What are YOUR updated "minutes projections" for MBB?
Just wanted to give the board something to think about while also seeing everyone's opinion.
What's your minutes breakdown for basketball this year? Feel free to do a non-conference season and B1G season due to all of the young players who will progress over the next couple of months.
October 29th, 2013 at 11:43 PM ^
Here's mine...
(by minutes)
PG: Albrecht-20, Walton Jr.-15, LeVert-5
SG: Stauskas-15, LeVert-20, Walton Jr.-5
SF: Robinson III-15, Stauskas-15, Irvin-10
PF: McGary-20, Robinson III-15, Biefeldt-5
C: Morgan-20, Horford-10, McGary-10
October 29th, 2013 at 11:46 PM ^
October 29th, 2013 at 11:48 PM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 1:29 AM ^
After one exhibition you can assert as fact that Walton will get 0 minutes during the year at the two? Wish I has that kind of access into the coaches' minds and foresight into all future injuries.
October 30th, 2013 at 8:44 AM ^
Because at no time during the season will we ever put both Spike and Walton on the floor together? C'mon, just like was the case with Stu and Trey during Burke's freshman year, once tough non-conference/early B1G games come around I expect Walton to start but Spike to essentially be the first man in around the first media timeout. This allows the coaches to explain to Walton what he should be seeing/looking for in running the offense. But if during those minutes Spike plays well, why shouldn't he put both of them in (a la Douglass/Burke) for a few minutes to give the wings a little rest for the second half?
October 30th, 2013 at 9:33 AM ^
Walton and Spike were in together for a stretch in the second half. And Caris played quite a lot of minutes at the point. He's compelling there, too, got out astonishingly quickly on the break again and again.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:51 PM ^
In most people's defense, the game wasn't televised and it is a very small sample who will click through links to find an exhibition online. I watched the first half and admittedly had a poor feed to where it was difficult to distinguish some of the players. I shut it off at half due to the nature of the game, so I appreciate the point of Walton and Albrecht playing together.
October 30th, 2013 at 1:50 PM ^
I'm like Space Coyote...I HATE this. People who think they know what the fuck they're talking about and spew it like it is fact.
LAST NIGHT. ON THE COURT. Walton and Spike played together...Spike was the PG.
STFU if you don't know what you're talking about. Or at least put "I think" in front of your nonsense.
October 29th, 2013 at 11:47 PM ^
October 29th, 2013 at 11:47 PM ^
October 29th, 2013 at 11:52 PM ^
Ya I would say GRIII and Stauskas are not going to be coming off the floor much this year unless the game is well in hand.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:02 AM ^
It doesn't really seem like Beilein has platooned positions in the past. I think somebody wins the point guard spot, while the other has his minutes reduced. We will see how serious Beilien is about running the two post lineup, but GR3 should get Trey-like levels of run this year.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:00 AM ^
Only 5 minutes for Bielfeldt? Is he trending the way McLimans did, where he went from solid bench guy to spell the Bigs for a 5-10 minutes, to not playing much at all? He seems to be a solid defender and good rebounder that could see more minutes at the 4.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:26 AM ^
According to ESPN he averaged 5.3 min last year. I think he might get more time if it takes McGary a little longer to come back or if the bigs get into foul trouble.
October 30th, 2013 at 9:07 AM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 12:00 AM ^
Robinson/ stauskas 35
Mcgary 30
Irvin/ Caris/ Walton 20-25
Spike 10-15
Horford and morgan will combine for about 30 minutes a night.
Rest will be garbage minutes used up by bielfeldt
October 29th, 2013 at 11:59 PM ^
Walton's ceiling is just way higher than Spike's, IMO... Also, I believe he'll be a lot better on D...
I'm most excited for LeVert...
October 30th, 2013 at 12:06 AM ^
PG: Walton 30 / Spike 10
SG: Stauskus 35 / Levert 5
F: GRIII 35 / Levert 5
F: Irvin 25 / Levert 10 / Morgan 5
C: McGary 25 / Morgan 10 / Horford 5
October 30th, 2013 at 1:12 AM ^
You see LEVERT getting the majority of his minutes at power forward, and 3/4's of his minutes in the front court!?
October 30th, 2013 at 8:03 AM ^
As Beilein said that they would be play a 1-2-3-3-5 as opposed to the normal 1-5, I put two Fs - didn't say he would be playing power forward.
October 30th, 2013 at 1:53 PM ^
Last night we started Morgan and Horford even with McGary out.
We're going to be playing 2 bigs at least some of the time. McGary came back to play (majority) PF and GRIII SF. It's clear that's what they're doing.
Of course this won't be set in stone. But what you're proposing is way off.
Also, LeVert is playing more PG than either F spot so it doesn't even matter. He played PG for at least 5 minutes last night.
October 30th, 2013 at 2:10 PM ^
LeVert is playing more PG than either F spot but he only played 5 minutes at PG last night? Did he play 6 total minutes?
October 30th, 2013 at 12:17 AM ^
PG Walton 25 Spike 15
SG Stauskas 20 Irvin 10 Levert 10
SF GR3 35 Stauskas 5
PF McGary 30 Morgan 10
C Morgan 25 Horford 10 McGary 5
We have so many options especially at the 2.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:28 AM ^
October 31st, 2013 at 7:12 AM ^
Lavert is like that. World beater one minute, what the hell is he doing the next.
October 30th, 2013 at 6:28 AM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 2:30 PM ^
the yips at the end of last year, his game just disappeared for a stretch and it happened to be during a time in the season that they could not just let him play his way out of it. I don't think that is going to effect his importance or his role this year. I think Morgan is going to have a really solid year this year.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:22 AM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 12:30 AM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 12:48 AM ^
but it's hard to speculate minute allocations when we have no clue when mcgary will be back. if he's gone long-term, then you're gonna see a little more of max. if he comes back soon, then he's gonna be playing 20-30 minutes (depending on how healthy he is) and that will change everyone else's minutes.
October 30th, 2013 at 1:13 AM ^
This will be more fun in a few games. Tonight couldn't have gone much better re: summer hype though.
October 30th, 2013 at 1:54 AM ^
For meaningful games, I'm gonna go with
PG: Walton (28); Caris (8); Spike (4)
SG: Stauskas (20); Caris (17); Spike (3)
SF: Stuaskas (15); GR3 (15); Irvin (7); Caris (3)
PF: GR3 (22); McGary (10); Irvin (8)
C: McGary (15); Morgan (12); Horford (8); Max = someone in foul trouble
Seems a little low for Spike but, IMO Caris will take those 8 PG minutes from him because I think they will have to get that guy on the floor. If what we saw tonight even resembles what Caris is now, could definetely see him push GR3 back to basically a permanent 4 man resulting in about 32-35 minutes a game for Caris and Stauskas on the wing (Caris some PG) and Robinson at the 4 like last year.
October 30th, 2013 at 6:26 AM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 7:31 AM ^
We have 2.5 first round picks at the 2-4 positions who are older than Irvin and have time in the system. Only so many minutes available and he is probably not going to get the run he would at other schools this year. He did look good just not as good as GR3, stauskas, or Caris who are going to command a lot of minutes between them. Again, these are very good problems.
If Irvin gets more run it is likely because Caris isn't capable of playing close to the level he did tonight, which from reading practice reports,watching the game yesterday along with last season, and taking into account his frame/ability seems unlikely. Alternatively, Irvin would get more run if caris gets significant minutes at PG which seems more likely but time will tell how that will turn out. Walton flashed a lot of potential in his own right. We might also be talking about different things. I think he gets 15 mins in meaningful games when the bench is constricted and will actually play more in the 12 or so free wins we have
#elitebasketballprogramproblems
October 30th, 2013 at 7:56 AM ^
too early, but too fun not to play. My guess:
PG: Walton 23, Levert 10, Spike 7, Jalen Rose 0
SG: Stauskas 20, Levert 13, Irvin 4, Spike 3
SF: GRIII 22, Irvin 10, Stauskas 8
PF: McGary 18, GRIII 12, Morgan 7, others 3
C: McGary 15, Horford 15, Morgan 10
We are so deep with our 1 thorugh 3, While we have years at the 4/5, we don't have enormous talent there in comparison. However, they might be our glue guys and I hope/feel that they will give our team a lot of effort and mental toughness.
Next year, however, we will be looking at the 4/5 and we'll be seeing a big hugh question mark. Hopefully Horford will be solid/healthy next year. But after that, we'll have Biefelt, Donnal, and any freshman. That is not strong at all. And I don't think we'll be able to play small, but if so, it would have to be Irvin playing the PF, which really isn't his position even more than it wasn't GRIII's position. Next year scare me a little for our bigs, but yeah, I'll just enjoy this season first.
October 30th, 2013 at 8:02 AM ^
I actually have no idea. But if my guess is right, than most minutes used
- GRIII - 34
- McGary - 33 (when healthy in big games)
- Stauskas - 28
- Levert - 23
- Walton - 23
- Morgan - 17
- Horford - 15
- Irvin - 14
- Spike - 10
- Others - a few
- Jalen Rose - 0
I guess that looks somewhat correct, except watching Levert yesterday, holy smokes, he was good and should play more than 23 minutes. And Stauskas more than 28 probably. McGary should play less than 33 likely for health reasons. Maybe GRIII will get more minutes at the PF letting Stauskas/Levert get a few more.
October 30th, 2013 at 8:12 AM ^
Burke = 35.3 mins
Timmy = 34.8
Stauskas = 30.5
GR3 = 33.6
2011
Burke = 36.1
Timmy = 34.2
Novak = 33.7
Stu = 30.5
Jmo = 24.4
Which is why it gets hard to argue JB is going to spread the minutes out to a bunch of folks. Would be an outlier if he did.
October 30th, 2013 at 8:37 AM ^
This is a very good point about JB's approach. I think it's more likely that we see a pretty healthy of 30+ mins from Stauskas, GRIII, McGary (when/if healthy otherwise J-mo), and the winner of the Irvin/Levert timeshare. That being said, I think it's likely any night you could see one of Spike/Walton/Horford/J-Mo/(loser of Irvin/Levert) push himself into the 25-30 minute category based on having the hot hand. But Belien has shown his preference to have a rather stable lineup.
October 31st, 2013 at 3:30 AM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 5:25 PM ^
6-9 240 Ricky Doyle,from Flordia. Gotta another big to consider.
October 30th, 2013 at 7:54 AM ^
He has the second highest ceiling on the team. Higher than McGary, only behind GRIII...maybe. His skill set is THAT good. If he makes the leap and starts realizing that potentila he will be a top 3 player on the team and should get those mins accordingly. At the expense of Stauskas and Irvin..somewhat Walton at PG duties.
Levert will get 30mins people one way or another. He is D Mo but a better shot and more defensive hustle (mainly bc he uses less energy on O).
October 30th, 2013 at 8:08 AM ^
I mostly agree. But Stauskas needs his mintues too. If what we saw yesterday remains true for Levert, we should then assume that what we saw yesterday will remain true for Stauskas. He's a little different than last year - aggressively looking to score made him dangerous. Best stat of the day was Stauskas at +101 point differential for the game. Never head of such ridiculousness before.
Stauskas and Levert will both need 30. That will limit a lot of other's minutes, especially Irvin until GRIII moves to the NBA.
October 30th, 2013 at 8:42 AM ^
Forgive the analogy but this reminds me of one of the dominant State teams of the early 2000s, where they had a pass-first PG and a bunch of wing players flying down the court dunking on everyone's faces.
I wonder if some of the minutes logjam will be solved by playing balls to the wall defense and then running running running in transition. We have a legit two-deep now so we can give max effort without worrying about gassing Zack Novak (hallowed be his name).
I mean:
- Walton / Spike
- Stauskas / LeVert
- Irvin / GRIII/LeVert
- GRIII / Horford/Bielfeldt
- McGary / Morgan
Holy pants. Brian seems to think GRIII will play the 4 most of the time (even though the coachs say otherwise), but his added muscle and experience and Irvin's length makes that less terrifying against the bullies of the B10 if that happens.
October 30th, 2013 at 10:24 AM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 10:44 AM ^
Before McGary's return:
PG: Walton 25, Spike 10, LeVert 5
SG: Stauskas 20, LeVert 15, Spike 5
SF: Robinson III 20, Irvin 10, Stauskas 5, LeVert 5
PF: Morgan 15, Robinson III 10, Irvin 10, Bielfeldt 5
C: Horford 25, Morgan 10, Bielfeldt 5
After McGary's return:
PG: Walton 25, Spike 10, LeVert 5
SG: Stauskas 20, LeVert 15, Spike 5
SF: Robinson III 20, Irvin 10, Stauskas 5, LeVert 5
PF: McGary 20, Robinson III 10, Irvin 10
C: Morgan 15, Horford 15, McGary 10 (expect to see this number gradually increase from 0-10 at the expense of Horford/Morgan as McGary gets healthy)
October 30th, 2013 at 11:04 AM ^
GR3 - 39
Stauskas - 35
LeVert - 28
Walton - 27
Morgan - 20
Spike - 15
Horford - 15
Irvin - 12
Bielfeldt - 9
Horford will get more mins if and only if he can avoid foul trouble. Spike will get more minutes if Walton is having a bad night. Irvin will get more minutes depending on how good they grade him out on defense.
October 30th, 2013 at 11:08 AM ^
IF he is able to play the point guard postion,teams are going to be in some serious trouble when they play Michigan. I can't wait to see this team when they are ROLLIN
October 30th, 2013 at 1:52 PM ^
Stauskas plays all 40+ every single game as he is a +/- master. We never lose even a half of basketball all year.
October 30th, 2013 at 2:00 PM ^
Caris' experience, versatility, defense, and improved shooting mean he's going to play 30+ min per game. I agree with the poster above that he has the second highest ceiling on the team (or he's tied for second with Irvin, who remains a less-known quantity). Despite his pedigree, I see Irvin filling Caris' role last year (with maybe a couple extra minutes and shots per game) -- 10 minutes one game, 20 the next, not much beyond that. I also think Caris is going to be an All-B10 player his Jr and Sr. years (i'll admit I might be a little too pro-Caris).
October 30th, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
Best Guess By Big Ten Season...
1: Walton 25, Spike 10, LeVert 5
2: Stauskas 28, LeVert 12
3: Irvin 25, LeVert 10, GRIII 5
4: GRIII 26, McGary 14
5: McGary 16, Morgan 14, Horford 10
Total MPG
GRIII - 31
McGary - 30
Stauskas - 28
LeVert -27
Walton - 25
Irvin - 25
Morgan - 14
Horford - 10
Spike - 10
Beilfeldt - foul trouble action only