Personally, I think he can get it done here, but nobody gets a fourth year if you cant get to a bowl in three years. We knew that going in and in a way this has been an easier season than the last two because its either the end of the road or a legit corner turning. I dont think the fans are as divided as the OP wants to make it out, and whether its your truce rhetoric or whatever the hell it is that bouje is spewing, this whole place needs to calm down.
I was a Lloyd apologist. Now I am a Rich apologist. Next year when the D still blows, I will be a Harbaugh apologist. Thats how I roll. The sign in my yard says Go Blue, not go coach.
I can assure you that the cost of the buyout is not a problem. There are plenty of donors willing to write a check to make that happen. The bigger financial gamble may be keeping RR around if he doesn't get things turned around this year. If we bring back a coach who's turned in only mediocre results (or worse), we're likely to see a lot of unsold tickets and suites, and fewer donations next year.
I'll tell you one thing, if DB decides he wants to split from RR, and RR tries to stick us with the buyout, after we paid half of his WVU buyout, he would be lacking any discernible integrity. If this season continues its spiral, both parties should be able to walk away in a "no fault" divorce.
FWIW, RichRod and Beilein paid exactly the same amount in absolute terms, 1.5 million. RichRod's buyout was bigger, so he paid less in relative terms.
I don't think the AD would ever ask donors to come up with buyout money. What usually happens is that a few super-rich types call him and say, "We'll take care of it."
Over/Under on blank checks he's already received from said donor class
I say 2.5 and they're all sitting in DB's break in cae of emergency drawer.
Yes, they do. For purposes of the bet on the total, one suitcase equals one check.
Brandon probably is using a pair of them as bookends until he really needs them
Win some games and show that the team is making progress. The problem isn't that the fans are "entitled," but that the team simply has done terribly. Winning against Illinois is a start. Incredibly, we've lost five consecutive home conference games. That's not a way to win over the fans.
Winning heals all wounds. But if you cut my arm, I have the write to say ouch.
I here that.
RR has not treated this football program with the respect it deserves. He has never taken responsibility for the failures only for the victories. He has brought us piped in music, great videos and returning players for recognition but not what the football program deserves which is respect amongst its peers. It has lost all credibility under his leadership.
I believe he has to go because he will never grasp the difference between Michigan and any other football program. He doesn't think of us as any different from West Virginia. We are just a team to him which is obvious in his press conferences where he tells us to look at the silver lining, etc...
Sorry, but a change in the D Coordinator and even in the scheme will not suffice and he has to leave.
What ever Brandon decides, I'm 100 percent behind him. I will be rooting hard for the team through the remainder of the season.
RR needed to win against one quality opponent. This year I thought it would be MSU at home. during the MSU game our offense probably had it's worse performance in terms of turnovers and other penalties. The defense played better than it is currently playing. I really don't see us beating WI or OSU. I hope we can out score IL and take out Purdue on the road. Then may be RR will be spared?
I was a big RR supporter up until the blow out loss at home against MSU. Now I'm torn between giving RR two more season or just pressing the restart button. I can see the positive and negatives in both paths. Our defense will not improve quick enough next season for more than 8 wins. So if RR only has 7 or 8 wins next season are we going to dump him? I'd rather just get it over with now. If we were more patient with our program I would give him through 2012. 2012 is when the defense will have numerous upperclassmen starters and will at least perform as an average b10 defense and along with our high power offense we should have 9 or more wins.
The coaching mess on the defensive side is disturbing. It makes me wonder if RR is a complete coach and will changing DC once again delay development of our younger players? Recruiting could really suffer, especially on the defensive side. If you think RR is on the hot seat this season wait until next season. Especially if fans have lofty goals for this team. The top recruits may not want to play here with so much uncertainty!
I'm beginning to lean towards Jim Harbaugh, that is if he would coach here? Though, he may have NFL coaching goals.
It would probably take winning out, or at least 3 wins including OSU, a bowl win, and contention for a Big ten championship next year.
I'll go ahead and predict that if we beat Illinois, we'll win 3 more games, including either Wisconsin or Ohio State.
The defense will improve but will not be good enough next season to compete for the b10 western division. I see road losses to MSU and IA. NE or OSU will beat us at home. I would hope we win one of these big home games, especially against OSU. It's time to end this fucking losing streak against them!!!!!
The prophet Bret Michaels said it best:
Give me something to believe in.
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Give me something, anything, please God something, Rich. I just need something to hang my hat on when defending you.
At this point, 5-7 = insta-fired. 6-6 or 7-5 = You better fire the entire defensive staff. 8-4 or 9-3 = Just fire Grob & Gibson, perhaps Braithwaite.
Also, if Rich does give me Something to Believe In, then I will give him a little patience:
And yes, using 80s hair band lyrics is an excellent way to declare a point of view.
Those contingent requirements are actually not bad, but I would shift everything starting with 6-6 one category down: 6-6 goes into the insta-fired category (only a 1 win improvement in a year? seriously? that bodes quite ill for the future of the program), 7-5 and 8-4 = fire whole defensive staff category, and so on.
This is supposed to be a free speech kind of forum, and as such we should not expect a truce to happen nor do we need one. People come here to passionately discuss Michigan football, and we have to expect a wide range of opinions and thoughts. What we should insist on is that you make your case for whatever you think our AD or whomever should do clear, concise, and logically argued and reasonably presented.
So, make your case, let others read it and decide whether they agree with you or not, and move on. Reality is that our AD and our University President get to make the decision, and all we get to do is argue about whether they did or will do the right thing.