$$ material on scout, so no can post. But it will be out soon enough. Not one of the top-top guys, but a solid player.
We have a new committment
Is it a double-secret, silent commitment?
It is until user k06 confirms it.
ldoublee, I'm probably stating the obvious here, but Scout cannot keep you from naming a fact, despite its subscription agreement. You have every right to say who the new commit is because it is a fact, even if you got this information off of Scout's website.
It's both true and helpful. Y'all are jerks!
Your posited gentlemen's agreement is just as fictional as Joe Tiller's.
Reporting a fact and linking to a premium article is not ripping someone off. It's called the Internet.
they should learn to play nicely with each other
Super Secret Squirrel stuff I guess.......
you can't triple stamp a double stamp
bleedingblue for making me laugh very hard at work! you can't triple stamp a double stamp haaa love it
given the front page is Ray Vinopal... i don't think it's secret
If its Vinopal, I'll admit I'm a little surprised. We have very few if any spots left and a lot of higher rated names on the board. I know, I know... ratings aren't everything, but I think we'd rather wait on Beachum, Parker, Hankins, etc.
scout is doing a liveblog thing or something for vinopal and the article is behind a pay-wall. i don't have a scout subscription but it seems to be that way, especially with the OPs comment
Agreed. However, if he is good enough for the coaches to offer, he likely has some big upside.
The logic that "if the coaches offered him, he must be good" only holds if you believe in the infallability of the coaching staff.
Personally (without knowing anything about this particular kid), I would certainly think it's possible that the staff has the potential to f up.
we have to eventually learn to trust the coaches even if this seems odd
as if this wasn't obvious given the quote that the coaches will tell him when we're filling up. well, ray, we're filling up so come on down.
Was offered a couple of months back.
According to Scout... he's a 2*, #144, safety.
Good thing no one on this board cares about recruiting ratings
At least he plays defense.
actually took Michigan's team ranking down one spot from 16 to 17. Good thing we don't care about that either. Uhhhhh.
Still shows Michigan with 21 commits, so Vinopal isn't figured in yet. It's more likely someone jumped past Michigan with a commit of their own.
the sky is falling...
the guru recruiting ranking has dropped by one...
That's precisely the issue surrounding the program, those coaches haven't renewed their Rivals subscriptions. Well, hell, I can donate that to the program. Would fix everything.
will not be pleased.
5'11 185 lb Safety who allegedly runs in the 4.4 range
Here's the kid's video
untrained eye, blah blah...that kid looks like he has really good technique and has serious ball skills. Tons of INT's on there. Looks like a smart player and one tough SOB. Very quick, but I worry about his top end speed as it looks like his legs are pretty short.
We could use a guy with good technique and ball skills. Sure it would be nice if he were faster, but if he's in proper position to begin with he won't have to close so much ground to make the plays.
he seemed fast enough to me. I also like how he shot up through the gaps on run support and stuck the tackles. He ran plenty of routes for guys he was defending too, and I liked his ball skills...
He'd be an upgrade at safety from this season imo! (I know, this isn't saying much...)
I don't put a whole lot of stock in the 40 times that these sites give out, but the only one mentioned so far was a 4.4 40, whic I know is likely fake but at least says he must be quite fast.
Also, short legs does not = slow.
For ex, see: Lionel Messi.
Is this video from his senior year or junior?
I've seen more exciting hits in the kids first 10 seconds of his film than I did all year watching UMs defense. Seriously, I want a safety out there that is going to punish some WRs.
I'm not very pleased with all of the bigger names that are still on the board.
that a DB committment in the hand is worth two in the bush (or on the Board).
If it's worth two on the board, then that means we'll only have one scholarship left right?
Derrick Rose took my SAT.
or a likely Stevie Brown if he comes to Michigan. Does this development likely lend some input as to Furman's decision? Hmm.
My understanding is that Furman is coming in as a LB, either at SLB or WLB.
IMO - Furman is a Mouton-type recruit who comes in as a SS that will be used as either the S.Brown SLB or, probably, the Mouton ILB (moreso a WLB). Probably a red-shirt to learn the position and gain 10-20 lbs.
no way he moves back to safety. He already said in one article that he would have to learn to cover to move to LB as he has no experience at it. Moving him to safety would make no sense.
They say he's slotted to come in at Sam, Stevie Brown's position. Despite his inexperience at coverage, he'd be coached by GERG, so I'm optimistic there. Shoot, Roh played a ball in the air better than everyone on the team outside of DWar, so.... Besides a guy who runs a 4.37 40 and a 4.41 shuttle would be wasted at Will. I think his skill set is best suited at Sam.
This makes the can-we-enroll-more-than-25-players-or-not issue all the more interesting.
I think we might see something I don't remember every seeing at Michigan, greyshirts.
intersting and a welcome addition, I think.
What about that long snapper from LV that took forever got get his LOI in. That was a greyshirt wasn't it?
Carr "grayshirted" a couple of guys. I remember Joey Sarantos being a grayshirt.
i dont think these offers mean all that much. come one week before signing day, a lot of "commitments" are going to be getting courtosey calls informing them that they should look somewhere else.
I feel bad having to do that too kids, but as a fan right now I wish we could just stick with those higher rated guys and not fill up our class with guys not as high on the board. I hate loving speculation but, I am interested to see how this all plays out come signing day.
Courtosey calls are the worst.
but whether the acceptance of the offer is accepted does. RR is not going to accept an acceptance at this stage if he does not want them on the team, he would slow play them like he did with that kid who commited a while ago whose name escapes me.
Travis Williams, I think?
it's time everyone that is vehemently against this type of situation should brace themselves as it's prevalent at all major programs. i just hope instead of a week before it's closer to a month before. they aren't strongly pursuing this many prospects without the idea of taking some more commitments. essentially, anybody that has been offered or officially visited in the last six wks you can safely assume they will take a commitment from. the ramifications and sorting out of the scholarships will be despised by some so get ready for it. we should abstain from speculating on how the coaches will do this and dropping names though. i just hope the coaches are having open communication with the commitments that this may apply to.
Thank you. I didn't realize that I was going to come off as supporting the action with that statement (Nor did I realize that I was spelling like a Buckeye).
I don't like it, at all, but it is what it is. NCAA Football is a cut-throat business. If some feelings have to be hurt to get the best players, then feelings are going to be hurt.
defensive players. The rest will have to adjust itself out(code for ugghh think it but dont say it).
are taking visits to other schools. It seems that this has been the quietest year in recent memory in terms of news of our verbals taking other visits. Is that the case?
that have been rumored to be looking at visits are
1. Gardner = but he squashes the rumors at every turn, so I don't put much stock in them.
2. Terry Talbott = he seems interested in other visits but as of yet hasn't taken any. Also, his coach is good friends with RR so that may help in keeping him in the fold.
Other than that, it's been pretty quiet on any commits taking other visits.
OMG HE'S A WHITE SAFETY!
20 years ago...
Both of Iowa's starting safeties are good(one a first team All-Big Ten player) and yet,..wait for it...white. One is among the leaders in the country in int's and third on the Country charts(kidding about the Country charts).
White pigmentation = slow and unathletic!!!
White pigmentation = slow and unathletic!!!
(this post smells of sarcasm)
My bad on the double post
In an attempt to use Google to find how many white safeties play in the NFL, I accidentally entered what I believe to be a white supremacist website.
If the government comes knocking, I'm blaming you.
He's just like Wes Welker!
Jim Leonhard, for serious though, is a short white safety playing in the NFL:
Maybe he's the next John Lynch.
Or Chuck Cecil.
While I know it's high school, at least he plays like a safety, which would be a step in the right direction when compared to our "safeties". The kid looks like he enjoys hitting, closes fast, and reads the play well.
We did beat out Bowling Green, Kent State & Air Force for his services.
yeah.. we're robbing these players away from the MAC...
Does this put the Murphy-Grimes tandem pending commitment in doubt?
Hankins/Big Tex for Murhpy?
Cullen/Vinopal/Witty replace Grimes?
I hope it doesn't mean that.
TomVH has talked about how last year quite a few recruits were pressured to take it or leave it. This year, with the exception of Travis Williams, they seem to have accepted whomever got offered and decided to commit. From what it was reported, only Onwukaife was turned down either because we already had enough commits for his position, or he didn't want to switch position. Now there's highly ranked prospects that want to come for visits later or announce on signing day, and here's RR accepting committments from other less buzz-worthy prospects. Asumming that RR will get Michigan rolling at full power again soon, recruits will be competing to get in. On the positive side, we will know who really wants to play for the block M. On the negative side, it seems like we might be missing out on some top recruits that usually like to drag things till signing day. I see some Texas-style recruiting going on in the future here.
If this is true, you're right.
both sites are reporting it and Scout has quotes from the kid that he talked to RR on Wednesday to commit. He just wanted to wait until after the state title game today to announce.
weird feeling. i admit to not being enthused about this particular commitment.
Has anyone clarified whther it is actually Vinopal yet?
Rivals and Scout front page.
We've gotten this far without anyone using the phrase "player ratings don't matter," or making any reference to Pat White or Colt McCoy.
Oops... my bad.
Sigh, I don't think Michigan will ever land an elite safety prospect ever again, and yes I don't count Marvin Robinson because I think he doesn't have coveted speed and will move to Stevie B's position eventually.
He is from Youngstown Carindal Mooney.
It is a football factory. They grow and train football players and they have a rep of being a very physical program.
I'll take a player from Mooney every time. No questions asked.
Rodriguez has really replenished Michigan's ties in the state of Ohio. Our presence in the state, or rather our success recruiting the state, had been lacking from 2005-07. Big time.
The classes that have signed and are being created since his arrival have changed that, and thats a very good thing that foreshadows future on field success.
Michigan cant win they way we want them to unless its #2 in Ohio after you know who. From 2005-07 we were the worst team in the big 10 recruiting Ohio. Go figure that we're the worst actual team in the Big 10 right now.
But I was going to note the same general observation--it's not a bad thing that RR is rerouting the Ohio pipeline our way so to speak. If we can just dominate MI, come in 2nd in Ohio, and be in the top 6 in FL, we'd be in pretty good shape I think.
That said, it's more difficult to unearth "sleeper" prospects at schools which are highly scouted like Mooney. My guess is the evaluations on this kid are pretty accurate--a pretty smart player who lacks the athleticism of top end prospects.
With 3 +/- a few spots left, and with Knight and Parker still on the board, I'm a little confused on why they're so interested in Vinopal.
Congratulations Ray on becoming a wolverine!
That said, I'm not going to lie, I'm a bit confused and concerned.
Iowa did a pretty good job unearthing a sleeper when they signed Darrel Johnson Koulianas a middling 3-star recruit from Carindal Mooney. Or Notre Dame grabbing Kyle McCarthy, the 68th rated athlete overall and meh 3-star from Mooney. I'm pretty sure both were fully scouted and yet sleepers still.
I think they like him because he knows how to play football. The kids coming out of Mooney are at Mooney to play football. Very well schooled kids as far as football goes. I am guessing he has a high football IQ and it shows on his highlight tape as far as always being in the right place.
I actually think players get downgraded a lot of times at powerhouse schools, because well, they're just more bodies coming out of a system. They dont stand out because they have better teammates than a lot of recruits who are far and away the best on their team.
I'll also take a kid who comes out of a program with success. I am tired of watching elite athletes getting beaten out by walk ons for starting positions.
I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons I lost so much hair/sleep/self-respect this season was from watching highly athletic individuals continue to make bone-headed decisions, plays.
So I'm glad you've endorsed this new commit as being a smart player - that's music to my ears!
And here's another comparison, with a guy I've mentioned already a couple of times on other threads; Chris Borland of Wisconsin. The most outstanding defensive-side freshman in the Big Ten this year, maybe the top-performing freshman, period, in the conference. A Scout 2-star RB from a similar-type program in Ohio, converted to LB. Borland got to Wisconsin in large part because his dad and other familiy and friends had gone there. No other Big Ten interest.
These are all judgment calls that cannot be reduced to scouting-service rankings and numbers of stars, at least not completely. From what I've seen of RR's judgment on kids so far, I like it.
If Michigan had signed Borland last year, I would be saying the exact same thing I am now about Vinopal.
Archbishop Altar. They know football there. I would take their best LB in my recruiting class everytime.
Overall, i just have a lot of respect for the state of Ohio as far as high school football goes. Love that the first three years of RR recruiting have seen Michigan's name all over the place on the state's top-100. A three-star from Ohio is a four-star from most other states, IMHE.
And, given how he's already turned an Ohio recruit that didnt even make the state's top-100 into a starter on the Offensive Line (Omameh), I not only give him the benefit of the doubt on Vinopal, but actually expect this kid to become a player for us.
Omameh was offered by Ohio State. Vinopal wasn't even offered by Cincy, an Ohio school who sprays offers everywhere and all around the country like Stanford.
Wasnt he offered by OSU like during the week leading up to signing day?
He's the best defensive player at a top flight football program that just won a state title in Ohio.
Thats really all I need to know that the kid has potential.
We'll see if he gets a late snake oil offer by OSU in February
day. If he was on their radar, he was low hanging fruit to them. OSU did not put this kid on RR's radar, and he will be starting on the OL next year. Great find.
Borland certainly has made an impact, though I believe he only played running back in high school for what it's worth.
But Alter (my Alma Mater) =/= Mooney in terms of exposure. Our beloved Michael Shaw went to Alter for 3 years before transferring to Trotwood, mostly because the coaches at Alter haven't shown a knack for getting kids to the next level aside from Nick Mangold.
Again, maybe he's a future star. I hope he is, both for the Michigan football program and for Ray himself. But with seemingly more established prospects still on the board and merely 3 or so spots left, I'm a bit bewildered.
This seems like a strange paradox to me. When Carvin Johnson committed, the general sense I got from other fans was..."super sleeper, patrick omameh, rich rod knows how to scout em, etc..."
But now, for the sole reason of scholarships being more limited, people are ragging on this kid for not being rated higher and on Rich Rod for offering him.
Looking at his tapes, the thing that stands out most about him is how sadistic he is with his head to head hits. He seems like quite an angry individual in general, and more of those are needed on this defense.
He also seems to have some speed, to be a solid (but not at all powerful) tackler, and to have great ball-skills. The fact that it gets us into an ohio super power is not irrelevant either.
Rich Rod's got a great track record with lower rated prospects, so, for now, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and be excited!
would it be too much of a stretch to say that YOU COULD NOT BE MORE EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS PROGRAM?
It really makes no difference to me that he is a White player at a skill position. My favorite NFL team is the Bears.... and when I was a kid the Bears won the Super Bowl with Gary Fencik at Safety. Fencik was a beast. And yes, he is White.
My problem with Vinopal, however, is that he appears to be quite short (between 5'9" and 5' 10"), with very short legs, somewhat questionable speed (listed at 4.56 by Rivals), and his hips don't seem particularly fluid.
Fencik had great size but not great speed. John Lynch has great size and decent speed. Vinopal lacks size.... and doesn't appear to have the frame to add more size without losing considerable speed.
Moreover, with big name prospects still on the Board and with so few spots left, those slots such be treated like Gold. We certainly should make a legitmate run a the very best players in the nation before giving a slot away to a 2 or 3 star prospect.... who is likely to still be available to us LATER IN THE RECRUITING PROCESS.
In looking at his offer sheet, it is not like other major programs are beating down his door. Vinopal will likely be there for us in late January/early February. Why give him one of the slots now? I just don't get it.
I guess I will just have to trust the coaches on this one.
I guess your anecdotal evidence from 24 years ago overrides what we see in today's college and NFL games.
ratings dont mean that much really i rather have a 3 star who has room to grow than a 5 star who maybe peaked there so many 3 stars who great players and become top draft picks like vontae davis who was a 3 star
No, you wouldn't.
Especially people who know recruiting, know the probabilities, and oh, ya, coaches.
It's not for everyone.
More to the point, these scouting services take into account things like "ceiling" and "likelihood to reach the NFL." They project how well a player is likely to become a successful football player, not just how good they are today.
Sometimes ratings are wrong, but every coach in America would rather have 5-stars.
Jordan Kovacs 2.0.. He seems like the type of player who will be good when hes an upperclassmen. Hope he can bring that hard hitting sooner though. Would like to see him after a year or two of Barwis.
State title game 2day ... Vinopal ran a 60 yd TD and he is obviously the teams top Defensive player ... i like him alot
And he reminds me of Kyle McCarthy of NDame who also won State Tiles at Mooney
white guy, same school, same position = same player
Steve Threet = Tom Brady
Unless you're saying that since they both were quarterbacks at Michigan that Steve Threet=Tom Brady. Since ya know Threet is from Michigan and Brady is from Cali.
Yeah...I was pointing out that not all similarly pigmented players from the same school are similarly talented.
You should have used:
David Cone=Tom Brady
I mean sure, Brady doesn't have the Coner's mad rapping skills, but give him a break...
That is the perfect 2 people to use to prove the point Magnus is trying to make because there is no way Brady has anywhere close to the same mad rhyme spittin skillz the Coner does!
He looks like a heavy hitter, and he's a two way RB, so some ball skills apply. Also, as Jamiemac and others pointed out, he's another steal from Ohio. We won't know until he's playing, but so far I like the potential upside.
Besides, I'm sure RRod is quite aware of his singing limits and the players he has good shots with. I doubt he'd 'waste' a scholarship on someone he didn't have some faith in. He's been in the coaching/recruiting game longer than we have ;)
...reference to put the exclamation point on a well-reasoned argument. Although perhaps not as timelessly amusing as comments like "get off your knees, refs, you're blowing the game," I really think your knees-not-being-sore point was a nice touch. I couldn't help but notice though, that while your not performing fellatio *could* certainly explain your knees not being sore, so too would you performing regular fellatio to the point of having well-conditioned, calloused knees. Maybe take that into account next time? I dunno, I guess I don't use the fellatio card in arguments all that much, and am thus not an expert.
how shitty Vinopal's career ended up at Michigan!!
So you are the pitcher and not the catcher?
He's only a "steal" from Ohio if programs in Ohio wanted him. Bowling Green doesn't really count as someone you want to steal from. That's like David Letterman stealing material from Carson Daly.
David Letterman is washed up. That is all.
RichRod was even on American Idol once.
The thing that is actually most encouraging to me about Vinopal is that he is 5-10, 175. It would be much worse to me if he was physically impressive but rated as he is. Our willingness to take him before signing day despite his lack of size and elite offers signals that we think he is, pound for pound, an outstanding player in terms of skills/fundamentals/desire. I don't mind guys like that one bit. I just wish we had room to take every 2010 target that wants to come, because there are so many guys we could use in this class...
Ratings don't matter.
^ That is a lie, straight up. Let's not convince ourselves otherwise. Sure Vinopal could turn out to be a great player but that doesn't change the fact that most 2 and 3 star guys never amount to anything more then an average college player.
I just started following recruiting and I have a question.....do universities renege on offers if they are at the capacity and better recruits come along after the fact?
If so, is it common?
They don't really renege on offers. They just stop calling the recruit and/or suggest that the kid won't get much playing time if he sticks with his commitment. I don't know how common it is exactly, but Michigan did it twice last year (with WR/CB Dwayne Peace and LB Jordan Barnes).
Although I'm no expert.
Thank you for clearing that up!
save all the freaking out about room in this class until we actually see us turn away a top rated kid? Just wait and see how things work out. People can throw all the names they want out there but guys like Parker and Jefferson are pretty big longshots at this point. The staff will not stop recruiting them and if they do decide to commit we will work it out I'm sure. There is no way this staff turns down top end defensive talent. So for now just be happy we added another talented defensive back to our team. In case you didn't notice we didn't exactly have a plethora last year. At the very least Vinopal will add depth for the future.
i dont like kovacs he plays hard but he shouldnt be a starter i dont see why they didnt throw b smith instead kovacs cant cover me
Punctuation is your friend.
Well...maybe not YOUR friend specifically...
If punctuation is his friend, he's a very lonely man.
at least write a coherent sentence. I negged you because I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Having said that, they did "throw Brandon Smith" - he started against Wisconsin and did not grade out so well.
Kovacs did fine at strong safety when he was asked to play downhill and make tackles in the box. He struggled when asked to do too much in pass coverage at free safety. Keep in mind that Kovacs was not only a walkon freshman - but one that has overcome a serious knee injury.
There is nothing not to like about that kid, and there were many players more culpable than Kovacs for our defensive struggles.
I like this commitment. I just don't like it NOW. I think he is the type of recruit that as the recruiting season winds down (late January/early February), and you have a ship available, you give it to him. But not right now. Not with so many big names still on the Board.
The biggest issue I see is his frame. Standing between 5'9" and 5'10" with short legs, he doesn't appear to have the frame to add a whole lot more size.
Make no mistake, the kid appears to be a hitter. I just wish he were a 6 footer. A guy that had the frame to add more size without losing speed.
I see people referring to John Lynch. I hope he does become the next Johnny Lynch but there is a huge difference between the 2 players. John Lynch is a big man.... 6' 2". Vinopal appears to have the body of a cornerback. And a somewhat smallish cornerback at that.
I will just have to trust the coaches.
all 5 stars dont work out either and right now michigan doesnt have the power yet to get alot of top tier guys we will soon and i cant wait till that day again we have top guys in our backyard we cant even get
Thanks for telling us that all 5-stars don't work out.
Did you know Pat White was a 3-star?
Wow, I guess they don't matter!
The question now becomes...if it was not before...which commitments are not going to end up signing!?
WR: ROBINSON, WILLIAMSON
NT: hankins, beachum
DT: TALBOTT, ash
DE: WILKINS, murphy, bryant
Q: PASKORZ, KINNARD
FS: ROBINSON, JOHNSON, parker, anderson
SS: JONES, VINOPAL, knight
CB: CHRISTIAN, TALBOTT, grimes
CB: AVERY, WITTY, boyd
...Two scholarships left, twelve prospects that we still have a serious chance with and are pursuing hard. It's clear that a number of our commitments aren't going to end up signing with us. I'm going to be the first to rank them in order of that happening:
1) Williamson - There are three other committed outside recievers. Those three have all been on campus a number of times since making their commitments. He has not, and location is not an excuse.
2) Kinnard or Paskorz. There's no reason to take two 'quicks' in this class with a stud frosh starting there this season, and another stud (Wilkins) coming in at DE. Neither of these two have been on campus in a while, and again, location is not an excuse. If Bryant commits, then both of these two could be on the outside looking in. I don't think that we're going to sign Grimes and Murphy, but if that happens, it'd create a similar situation.
3/4) Talbott brothers. Starting with the DT - If Ash commits, there's no need for him. If Hankins and Beachum commit, there's no need for him. These two are a package deal, so, if we lose one, we lose the other.
*If we get just Hankins or Beachum, then we'll keep the Talbott brothers, and the attention turns to either Avery or Witty, especially if we sign Grimes or Boyd.
5) Johnson or Vinopal. If one of the stud safties we're going after commits, Parker, Knight, or Anderson, then one of these two lower ranked safties could be on the outside looking in. If two of them commit, then both could.
...I hate being the dick that has to put this list together, but its inevitable, isn't it?
1) Joined the day (or day after) k06em01 got the banhammer? Check.
2) Posts a lot. A LOT. Check.
3) Feels the need to inform the board of every thought in his head? Check.
So far, all signs point to yes.
Jesus Christ, he has reached 20 MGopoints. It's only a matter of time now...
That is the exact or at least a very similar format to the one used by k06em01 when he posted his recruiting depth charts.
One such example:
no, he who shall not be named is dead. this is a reformed poster that has changed his ways and abides by the popularly established rules and guidelines of the board, regardless of what he personally thinks about them. i am just a passionate fan, eager to talk and share information about michigan football...and not to piss everybody off.
This is k06em01.
I have no doubt you are k06em01 but I think you deserve another shot after your epic meltdown. Clearly you have gone Buddhist on us, and I think that might be a good thing.
EDIT: Nvm, banhammer plz.
I knew he wasn't rehabilitated due to the comment about "I hate being the dick that has to put this together, but it's inevitable."
at least i didn't start a new thread!
end of story.
mommatheregoesthatman, start the counter again.
But Im also asking for this guy to be given a second chance. Now, if he pulls a Winston and ruins it, Im all in favor of negbangings in epic proportions.
who cares this isnt class ....plus im at work not trying to get caught =]
Well atleast he's from Ohio. Lets be perfectly Frank, we may hate the state University but a lot of our best players have been through the state of Ohio. Granted he does have a low ranking but Ohio kids usually play some hard nose football and have the determination to do nothing but win.
His team killed Steubenville HS last week in the Ohio playoffs..... yes thats the same Ohio team that Devin Gardner knocked off their regular season undefeated record by a last second touchdown..... If his team could kill a Steubenville team that DG only beat by a last second touchdown, I'm all for him coming on board.
So since Lowell beat Inkster who beat Steubenville, does that mean anybody/everybody on Lowell's team deserves a Michigan offer? Nope.
I'm not saying that at all but I don't think you understand what an accomplishment it is to beat Steubenville HS. I'm from Steubenville, Oh and it lives and breaths football, I believe they are second in championships next to Massilon, these kids know how to win playoff games. Steubenville's Qb is going to Central Michigan and is very mobile and they shut him down. I want a safety who can not only shut down the pass but shut down the mobile Qb as well.
If I see 6'6", 235 lb. Terrelle Pryor bearing down on 5'10", 175 lb. Ray Vinopal, I will not feel comforted.
I've yet to see Pryor run anyone over, if anything he trys to avoid being tackled and runs for the sideline after he gets a couple yards. Ray Vinopal should be able to take better angles than Kovacs or Williams, I'd be more comfortable with him on Pryor than those two.
we do play good ball here..steubenville is a powerhouse too
Let's pass a hat so everybody can pitch in for a keyboard with a working shift key.
Neg if you must, but we already have a "sleeper" Safety prospect in this class. We are in good shape with Rashad Knight and Sean Parker with renewed interest in Latwan Anderson (wont get, but still). I have never been less excited about a commitment in my life. Im not saying this guy will suck and never accomplish anything while at M, just that with 3 spots remaining and around 15 prospects (who are probably better) interested, taking this commit makes no sense. At least wait until signing day and if you have any remaining scholarships, they can go to a Vinopal. He seems to be a good kid and all, but this makes me think Matt Millen is coordinating our recruiting class this year.
Welcome to the Michigan family! I hope you have great success here and may your talents help us defeat tOSU!
we better get some speed on the edge so we can get better press coverage, or it may be ugly again next year