What say you, MGoBoard? What needs to happen in eight (!!!) hours to bring the season to a close on a positive note? Morris going HAM? OL looking good? Da'Shawn Hand announcing he committed to the wrong school? X or Y oz's of beer consumed? What do you want to see before 240 days of darkness descends upon us?
What do you need to see tonight to feel good/optimistic/relieved?
Kate upton gifs
I reluctantly took "Boobs?" out of the OP. Not creative enough to find a classy way to phrase that, I guess.
To deal with next year's much tougher schedule (Notre Dame, Michigan State and Ohio State). 2014 will be tough, but I hope that tonight will show that it might be better as well.
And what would be that indicator?
Running game and O-line that look more functional than they did at many points this year, defense that holds up better and doesn't give up big plays. Progress between the regular season and the bowl would help me believe that the team can get better between now and next season.
ahhh the million dollar question
- Good decision making from Shane
- EXTANT RUN GAME.
- Defense to do defensive things.
I just want to see the O-line continue to progress. I also want to see Shane rip a few deep just for fun. But all in all, I want to see him be more accurate then he has been so far between his high school careers, camps, and this year. I'm excited to watch the future play tonight.
And I'll be relieved, if Shane Morris completes the game in one piece and is able to walk without assistance.
I'm assuming MIchigan defense plays more or less like they have all year. Good, not great, but enough to keep K-State from running away.
Given that, then:
- How much offensive game plan is geared towards making Morris comfortable early
- How quickly Morris settles in
- How well the offensive line provides adequate protection
So that first offensive drive is going to be interesting. If it's three-and-out with Touissaint running stretch then I get very worried. But if we see some a good mix of run and pass with some easy pass plays to help Morris settle in, then I'm feeling better.
I don't know if Michigan wins this ... but to see a decent gameplan and decent execution will give me a good sense of hope going into next year.
any player on the team from the end of the Ohio St. game and now would be nice. Show us that the coaches can coach up.
would love to see the Defense hold KSU to less then 13 first downs, under 26 minutes of time of possession, and Blue have a plus 2 in turnovers.
Morris going 12 -20 with at least 3 passes over 15 yards (not counting yards after catch). 160 yards + in passing.
Troussant(sp) running for 130+ yards.
Lewan with zero holding calls and no unsportsman like calls, two false starts is acceptable.
Hoke wearing a head set would be nice but not nesessary.
A unique offensive game plan....Coach B shines.
Keep KSU under 120 in rushing and 180 in the passing game.
If 4 of these criteria are completed, we win....well cept the head set thing....not needed for victory.
When our offensive plays fail, I simply want to be able to say, "I see what Al was trying to do there," "That was a good idea and would have worked if _______ had maintained his block," or "That would have worked if not for a heroic play by the defender."
Wormley, Clark, & Ojemudia able to get to the QB without blitzing, offensive line able to run block effectively, some snaps for D. Thomas since he's gonna play next year somewhere (nickel?) next year, some snaps for our future safety opposite Wilson, and our linebackers able to shed blocks and make plays...not worried about Shane for next year since he won't be our starter, but it would be nice to see him gain some confidence from this game. I don't know what to say abou the offensive playcalling anymore. Do we wish for a poor play calling to get Borges fired or a good game and have to deal with him another year? I don't like either option to be honest and I don't think he gets fired with a good game, maybe not at all anyways.
Gorgeous Al is not going anywhere.
morris lets his nuts hang
"that players are actually getting better. the last 2 years have not looked any different than RR last 2 years."
That second sentence makes no sense at all when the team has been 7-5 and 8-5 in the last two years, whereas Rodriguez was 5-7 and 7-6.
Furthermore, the vast majority of players have improved. You're being way too pessimistic. Here's the list of starters who (in my opinion) have remained stagnant or regressed: Taylor Lewan, Michael Schofield, Fitzgerald Toussaint, Jake Ryan, Thomas Gordon. That means 17/22 guys have improved, and there are some reasonable explanations for most of those five guys listed above (Lewan couldn't really get much better, Toussaint was coming off a nasty broken leg and the line was terrible, Jake Ryan hasn't been explosive because of his torn ACL).
Refreshingly optimistic comments by Magnus... things are definitely looking up!
except for glasgow, any improvement among the young guys on the OL has been marginal at best, imo. for this reason, i look forward to tonite's game to see if the OSU game was a fluke or true improvement. i good game up front saves funk's job; otherwise i send him packing.
I think Kalis and Magnuson did noticeably better in the last two games.
but iowa and osu didn't appear to blitz much. that's why i feel a good game tonite may show a positive trend vs an anomoly.
We had 22 returning starters? You said 17/22 starters improved. I think we can remove the interior of the line, AJ Williams/ D. Dileo, D. Gardner, Q, Ross, Black etc.. as guys that showed no marked improvement.
Guys naturally get better year to year, the only guy I can really think of who made a jump outside the natural progression is Morgan. Maybe.
I have no real stake in this argument but to say 17 of 22 starters improved on a team that was pretty terrible is just misleading.
Next year should be a much better gauge for this kind of argument because you'll see a lot of young guys that were Hoke recruits play a more significant role.
Ziff, you and I have both been around for too long for you to think that I meant we had 22 returning starters. So perhaps when you read that, you should have tried to figure out what the argument entailed rather than jumping in with some nonsense right off the bat.
Was the discussion about "making a jump outside the natural progression"? No. Nobody brought that up except you. It's true that I haven't seen a redshirt freshman walk-on explode into an All-American. You got me there.
You don't think A.J. Williams made some improvements? Fine, I guess. I do. You don't think Gardner improved? I saw him throw double-digit interceptions in the first six games, and then he threw just one pick in the final six games. Ross was better than last year, and so was Black, in my opinion. I actually dismissed Quinton Washington because he didn't play much, so I was thinking more about Willie Henry, so that's a quibble that I can understand.
In summary, a lot of guys improved. If you think I'm only talking about in-season improvement, then you're having a different argument. And if you want to have that argument, I would like to point out Jake Butt, De'Veon Smith, Jehu Chesson, Derrick Green, Graham Glasgow, Chris Wormley, Gardner, Raymon Taylor, Frank Clark, and so on.
I have never been terribly impressed with Fitz's running. The things that frustrated me this year were the same things that frustrated MD during his 1000 yard season. I don't believe it is a result of the injury, though there is no way to say for sure.
any other scheduled narcotic deemed illegal without a prescription to mask my inner frustration and rage would suffice.............
But in all seriousness, a solid effort by the o-line, funchess not dropping passes, and a solid effort by Shane Morris. Win or lose if the game is close and we played a solid game w/ very little turnovers or little things that cause us to beat ourselves i would be ecstatic.
Of course, i want the win but if it means both teams play sloppy and we just miraculously win because we played a little less sloppy, then i guess i will just have to settle with being moderately happy and enjoyin my stay in defcon 2.
A win, so that we don't give up the winning percentage record to ND (assuming they beat RU).
Didn't realize they had made up that gap again...
Yeah, neither did I until they just said it during the ND/RU game. Although let's not give ND too much credit.... we gave up that ground this year.
Went through and did it by hand, the outcomes of the two bowl games will have this effect. I osted this in an earlier thread.
Beat the Fighting Grimaces.
Great/best post in this thread
Michigan alum/fans regardless of outcome! That's all I want.
Playing without mistakes and coaching to win the game. It is Morris's first start and Borges needs to put him in a position to succeed. I'd like to see development from the OLine. Yeah something that shows the team has had a couple of weeks to get ready.
No big plays let up. Make them drive the length of the field.
If it actually turns out 25-20 but it is the type of game where both teams played great and one just had to win it I will be fine with that. Save some of the luck for next season.
Shane looks confident / comfortable (assuming OL isn't a disaster)
running game has life
SINGLE-SEASON RECEIVING RECORD FOR GALLON
defense gives up <30 points
Don't lose TO battle by more than one (new QB, so not expecting to win that)
Matt Wile, your time to shine mister!
Win = celebration sex
Loss = venting sex
The two above are not the same
But which type of sex do you prefer? Venting sounds pretty good
because it means I'm already in a good mood...not sure Ms. ND Sux agrees though. :)
A win tonight in any way gives us an 8-5 season and we can say we're still pretty close. A loss in any way and 7-6 is going to be tough to deal with all summer.
K State has been playing well, if they somehow beat us convincingly it could really hurt our brand.
i want to see Green and Smith combine for 200 yards rushing.
but it doesn't happen without a passing threat. Shane will give us that one day, but not expecting it tonight. Still, it's not impossible if the line plays well.
I see the same outcome.
The thing abt the rivalry. It picks up the down team. We had a breakthrough as getting up for that game will carryforward. I expect three losses next year. I expect a win in EL and loss in Columbus
shane to go for 250 yds or more
or green to have 100 yds or more
as far as defense goes i dont think that they are as big an issue as the offense
I will watch because it is Michigan football. I have no optimism or pessimism about the game or the future of the program. Nothing could make me feel better or worse about the standing of things. It's a strange place to be.
What I want to see is Michigan football one more time before next fall.
And there it is: your moment of zen.
An OL that can block, and a DL that can generate pressure.
I just don't want to see any regression from the running backs and the offensive line, and it would be nice to see a decent run defense after what Carlos Hyde did. I don't think a close-ish loss would be particularly embarrassing since Gardner is sidelined, and I don't see Michigan getting blown out. Basically, if this game stays close, I'll be at about the same comfort level as I am now: optimistic but wary.
I would like to see either green or smith have a very strong game - like over 5 per carry - breaking tackles and showing good vision. I would also like to see the interior of the line show that they are improving both technically and as a unit. As for Morris, I am not looking for Tom Brady or even John Navarre. I jus want him to show that he can chandler pressure, move the pocket when necessary, not panic and make throws when they present themselves. He is a freshman, so I just want to see that he has the potential in live game experience to be a good qb in 2 years.
As a bonus, it would be nice to see Chesson show that he can translate his track speed to football. He has potential, so a glimpse that he is starting to realize it would be encouraging.
I think Chesson has already shown that his speed translates to football. He has beaten the defense deep several times this year, but he adjusted poorly early in the year, got overthrown at least once, and wasn't targeted at other times despite beating his man. I just think Gardner has better chemistry with Funchess and Gallon, who are both more experienced and a little more natural receivers. If/when Chesson takes some of Gallon's targets next year, I think people will be pleased.
i remember a couple catches where he went up and got the ball a la braylon. i think this kid has huge upside. he definitely should have been targeted more this year.
I think that your post highlights what I am looking for. You are correct that Chesson has often beaten his man deep. He definitely has the speed. But, as you noted, there have been a number of balls that he hasn't properly adjusted to, and he still has to develop a trust / confidence / consistency with his qb. These are the things that I am looking for. Better adjustments, some better chemistry with the qb.
Streaking across the field.
All you need is a little motivation. Just break into her house, wait for her to get ready to shower, and then chase her out of the house.
Boom! Kate Upton streaking across a field.
a running game then? I read you.
two running backs with a hundred yrds each. Secondly a win. Then I will be looking forward (counting the days) to spring practice.
I suppose that, for me anyway, just knowing that some of the elements of the future that are with the team now are looking like they are learning and getting ready to do good things. By that, I mean a nice performance from Morris and some significant contributions from our younger RBs, perhaps throwing a good showing by the interior offensive line. I don't have a long wish list of things for a bowl game, but above everything perhaps, a win would be nice just so we can end the season on a good note.
A win and nothing less.
But I expect the absolute worst since it's 2013.
Maybe Michigan can pull off a fluky win. Who knows. I just want to get today over with and put this shit season behind us.
A "fluky" win? Grow a pair, son. With a good game plan, and if Morris can stay calm, we should be able to win this game.
I expect better from you, given your username.
just seeing a functional O-Line and some good runs from Smith and Green.
Morris looking good enough at times to think he could be the guy next year if Devin is injured.
A defense that tackles in the open field.
Even a close loss, say 32-28 like last year, isn't the end of the world if I see we have a lot of good to look forward to next year and in '15.
We'll have something like 9 starters back on D next year, and 8 on offense if you consider Green/Smith our RB starters.
I won't have much patience if I see the same kind of offense that played in the 2nd half vs. Sparty.
p.s. I think we all understand Al is back regardless.
basically seeing u of m play will do it for me, although a win would be wildly enjoyable!
Talked to some K-State fans at the parade this morning who say the prevailing view from their side is that they just hope they can stay close and not embarrass themselves...
They had a parade for this bowl?
It is actually the Fiesta Bowl parade.
That's... an argument.
Simple...00:00 on the clock and than waking up Jan 1st and being done with 2013. The result of this game for me means squat.
wrought by us upon them.
all the M fans in the stands cheering everything Michigan... the team, the band, the cheerleaders and dance team... and not have to listen to a bunch of whiny fans criticizing the play calling all night.
some games this season where the offense showed some real life. I am not sure I can think of as many games when the defense showed up in the same way. That's what I'd like to see tonight....a dominant, from start to finish, defensive performance.
Offense: No turnovers, solid play by the O-line.
Defense: less than 20 points allowed, solid pass rush.
I'm confident we'll see these 4 things. If we don't, then I'll just pretend this season never happened, and I'll go into 2014 confident anyway.
would love to see
- a win
- signs of continued player development from the extra weeks of practice/time to heal
- a coherent & productive 4 quarter offensive gameplan from Al
- the OL succesfully stopping the blitzes &
- to see shane settle down quickly and get some early passes in to build confidence
how to measure continued player development is hard to describe, for me its more of a 'you know it when you see it' ...
I heard the announcer mention during the nd/rutgers game that if ND won (which they did) michigan has to win tonight to keep claim on being #1 in the all-time winning percentage stat.. i knew ND were close but wasnt aware it was that close - makes a win tonight even more important IMO.
that looks like a D1 football program from a major conference.
Lewan not getting in a fight, not being thrown out of the game and not flipping off the crowd as he departs the field. Actually, an offensive game plan that seems to make sense would do it for me.
For me, it's almost all on the O-Line.
Competency from the offensive line, create same lanes for the running game after performing well against a very good OSU front 7.
Give Shane some time to survey the field, make good decisions and get his confidence going. Not saying he doesn't have confidence, but having confidence in practice and confidence in a game are two very different things. He's just a freshman at the end of the day.
I'd like to say pressure from the D-Line, but if we haven't seen it by now, I'm not banking on seeing it at all until (hopefully) next year.
Lastly, I'm not expecting Shane to win this game for us. I expect him to play like a freshman. But I'd like to see him make some good throws and, most of all, be smart with the football. And I know he's got a cannon for an arm. Hopefully if we're lucky tonight, we'll see him put the deep ball to good use. I'm hoping to see Shane's swag that we've all been hearing about for the past two years.
In a perfect world, I'd like to see the O Line open some holes and keep Shane upright. I'd like to see Borges make some interesting play calls that take advantage of personel. I'd like to see Smith and Green get the vast majority of the carries, hit holes hard, and break tackles. I'd like to see Chesson show the talent he keeps hinting at and catch a few over the top. I'd like to see the D play aggressive at all positions and get pressure on the QB. I'd like to see one last game of ridiculousness from Gallon. And above all, I'd like to see the seniors go out with a win.
However, this is not a perfect world, so I'll settle for no injuries and for the team to play like a division 1 team (that is, not 0.9 ypc, not 7 for 28 with three picks, not have every third play for negative yards). Win or lose, I just want to see a good showing from them, so I don't head to the offseason with any added misery.
that the center will hold, that mere anarchy won't be loosed upon the world.
I would like to see defensive domination, and offensive competence. Put the two together, we can get a nice win to end the season.
If the line gives Shane any semblance of time to throw I'll feel good. If we can run I'll feel better. If Borges doesn't shit the bed completely I'll sink further into the state of delusion (feel relieved) that says he's an OK OC when we can run the rock.
-Line allowing QB time in the pocket
-Established running game
-Shane Morris showing confidence
-Removing big plays
-Getting off the field on 3rd & longs
-Ability to get to the QB
Both: Win T/O battle
Vote. Good OL play.
in all facets of the game
Hopefully it won't be necessary......if we are behind with less than a minute to go I would like the control room at BWW to set off the sprinklers and send the game to OT.
Shane playing well enough to become the favorite for the Heisman next year would be nice too
Some signs of a a natural pass rush from the DL
LB's making quick reads and making some plays near the line of scrimmage. Keeping contain will be a big key to winning.
a competent running game that includes the OL opening up holes and the RB's hitting said holes and then either breaking a tackle or two or making the first guy miss here and there.
A somewhat creative offensive game plan.
I would also like to see Dymonte Thomas blitz. This isn't really something that will make me feel relieved or opptimistic on a macro level but he will hopefully be a defensive playmaker and I would like to see him unleashed a bit in the bowl game even if its in a one dimensional manner.
Signs that the future will be better than the past.
7 Lineman blocking,
6 receivers catching,
5 running backs.
3 tight ends,
and a quarterback to help us next year!
a solid performance by the offence.