No Manziel? Is he expected to return following his redshirt sophomore season?
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No Manziel? Is he expected to return following his redshirt sophomore season?
Scouts are scared of Johnny footballs size
I think after what happened to Barkley, you will see more QBs come out early. That poor guy lost millions by coming back.
Why does everyone assume scouts would have scouted him any differently a year ago? He may have been drafted a little higher on upside because he was younger, but even before his injury this year people were saying he wasn't a first round pick.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing except that the talk surrounding him last year was so much greater that I think some hapless GM would have taken him in the 2nd round at the least. So he might have cost himself a couple of million up front, but again if he plays well then he'll hopefully make up much of that lost money in subsequent contracts.
Yeah, that's possible, but not the crazy money like people are suggesting as if he would have taken GRIII's draft spot last year or something.
Now, I bet Pete Carroll picks Barkley instead of Russell Wilson last year, so if you take a look at Wilson's contract and minus what Barkley got, that's about what he lost, which I'm willing to bet isn't too much.
After looking it up, Barkley's contract is 500k below Wilson's, over the course of the contract, both of which are for four years. Wilson has a 4 yr. 3MM deal, and Barkley's is 4 yr 2.5MM.
So he got to live in campus for free for a year and start all season for half a million. That's not that bad of a deal, really.
Geno Smith was supposed to go #1 according to some of the mock drafts. Damontre Moore was considered a possibility for the Lions at #6. He went at #81. There's no way to tell where Barkley would have gone once teams looked at him closely, but I suspect this year's draft is a better indicator than the early mocks.
I think after what happened to Tyler Bray, you will see more QBs stay in school. That poor guy lost millions by coming out early.
are saying the Lions will be awful again next year?
Don't forget about Jones, he is a very solid DE. Every year Delmas staying healthy is a factor, but this year they will actually have depth at safety
i think you confused depth with having another saftey that probably doesnt suck.
Quinn led a good Texans defense in tackles, Spievy played a hell of a lot better last year
I still can't believe Bacari Rambo was on the board and we drafted the 10th rated punter.
Wolverine fan in Washington D.C. here, and I can tell you we Redskins fans were happy to capitalize on that. I mean, punters matter, right?!
He was a 3rd/4th round talent that fell b/c of two drug tests. Maybe he's not a starter but given Delmas' injury history some depth back there on a flier like him wouldn't have been a bad move. I understand we needed help punting but in all likelihood, we could have picked him up in free agency. Minnesota apparently had interest in him but given that they cleaned up in the first round and got Greg Jennings in the off-season they coulda afforded to take a bigger gamble. The only other punter drafted was the number one rated punter in the draft (Kid outta UCLA). IDK just doesn't make sense. I mean he seems like a really good punter and all but IDK I thought there were better player on the board that filled needs. It all boils down to drafting on need vs. value. I felt that we could have addressed our punting needs elsewhere. Hopefully it pans out.
Seems more reasonable than saying they won't be awful.
Don't get me wrong, I love me some Lions football, but I'd be hard pressed to say the Lions aren't likely to be the 4th team in the NFC North again.
Shazier really goes that high? He's very athletic for his position, but I don't know if he has the discipline or top-flight instincts. I didn't watch him much last year, but in 2011 he got blocked pretty easily and caught out of position against Michigan.
Slaton's problem was dropping the ball all over the place, so Carey should theoretically do just fiine.
Intangibles and all that, but Murray goes before McCarron. Also, Bridgewater's great, but I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped due to injury concerns.
Shazier took some steps forward this past season. He was significantly improved since 2011.
Eric Fisher was on everyone's radar, not first overall but they knew who he was. As for the lions, don't count out Bill Bentley, if he can stay healthy he win play.
Obviously it will depend on how the season goes, but I think Michael Schofield can work his way into a top 50 pick as well. And I believe Devin Gardner will be a 1st rounder whenever he decides to leave school.
Teams aren't generally looking for their future RT in the top 50. Unless that team is the Jaguars, of course. He also needs to show he's more than just a road grater if he wants to move up that much.
I agree. Similar to Jake Matthews from Texas A&M, that would be more of a projection of him at LT.
The difference is I think Matthews is a better athlete than Schofield, and will have a year at LT under his belt before the pros.
The Lions just blow again this year and take Clowney? Can't help but think this is a once in a decade type player (Peppers is who he reminds me of) that could be great for a long time
Frack it, why not? The last time the Lions blew their wad on the same position over and over (counting DE/DT as just DL) they ended up with Megatron, who was another once-a-decade guy.
How do they figure Mettenberger goes first round? He's Anthony Morelli incarnate - great arm, but has absolutely no football smarts whatsoever. I'd take Manziel (who should be on this anyway), Murray, and McCarron before I take Mettenberger.
And what's with all these M-named QBs?
Gibbons goes #1. Bank it.
The technique criticisms I've seen of Lewan and I saw of Omameh leading into this last draft make me wonder about Funk especially given the interior Oline play last season. Link for scathing criticism of Omameh technique.
That is a fair concern, but that man can sure recruit some talent
I have my concerns about Funk, too. I think the offensive line should have been better than they were last season.
Gulp. This makes me concerned about Braden, Kalis, and Miller. Louis Nix is a stiff test in Week 2.
An underachieving OL is not what we want...
oline might not have been great at run blocking but their pass protection was solid all season. omameh was always at his best either releasing out onto the linebacker (see denards run at notre dame in 2010), he was never that mauling guard that just shoved people out of the way
Are the Funk concerns just based upon this one year of bad OL play? IMO, I would say we'll see what this year looks like then we can really judge his effectiveness as a coach.
He had two years with the guys who just left (Omameh, Barnum, Mealer). It seems a lot of the problems should have been fixed by the 2012 season.
That first year was a lot of scheme that he didn't use at SDSU. Not a lot of man blocking, which, from what I remember, he prefers. That is not to say that he doesn't coach zone schemes, as they did employ a lot of stretch and inside zone at SDSU... I'm not sure if you're saying he sucks or what, but I just think it's still a little early.
I'm not saying he sucks, but the interior offensive line should have been better in 2012. Whether you want to blame that on the players, Funk, Borges, or Hoke, the blame has to fall somewhere.
The staff has loaded the OL with elite talent the last two years, so if we are still having this discussion in a few years then we will know that there is a problem.
Although he's surrounded by NFL players, the guy still throws a hell of a ball. Can't really disagree other than saying he might be later in the 2nd round
One thing that we learned in this draft is that no matter how hyped dual threat QB guys are, they are unlikely to go in the top 10. I think Bridgewater and Boyd are good quarterbacks, but I don't think the NFL will be so interested in them to draft them that high.
Can Newton says hi.
RGIII wishes to introduce himself to IndyBlue90 as well.
lets not forget vince young and michael vick now
...I think you're mistaking 'dual threat' for 'black'. Sure, Bridgewater can buy himself time in the pocket, but he's up there on draft boards because of his arm strength and football IQ. Running isn't any more a part of his game or the Louisville offense than it was for Geno Smith, although people assumed he was 'dual threat' too.
Agree. Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers are two QBs who were/are VERY good runners out of the pocket who are pasty white guys.
Neither were/are considered 'dual threat' though.
Have you ever even watched Bridgewater play? He has an NFL arm and basically willed Lousiville to beat Rutgers(on one ankle) and Florida. Just because he is black doesn't mean he can only run. Sick of that stereotype.
Every single year I see many Rutgers players get drafted, yet I don't see it show up in the record
You are aware they had a better record than us this year, right?
What a grueling schedule Army,Tulane,USF,Pitt,Cincy,Arkansas,Temple,Cuse, and don't forget the mighty Bison of Howard.
This will be a very deep draft this year, so glad my browns traded for a 3rd and a 4th next year.
Am I the only one that finds Roby undisciplined? The impression I got from him, and from OSU fans, was that he never saw a route he didn't bite on. He had a ton of pass break-ups and INTs, but I kind of got the impression that as more because the B1G had an absolute wreckage of passing offenses this year. Dunno, maybe I'm wrong.
I think Roby came back to school to work on that, but he has all the physical tools to be a top-15 pick.
Nix and Tuitt. If Lynch had not transferred, this projection would have had 3 ND DLs going in top 17. Sheesh.
Those same ND DLineman got gobbled up by Bama in the NC game. They were wise to go back to school so people didnt rip them apart like they did Te'o on his worst game ever.
He dominated Bama OL all by himself and was a load even for Warmack to block one on one. He put Barrett Jones on skates. He is a legit top 15 pick with his combination of size/strength/athleticism.
Clowney is a freak, but Lewan handled his ass all game. He made one play and it wasnt even Lewans fault.
I was such a huge Ken Dorsey fan. It was an irrational man-crush. I thought he was going to have a great career. Of course, I was in 7th grade, so....
Having said that, McCarron is a much better pro prospect. He reminds me of Sam Bradford: not the ideal, Manning/Luck 1st round pick, but good enough to win super bowls in the right system-- and if you give him protection.
I was going to throw out a comparison to Andy Dalton.
Off topic but I was happy to see quite a few San Deigo St players get drafted. I know Hoke can't recuit and can't judge talent but: Round 2 Gavin Escobar, Round 3 Leon McFadden, Round 7 Brice Butler. Expecting alot more in the next few years with Michigan as the brand instead of SDS.
McCarron screams "heady" presence on the sideline but not a kdi who can lead a team without all of those weapons and that line. I mean, we've seen a muted return on Alabama RBs because (perhaps) that line is better than some understand at producing great seasons out of backs, and I've yet to see much with A.J. to disabuse the notion that he's not going to struggle in the NFL.
But we don't know how well he does against those NFL corners in practice.
Everybody knows Clowney will go #1. My questions is what would it take for you to trade away that pick? I don't think it happens, but many things I thought would never happen have. If you are a team that is Clowney away from winning the Super Bowl, do you bet the farm and then some?
But Teddy Bridgewater can make a case for it because he's a franchise type QB. Shredded a strong Florida defense. Was really impressed by Bridgewater