Welp, even if they are fucking morons, the SEC is certainly consistent. What a crock.
I think that is one of the major problems with the big ten. There is no leadership and there is limited solidarity. It seems to me that historically, the big ten has tried not to play (or play it well) when it comes to politics. The NCAA is a representative body--thus a political one. While it is admirable that big ten schools try to stay above the political fray, I think there has been costs. Until, the big ten decides to play ball like JFMH, I think we are relegated backrooms and cigar smoking.
IF this should get overturned by the NCAA BOD later this month (I think they will save face with a modified, limited sat camp proposal) then Delaney should be next to get overturned as B1G commish.
He flubbed this right from the beginning and made that inane comment so now he's stuck in la la land unable to speak up for what has become a popular movement in favour of his conference.
Maybe I am off here, but Delaney needs to take ownership of the Big Ten. Instead of staring in the mirror rubbing one off, recanting how brilliant of an idea the bigten network was, he needs to makes sure that the bigten has a unified front on all major issues. And when you have asshats that go rogue such as Kurt and Mork--phone calls are made and spankings are given—if need be, call in AP.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:26 PM ^
I can't really fault Delaney for this particular issue. The B1G voted for the camps. He was also publicly supportive of the camps when the SEC first complained. Once it became clear that the ACC was going to be the SEC's bitch, it was going to come down the Big 12 and Pac 12, which both allowed satellite camps at the time. He can't force the Pac 12 or Big 12 to vote a certain way. Those two leagues ended up voting against the interest of the majority of their schools. Aside from telling both leagues to not be idiotic with their votes, there wasn't anything he could do.
I'd back you, but I think so much of the voting went like that exposed tonight on the part of The Sun Belt's Conference. I have no idea if they used different tactics on each conference, but there is simply no way these people, without being assured of future gain of some type are going to vote against the interests of their constituency. We all have our price is I guess what the the Sun Belt's message was. As soon as Leach said he hadn't seen the wording, I knew how they voting was handled and it stinks. Yeah, it's only logical to not notify the football coach.
This is a clusterfuck that is growing so rapidly I don't believe a show dog could jump over it without losing one of his balls. It's only going to get worse.
In addition to their tradition and history, but not nearly as well publicized is the fact the SEC has, does and always will pay for it's advantages, without compunction. This year they wanted Emmert and they bought him.
I'm sure Pitt is the first ACC school kids have in mind to go camp at. And I thought I already didn't like the guy.
Furthermore, it blows my mind that 99.9% of the coaches (yes, even the SEC ones) probably used these camps when they were assistants or head coaches at {insert non P5 college} and now they are suddenly against them.
Yeah but from his perspective it's two benefits in one. He gets to show solidarity with the ACC AND he gets to stick it to Michigan. Dumb as it is for him, I don't think he's doing much thinking beyond step one here.
Do not let this bother you guys so much. This ban impacts Michigan very little even if stays intact (which I do not think it will long term). We do not need sleeper recruits because we are a badass program who can get the best of the best.
It will certaintly impact MAC schools and less prestigious football programs like Iowa State, Purdue, and even Vanderbilt/Kentucky in a sense. The sun is going to come up tomorrow for Jim Harbaugh as he reels in another top five recruiting class.
I am somewhat happy this has happened, because it has pissed off our entire team and most of the country. It's GO time and Big Ten Championship time. 2016 is going to be a special year for Michigan athletics.
I never felt the camps actually were for finding players to recruit. What it does though is shows the other recruits, maybe younger kids, maybe even kids who are in the area but do not attend the camp, that Harbaugh is a DUDE and not just a GUY. Don't kid yourself, it's a big deal for us despite not really getting big-time recruits directly from the camps.
Michigan doesn't need sleeper recruits but those sleeper recruits will over time lead to bigger recruits. From Michigan's perspective, the satellite camps were about building relationships and getting exposure in Florida, the South, Texas, Southern California, areas that Michigan has for the most part neglected. Carr did OK in California and Rodriguez did OK in Florida, but for the most part they recruited the Midwest. Hoke almost exclusively recruited the Midwest.
From 2004 to 2014. MIchigan signed 1 player out of Alabama. In the 18 months that Harbaugh has been coach, Michigan has signed 3 out of Alabama. They may not be 4 or 5 stars, but they are seeds of a potential pipeline that Michigan is building. Sustained camps in Alabama will eventually lead 4 and 5 stars from Alabama to strongly conisder Michigan.
This is what concerns SEC coaches. Michigan has a unique value proposition to offer players from the South. High level football that equals anything in the SEC and high level education, a combination that really only Florida comes close to matching. Sure, Harbaugh could start knocking down doors across the state of Alabama without having to hold camps, but it's different from going down there and actually seeing kids play, building relationships with multiple coaches who are in attendence, and just basically promoting Michigan to kids who otherwise only see and hear about Alabama and Auburn 24/7.
is ok with the ban. Fuck him and fuck Penn State.
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That idiot was doing them a couple years ago (and was the only reason I heard of this concept). I guess he was tired of going everywhere and people asking him where Gob was.
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Where is Gob?
Exactly! Ferentz spent the whole time taking about how his camps across Iowa and Missouri were effective... but they should be banned... Huh?
It's not just corn....there's bean fields too!!!
If this gets overturned/modified Ferentz/Iowa shouldn't be allowed back to SMSB. His position is part of the reason SMSB has a questionmark over it right now.
Jim Delaney has all the spine and fortitude of a wet noodle.
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Hide your puppies.
We need our student-athletes to go pro in something other than managing car rental locations.
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You don't seem to understand how this works. It's not about students declaring they won't attend a school because of the rule. It's about kids losing the opportunity to attend a camp and being seen and then receiving an offer from a school thay may not be the sponsor of the camp. Look at Meyers' and Fitzgerald's comments to see how kids are hurt. It's unlikely that many players will boycott a school because it supported the rule.
Brian Kelly says he's not bothered by the ban, says it's whatever since you can still host expensive camps at your school...............
and yet he was at SMSB last year...........
Hrm.
I think that just shows how valuable (or not) he felt the SMSB experience was for ND. Sure, he'll go if he can. But if he can't, and all of the elite Detroit athletes are driving down to South Bend for his camp every year anyway, does it really matter?
I don't see the issue. Makes sense to me.
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There are so many paths that Harbaugh can take this ...
- "Look, we WANT you to evaluate as many opportunities as possible; because we know that you'll see what makes Michigan different."
- "While some coaches in the SEC don't want to work very hard, those programs that are most successful know that the highest levels of success comes from outworking everybody."
- "How hard do you think you'll have to work to make it to the NFL? Our staff has is made up of former NFL coaches; you'll be ready for Sundays because you'll have outworked everyone else."
- "Certain coaches in our own conference aren't interested in putting in the time and effort to even recruit players who can make a difference; how do you think that translates onto the field? Their recent results speak for themselves."
- Etc.
UCLA, USC, and Cal in favor
Stanford abstained
Everyone else opposed
That makes sense given the school locations and personalities. But their strange vote in favor is still being researched? And if Pac12 votes no on the ban, then it's a tie and the current rule stays in effect? So then the UCLA guy that voted for the Pac12 vote was the deciding vote. Here is something for all you conspiracy theorists to investigate. Remember: "follow the money"
Yeah, it's super odd the PAC 12 was against this. All four in the Pacific Northwest plus Utah and Colorado support camps, some of them very strongly.
All four of the California schools plus the two Arizona schools must have voted against it. That would have it as a 6-6 tie. Wonder who gets the tiebreaker or what the procedure is.
Which is really stupid given USC's strange voodoo over LA area prospects, you'd think he'd want to give UCLA(a highly ranked academic institution with decent athletics) as many angles to recruit out of area kids as possible.
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Unless he is announcing his retirement this afternoon, it won't be soon enough.
Unless he is announcing his retirement 27 years ago, it won't be soon enough.
Fixed it for ya!
Can eat a bag of dicks.
Life is tough. It's tougher when you're stupid.
Someone Franklin managed to spit out a whole paragraph without saying much of anything in it
Some of these statements are so ludicrously illogical.
This is basically what happened:
Jim Harbaugh decided to go teach at a high school. During his first year he decides he's going to start tutoring middle school students after school. This gets a lot of positive attention; parents and students like it because of the greater learning opportunities. The other teachers at the school (1) dont want to work as hard as Harbaugh, (2) dont like that Harbaugh is getting positive attention, and (3) dont like that some students might opt into taking Harbaugh's class in the future because of the positive Harbaugh tutoring sessions. In response, the teachers lobby the school to shutdown all after school tutoring for middle school students. The school bans the practice. Students suffer. The end.
God James Franklin is stupid. So, so, stupid.
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His Vanderbilt tenure was a fluke...pure, dumb luck. Almost feel sorry for Penn State....almost.
"We've done them the last two years [in the Midwest], just the chance to get out and see more prospects. Me personally, I'd prefer it the way it just got passed today. In my opinion, I think camps should be done on your campus." - Kirk Ferentz
I don't understand this coming from Kirk Ferentz at all. I mean, among the schools in the Big Ten, you would think Iowa would be all about trying to get people to come to Iowa to play football because it takes a marketing campaign historically to get "Iowa City" onto someone's list as it is. This is a weird stance for him to take unless he - like others - just didn't want to earn that sizeable percentage of the national debt that Iowa owes him.
As for James Franklin, whatever. I didn't expect a better answer.