BiSB

December 22nd, 2009 at 8:15 PM ^

Truth be told, I was a Joey supporter longer than most. But there isn't much debate that for a #3 overall pick, he didn't pan out. I still think he had the talent, and he failed largely because he wasn't surrounded with talent (but I suppose that's also on Millen.)

Enjoy Life

December 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 PM ^

Yeah, Millen should be ashamed to even go out in public let alone offer "advice" about football.

I love it when Steve Young just blasts him continuously on MNF. Millen looks like a deer in the headlights.

Tim Waymen

December 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 PM ^

I appreciate Mr. Luft having enough sense to not include a coach after only two seasons, but I think he's wrong in many cases. I do think, however, that he might be talking about the most famous, archetypal flops of the 2000s rather than

First of all, the notion of Zook as a flop is ridiculous. I understand that Zook was succeeding Steve Spurrier and underachieved horribly with the huge amount of talent he had, but three 5-loss seasons--while very disappointing and probably grounds for firing in certain places--does not amount to biggest flop. Kragthorpe possibly belongs up there (yes, I know what I've said). Another candidate is Cam Cameron at Miami instead of Spurrier at Washington. Cam Cameron was a disaster there, but flop status might require high expectations, which he did not have.

Holy crap, and how could they forget the XFL? Not that it was expected to compete with the NFL, but that was a huge disaster.

lilpenny1316

December 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 PM ^

I won't defend Cam just because he's a Michigan guy, but he earned that job after being a great OC in the NFL. Who knows what could have happened if he had Pennington. He was too good as an OC for most of the decade to warrant a flop.

And I really think Illinois making the Rose Bowl should've saved him from being high in the list. Then again, look at what Florida did before and after his stint.

Tater

December 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 PM ^

...but the personnel he had to work with was. IIRC, he won more games his first year than the year preceeding him and mre his last year than the year after him. That does not qualify as a "flop." If I were going to grade Spurrier, I would have to give him an incomplete.

Because the establishment in the No Fun League was so against the Fun and Gun, it was called a "flop," but in reality we'll never know if it could have worked.