And not the Knicks.
frank beamer #1
And not the Knicks.
On Jordan: There aren't many high-level athletes with a bigger difference between quality of play (great, obviously) and quality of behavior (mediocre at best).
First of all, the NBA sucks, and I'm convinced they set it up for the Heat to win the championship this year. If you watch any of the games, the Heat get EVERY CALL, to the point where I can't even watch the games anymore because of how horrible it is.
Second: If you don't think the Heat complain about the "physicality" you're not watching the games. At every moment, Lebron or Wade are bitching at the officials, and not once have they ever been T'd up for it.
The Heat are a disgrace to basketball, and the NBA is a disgrace to sports these days.
Look, I'll give you Wade as a complainer. He only has 3 FT in the series so his frustrations are obvious, but he really does go after the refs a lot. He's no worse than other big criers in the playoffs like Pierce, Garnett, West, Melo, JR Smith, and of course Noah.
Joakim Noah complains every time he gets the ball in the paint for a foul. The one over-the-back on him in game 3 was a phantom call, but how he expects to get every call on offense and get away with every push/bump/bodycheck on the other end is absolutely ridiculous. Since the Bulls game is physicality, they are going to foul a lot.
LeBron honestly doesn't even get that many calls. He's shooting 9 FT per game in the series and considering how many times he's been intentionally fouled from behind to prevent layups, he's gotten the bump you should expect after averaging 7 FT per game in the regular season.
OP sucks, this thread sucks, and everyone who puts on their fan blinders on an issue is retarded. The Bulls' only chance to beat the Heat is to outphysical them. And don't compare the Bulls to the bullshit that the bad boys used to pull day in and day out.
It seems that very few people can ever get over their biases and enjoy a tough, competitive series for what it is anymore. All that many want to do is create narratives where none should exist.
Don't be an asshat and call the Bulls dirty thugs while praising what the Pistons did (with much more vigor) years ago.
He's not calling out the Bulls for being dirty thugs, he's calling them out for being whiners. Reading comprehension for the win.
Second, calling people out for being biased and then calling the Bad Boys bullshit is hypocritical. You might not like the Bad Boys and how they played, but you're totally biased if you don't recognize that their basketball was world-class.
"World class"? Wow, so throwing people into the stands and shrugging your shoulders like it was nothing is world class basketball? Ok then...how many championship did those "world class" teams win?
Who were the big dogs after 1990?
2004 - different team, different style altogether.
Are you seriously saying that winning a world championship, let alone two in a row, doesn't make you world class? Seriously?
I do not think that word/phrase means what you think it means.
Yeah, that guy is clearly an idiot.
Who did they have to play that was worth a damn?
To win in the 80's you had to get by the Lakers, Celtics, Sixerd, Bulls, and Pistons. Not quite a storied battle with Utah, Phoenix, or Seattle, but yeah.
As Memphis, San Antonio, and Indiana all look primed to reach the conference finals, you should bite your tongue about big market biases having an impact. Even Miami is a much smaller market than Chicago not that that one fits the small market archetype.
Since 1980 24 of the 33 NBA champions have come from Top 10 media markets. If you include the 11th biggest media market, then 27 of the 33 NBA champions have come from the top markets. That's something like 80% of your championships coming from the top 30% of your media markets over three+ decades.
Coincidence? Sure, could be. But when it doesn't pass the eye test, when you've got things like the Donaghy scandal, when you've got David Stern whitewashing the obvious conncetions to other refs in the scandal, then the simplest, best, and most likely explanation is that the NBA reffing is biased.
Edit: for comparison, I quickly looked up NFL, MLB, and NHL stats too. NFL number is 21/33 from top media markets, MLB number is 17/33, NHL is 13/33. I'm calling shenanigans on the NBA.
I haven't watched an NBA game in years becuz the refs were so bad it looked fake. When I flip through the channels and I see a game on I will watch it for like two minutes and when I see someone driving to the basket and draws a foul when nobody even touches them, I just shake my head and keep flipping through the channels. Im not sure how the tv announcers do their jobs with a straight face. They will show a replay and they will describe the play as its playing in slow motion and then you will see there wasn't anyone that even touched them for the foul. Its very bad and I wish it wasnt like that.
I love all the comments on here about how bad the NBA product is, and how it's a horrible league. Meanwhile the NBA is posting record profits, TV ratings, and of the 4 sports leagues, definitely has the birghtest future.
Just because it's successful doesn't mean it's good.
I'm pretty sure that being successful means you're good on some levels. Bad things don't make money
As long as concussions and player safety do not sink the league, the NFL has the brightest past, present, and future in this country. I think the more interesting comparison is with NCAA basketball. As Michigan fans we were blessed with perhaps the most fun team to watch in the country and a run to the championship game. But the rest of the sport is languishing in the Wisconsin plague.
I can't believe how quickly non-NBA fans throw NBA officials under the bus when the state of NCAA officiating isn't much better. The balance of allowing physicality and calling fouls is better in the NBA right now. I know a lot of people prefer the college game for the passion, environments, and unpredicability (including me) but the quality of the NBA playoffs is simply higher these days. As far as the NBA regular season, it needs to be chopped down to 62 games or so, but that's another conversation.
Regarding the concussions, I just think we're at a tipping point right now. For sure, if there's no concussion issues then the NFL=king, but I just think if an of these lawsuits go against the leagues, then the NFL, and to an extent the NHL, suddenly have very very grim futures. Guess we'll see what happens.
As far as the NBA/NCAA fouling, I agree. And I found it hilarious that Rick Pitino of all coaches, has been one of the more outspoken people about loosening up the college game
How exactly does it have the brightest future?
Well, like I said, they're posting record profits, and have record viewership. Even the NBA D-League is starting to churn out profits on a larger scale. And by all the accounts the overseas game is just about ready to undergo another serious boom, with the possible emergence of India
Second, there's been rumours about the NBA dropping the Olympics, and starting up their own World Cup, think of FIFA, and if that happens, that's even more money.
Thirdly, just look at expansion. For all the complaining about "big markets" on here, the league put a team in Oklahoma City (barely top-50, and is smaller than the great cities like Norfolk/Grand Rapids/Birmingham), and that team is a huge success. And there's a multi-hundred million dollar fight over whether the Kings should stay in Sacramento, or go to Seattle, and if they still stay in Sacramento, Seattle is going to get a team eventually, and that's more money.
Finally, the future of the NBA doesn't have a huge medicinal cloud hanging over it. For the time being, the NFL/NHL have concussions to worry about, and that can get ugly real fast
Serious question, are their tv contracts gonna take the jump that MLB tv contracts are going to? MLB is going to see a giant increase with all the new TV contracts, will the NBA see similar deals at any point? I've no idea about the finances of the NBA, but I just don't see the NBA getting local tv contracts to approach the ones in MLB, or national tv contracts that will compare with the NFL.
The basketball version of the world cup sounds interesting, but we'll have to see how much that really benefits the NBA itself. I'm not really sure the World Cup has a significant impact on the Premeire league, but I admit that's my completely baseless speculation. The World Baseball Classic hasn't really had any impact on baseball at all, most people don't watch it. I'd imagine whatever basketball does will be more like the WBC than the World Cup.
This thread is an epic bitch fest.
I've seen complaints about the Bulls playing rough, David Stern, the NBA's quality of play, LeBron, people who hate LeBron, the city of Chicago, the referees, and several other topics.
I'll refrain from weighing in as I have a horse in the race (from Chicago) and love the NBA (considering I grew up in Chicago in the 90s, I don't think anyone should be surprised).
What I will say is this. Pistons fans, let it go. Our teams are no longer rivals. Don't be Illini fans.
I cant believe this thread is still up.
Anyways, I will go a step further...there isn't one shredd of schadenfreude in Chicago's case. They playing on house money and still have a minimal chance to make some noise in the series. The Heat are the biggest whiners in all sports and to suggest otherwise makes you, OP, sound like a few of UofM's biggest rivals.
Just remember six rings in ten years. Best NBA player of all-time. I think Chicago Bulls fans can back pocket those accomplishments for a long time.
MJ's teams did in fact change the way the nba was reffed and the Pistons were the team that was on the otherwise of that development.
Fortunately for us Pistons fans we won back to back championships before that happened and were one of the few teams that mj's when it could still be done. This Bulls team is not in the same stratosphere as those Pistons teams. The irony of them longing for bad boy basketball though should not be lost on an old time Chicago fan. The Heat are not close to the prima donnas pippen and mj were.
The Pistons have won a championship this Millenium. And with LeBron around, it could be a really long time before the Bulls get another. Let us know when you accomplish something without Jordan, then we can talk.
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Screw both of them. Both teams have huge whiners.
like a bunch of thugs against the Heat. No other word describes them near as well.