BillyShears

August 29th, 2009 at 2:30 AM ^

That was a pretty brutal "connection". They are all Michigan quarterbacks except one guy. What do Miguel Cabrera, Clete Thomas, Fredi Dolsi, Gerald Laird and Sid Bream have in common? They were all coached by Jim Leyland! I don't mean to be a dick but its 230 am and I'm mad at myself for choosing to watch Valkyrie instead of Appaloosa.

I Wrote a 4 Wo…

August 29th, 2009 at 2:36 AM ^

As a topic for a Michigan football blog that has about one Tebow topic per week, I'd say it's kind of an intriguing topic. The quarterbacks coach of our last 4 quarterbacks (not counting last year obviously) is now coaching him. And I'd say college football is different than MLB just for the fact that players only have 4 years to play and there aren't nearly as many players changing teams & such. So for a coach to coach our guy (Henne) in a game against Tebow, and then to coach Tebow in college is a pretty rare situation. And no problem. Haha.

jmblue

August 29th, 2009 at 2:42 AM ^

The legend of Loeffler is overblown. He was a teammate (not a coach) of Griese's, and he was a grad assistant in 1998-99 when Brady was starting. He then went to CMU (2000-01) before coming back here in 2002 as our QB coach. Loeffler may have done some work with Griese, Brady and Henson, but he was just another faceless cog in the machine at the time. Stan Parrish was their actual QB coach.

bigstick

August 29th, 2009 at 11:01 AM ^

I call BS on this article and the "legend of Loeffler". Loeffler was a UM freshman in 1993, was redshirted, did not play in 1994, and took a few snaps in clean-up duty in 1995, then didn't play again in 1996. His shoulder injury cost him his playing career and, as a 5th year senior in 1997, he was a "student coach". As jmblue points out, he was a grad assistant in 1998 (Brady's senior/junior year) and 1999 (Brady's 5th year) before moving to CMU with DeBord (yes, THAT DeBord). I'm willing to stand corrected, but I don't recall any great QBs coming out of CMU during the DeBord / Loeffler regime. When Loeffler returned in 2002, Navarre was already a senior/junior. Loeffler then recruited and coached Henne for four years. That's his resume: Navarre for 2 years, Henne for 4. If one believes that Navarre improved significantly in his last two years, or that Henne was much better as a senior than he was as a freshman, you're in the camp that thinks Loeffler did a great job. If one believes that Navarre was a serviceable QB before and after Loeffler returned; that the QB opportunities and careers of Gutierrez and Richard were mismanaged to a fare-thee-well; and that Henne left UM as essentially the same QB that came to UM, then you're in the camp that cannot begin to comprehend the Loeffler hype. None of this should be taken to imply that Loeffler isn't an excellent person, good coach, or doesn't have "great potential". It is offered only to clear up the record. This article, and the ability to access similar articles on the "internets", has led to the development of the "legend of Loeffler" to which jmblue refers. It is an excellent object lesson in how sloppy, non-fact-checking sources in the internet age can eventually lead to a complete misrepresentation of the facts. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen the "facts" set forth in this article perpetuated on various UM message boards (but seldom here, I should add, probably because this is the most intelligent UM board out there - by a damn sight). To give Loeffler credit for the development of Griese, Brady or Henson, you have to believe that Loeffler was doing it as a bench-warming, injured player, a "student coach", and a first year grad assistant - instead of giving credit to an established and well-respected QB coach (Parrish). To give Loeffler credit for Navarre, you first have to establish that some credit is due, then you have to conclude that Loeffler's two years with Navarre overshadowed Parrish's three years with JN. And when you give Loeffler credit for Henne, you have to ignore his role in the "development" of Gutierrez, Richard and Mallett (and, perhaps, Forcier). Hey, I watched LBJ get off a plane in 1966. That doesn't mean that I advised him on US policy in Vietnam.

jmblue

August 29th, 2009 at 11:46 AM ^

I'll give him some credit for Navarre. Navarre wasn't a very good QB in 2001, then was a solid player in '02 and a pretty good one in '03. Having said that, we've had a lot of QBs go through a similar progression (Griese, Henson, and Brady to an extent), so a lot of it may have just been a function of Navarre learning through experience. I do suspect that Parrish could have gotten about the same production out of him. I agree on Henne - he seemed to be largely the same player as a senior that he was as a freshman (in fairness, he was very good as a frosh).