is if this means more or less blitzing. seriously
What is the defensive scheme without Floyd?
Sarcasm has done you in a bit when you have to say seriously after a comment
Is that possible?
Is straight man to man, with help over the top. The younger DB's IMO are better at man coverage than zone. Also I'm really sick and tired of the cushion the opposing WR's are getting in these zone schemes.
Let's see some man press cover 2, with some heat on the QB. We need to send pressure up the middle. If we do that we will cut the field in half for Shithouse. We did the same thing against Teblow in the Cap One Bowl.
With multiple wide receivers in man coverage, there would be no safety over the top. Either that or no pass rush. With no help over the top, big plays would occur. With no pass rush, someone is bound to get open.
really? thats not even clever
is telling me to pronouce that "shith ouse" and not "shit house".
Don't you mean the Crap One Bowl? See what I did there?
It will be the same as its been all season.
1. Rush 3 - get no pressure
2. Drop cornerbacks to 15 yards behind LOS
3. Allow QB to throw to wide open receiver
4. Don't tackle
Glad I won't be around to see it. I'm going on a nice picnic with the girl and forgetting about football for a Saturday. My heart needs a break.
Don't tell your girlfriend that...
Double post. Damn you computer gremlins!
I don't know how many times we've held the other team to a 3rd and long, only to have the opponent easily convert. It's gotten to the point where the longer the down, the more I expect something terrible to happen. There is seemingly no increased probability of a punt as the distance on 3rd down goes up for this defense. That just doesn't make any sense.
That would be what we have been playin this whole time, have a 15 yard cushion for the cornerback
It is an awesome scheme, just punt block every play. It works every time, I know because I do it on NCAA '10 and I never get burned.
+1, love the jungle lingo
Lots of prayer and lots to drink.
I think we should just all out blitz on every play. Worst case scenario: we get scored on quickly and get the ball back to our offense to score more points, then hope we end up with the ball last. Best case scenario we get the ball back quickly without the other team scoring. It's an improvement either way you look at it.
At the same token blitzing will disrupt the timing of the pitches, hopefully creating enough confusion to allow for the rest of the D to flow to the ball. You're right that it could leave us vulnerable to long runs but I'd say if we keep doing the same thing we have, the long runs will happen regardless.
I told my friend we might as well blitz every down, too. Rush three, give opposing QB all day to throw, give opposing receivers all day to find the hole, our secondary is gonna get shredded...again. But rush like eight, give opposing QB just seconds to throw, pray our secondary can cover a receiver for two or three seconds...I like those odds! Worst case we give up a big play and get the ball back quicker instead of painfully watching our defense failing to stop 3rd and 15s two or three times each drive.
Redshirt Freshman with the 111th best passing attack in the country.
Pressure him and make him make bad decisions. If he proves good enough (i.e. calm enough) to complete quick slants and/or can run a la Juice Williams then they will win. If he is rushed and throws incomplete passes on 3rd down and/or a couple picks then we win.
Just don't let him have 4-7 seconds to pick apart Talbott-Avery-Rogers-Christian-Vinopal.
I think I want to cry. 4/5 are freshman, and Rogers plays like a freshman.
Grab your kleenex because here comes more:
Vinopal (FS), C. Gordon (Spur), Avery (CB), and Rogers (CB) have 10 career starts at their current positions... combined.
Vinopal - 1 - PSU; C. Gordon - 1 - PSU; Avery - 0; Rogers - 8 - all in his Senior season.
why, hello there unopened bottle of jack
the defensive scheme w/ him? *sarcasm*
UM vs PSU is being replayed on ESPNU right now. If anyone wants to review how not to defend 3rd downs,
that Penn St. HAD any 3rd downs in that game...
no need, but thanks. has been replayed in my nightmares every night this week....
All UM fans have known this for 20 years.
Maybe complete and total desperation will make a light go on somewhere.. not a lot to being hanging your hat on..
I know everyone is going to hate this, but it's going to be a conservative stay-in-your-rush lanes defense. We have to make them execute down the field and not give up the big play.
However, I hope we pack the box and make them throw, because he's not that good of a passer.
Scheelhaase has completed 61 percent of his passes (102-for-166, 10 touchdowns, seven interceptions) and is Illinois' second-leading rusher with 538 yards.
He was 16 for 20 against Purdue with 4 TDs and no interceptions. Purdue's defense is better than ours.
He'll have a good day.
Pain, pain and more eye bleeding pain?
GERG: " Hey, I tell yah what, we ain't even gone take the field on this series. How 'bout that!?? WILDCARD, BITCHES YEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW!!!!"
This defense needs to be more aggressive. We shouldn't blitz every play, but we should try to bring a ton of heat on the Frosh QB and make him make tough throws down the field. Even if we give up some big plays, we may end up getting some more stops (and maybe..a turnover!?) than we would if we just sit back and play Cushy McCusherson pillow defense all game (which we cant even play anyways).
+1 for "Cushy McCusherson".
Blitz 7 and instruct the other four players to hold any receiver that they are close to. Put the game in the refs hands to penalize us 50 times - I bet they blow a few calls in our favor.
I endorse this plan.
I bet it will be a fun week of practice if they go with this strategy.
Option A - send sorority houses to opposing team hotel, hope the girls can wear them out enough for us to win a shootout the next day.
Option B - set all clocks in opposing team hotel back by 6 hours while they're asleep. Cover windows with night scenes.
Option C - hire sprinkler operator guy from Buffalo Wild Wings commercials.
"They're a little bit too good
to cover man-to-man..."
I guess this would only work for one play though. Maybe we could use it on a crucial third down.
From the comments I see most of the fanbase has actually lost their minds.
Man press coverage with help over the top? You realize the "help over the top" is more than likely not going to come in time because it's either slow, a true freshman or both, right? Oh, and the corners are all true freshman or effectively true freshmen. Oh, and none have any experience playing bump and run.
Blitz every down? Let's face it, we probably aren't going to get to the QB before there's a few people wide open. Making them wider openerer doesn't help much. Also, leaving the middle of the field open for some open field tackles from our band of true freshman should be fun.
Reduce the cushion? Doesn't really matter or help. All that does is make them score sooner rather than later.
Sorry guys - nothing can be done to help. Either the other team screws up, or it scores. Our defense is just there to distract the other team. Purdue and maybe Illinois will manage to screw up; Wisconsin and OSU will not.
Spoken like a true captain obvious. I like the conviction in your words. Plus, I completely agree.
Hope and pray that Rusty Hilger is the oppositions starting QB.
I know it's more fun to just make jokes, but if you want a serious answer to your question.
Illinois runs a lot of option football so we need to be assignment sound. You just can't go of blitzing every down or you'll be toast. Also, it is hard to run a lot of man to man against an option ground team because of the lanes it opens up if the guys break contain.
The plan should/will be to stack the box on 1st down and try to win 1st down and get them off script and "gulp" force them to pass. If we can force them into passing situations I would then bring a lot of zone pressure. A lot of zone pressure(cb blitz off the edge) could work good since they are not good at tackling or covering and in theory would keep Steelchase inthe pocket, they could cause some quick throws and leave the tackling to Mouton, Kovacs, Demens and Gordon.
I agree. Also, Illinois is a comparable offense to our offense with Tate at the helm. They are not identical obviously but the concept is similar. Scheelhasse is a slightly more mobile version of Tate with about the same passing skills.
I think if Tate were to be running the scout that would be ideal. It would give them a realistic look at what Saturday will be like. But I know the backup QB will not be running scout team.
As many other posters have mentioned, we are already the worst passing defense in the country but that does not mean we can not get worse. That just means our ranking will not fall when we get worse.
If we play assignment football, do not over run plays, and stick to our gaps we have a chance. If we do not expect a long day. Either way the score will be over 30 for both teams most likely.
We agree but one major differnce is that Tate is a way better passer than Steelchase. I would not want to play Tate with this d. Steelchase will turf a lot of balls. I think confusion of his keys will be key because he doesn't throw much.
Well no sense in arguing about the comparison. Either way Scheelhasse is a good QB. A competent passer and above average runner, which is a dangerous threat for our D.
That and one of you thinks Steelchase is going to start, while the other thinks Scheelhasse is going to start.
I suspect Scheelhaase will start.
not all out blitz, but given that our LB zone drops are consistently bad, just send 1 of them routinely in passing situations - still leaves 6 in coverage, allowing 2- or 3-deep will reasonable underneath coverage. I'd rather have Roh, Demens or Mouton blitizing than the extra guy in coverage
The extra work in practice will really help Avery in the game. As a non-starter, I'm sure Avery was only getting nickel package reps prior to this injury. For positive thinking, that's all I've got.
If we get a blizzard we should be able to limit Illinois to under 40 points. Go Snow!!!
Does anyone else think this might not make much difference? What's the worst that could happen, that our pass defense falls out of last place?
At least the young guys are getting real experience. It's going to be bloody, but it's always been bloody. C'est la vie.
Honestly the simplest D is man or cover 3. These are the basic coverages that my crappy high school team used. Cover 3 was basically 2 CBs and the deep safety split deep thirds of the field and the box safety plays short yardage to the strong or twins side.
woodson on one side of the field. everyone else on the other.
Our new scheme, 4-4 (ala roh de) with the safety up.
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do what he wants to do as far as schemes. If it looks half decent then we know he is able. If not, well, enough said
the scheme, the scheme, the scheme." - Blown Schemebelcher
I'm still trying to figure out what the Defensive scheme was before Floyd got hurt.
Sadly, I think that mtxgoblue has it right though...
I do not think Floyd's injury changes strategy. Illinois' offensive plan will be ball control football, largely through running the ball. They do not want a shootout. M should commit to stopping the run. Make the young QB's arm beat your defense, not his ability to run or Leshoure's running. M must accept the risk of big plays in order to get some stops. With M's O, and its ineffective D, this is a worthy tradeoff.
any QB can throw on us it appears
WITH JT Floyd?
Doesnt matter who plays CB...Robinsons scheme is to line the corners up 10-11 yards off the WR...for whatever reason...I think its shit...You cant play cover 2 because that will leave Vinopal and Kovacs with the deep half. I would like to see a little more man from the CBs and LBs in a zone and a tighter cover 3 more like 6-8 yards off the ball. I want the CBs to jam the WR's...you cant have the WR running all these underneath routes and flat routes or we are gonna get killed. Oh and Please someone cover the damn RB on those stupid flare routs or flat routes...COME ON MAN!
We were doomed before, we are doomed now. The only thing that we may be slightly more exposed on is deep bombs.
That said...anyone think that, if RRod survives this year, that this would be a good thing, by getting the Freshman in?
All Skill position guys are going both ways. I've seen the TOP stats, it's not like they're running THAT much right now anyway.
STOP THE OPTION.
At this point, would blitzing really do any good? We never seem to get to the QB, and when we do Nate will just dump off a screen pass for 30+ yards. No win situation here.
Not that it'll happen and i'm sure we'll still get burnt now and again, why don't the coaches just line up in a 4-3 look. Nothing else is working so why not go back to the basics. These kids are athletes and have enough raw speed and talent that there is a chance they will be in the right spot at least a few times in the game to make a play. Two over the top, your corners playing man, and then you drop Roh to DE and play Demens, Mouton and either give Ezeh another shot or put Cam at WLB because at least he wants to hit people (even though he hardly wraps up). We have the size on the line to at least be formidable and that will let Roh play how he wants and I think free up Martin to cause havoc in the backfield even on two bad ankles now. We can still mix things up in this formation and blitz and swap people in and out, but when all else fails shouldn't you go back to the "basics"? Even if this scheme isn't taught, what football player, coach, fan, mind, etc doesn't understand the basic 4-3? Just a thought ... take it for what it is.
So you're implying that we actually had a scheme?
Our defensive strategy will be much prayer and sacrifice leading up to this game...
But all the talk is about Scheelhaase when he has one of the better receivers in the Big 10 to throw to in A.J. Jenkins. Sure they will establish the run with LeShoure, Ford, and Pollard but Jenkins is the big play receiver that kills Michigan defenses and Michigan fans like us.
Scheelhaase is a decent QB, but he throws a good number of picks. If only MIchigan had a rushing defense of any description, they might win this game. They don't, so they won't.
Sean Robinson of Purdue is a horrible QB and will be dee-stroyed by Wisconsin this weekend in all likelihood.
Mark it down. Loss to Illinois. Win at Purdue. Close loss at home to Wiscy. Close loss to OSU in Columbus. 6-6 bowl eligible plus bowl win and a better-than-believed recruiting finish.
In terms of easiest for a freshman to run, man coverage is probably the universal answer.
Problem is, as others have mentioned that is not a particularly effective defense against Illinois' offeensive scheme.
I'd suspect they don't change anything. Why would they now....?