It is home to the Buckeyes, so how could it be good with so much scarlet and gray? I honestly don't know what kind of answers you want from this board. The last thing we need is a discussion on how Columbus "isn't that bad". Plus my Dads side of the family is all around Columbus, and maybe the city isn't bad, but the people occupying it are.
Way OT: Your thoughts on the city of Columbus
I'm occupying Columbus. Not in the 'camping in a public parks with signs' sense but the 'I live here' sense. I really like the city, and a part of me actually likes being part of the minority of college football fans here. If I had to put a number on it, almost 10% of the city consists of Michigan fans...
I grew up in Livonia, Jackson, Battle Creek, and Ypsi. Not representational of the greatest cities in Michigan, but I would choose to live in Columbus before any of those by a wide margin.
you don't know what I want...I am asking how bad it really is because I was asked to visit and wanted to know if it was really as bad as most people here think. I didn't think the question was difficult or offensive.
When are you visiting?
If you're near Downtown, check out the Scioto Mile/Bicentennial Park.
I don't know for sure he just said if I ever wanted to come visit I was always welcome. It will likely be next summer as he heads back to New York shortly to get back into training. I will make sure to visit the places you mention though.
If your visit is around Labor Day and you enjoy Greek food and culture, you should check out the festival at The Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral. You might see Melina Kanakaredes there, apparently that is her husband's church. If you have kids, I would highly recommend the Columbus Zoo or COSI. COSI is close to the Scioto Mile/Bicentennial Park and not far from Tommy's Diner, a favorite of mine. If you're a motorcycle fan, Farrow's HD is also in that area. It's the oldest Harley dealer in the world and my dad designed and helped build the museum/soda fountain they have by the showroom.
It will likely be next summer as the invitation was an open one but he is heading back to New York soon to start training for the upcoming season. This may be his last season though so if it is the trip could be during any time of the year.
I just know Jody to be an honest person and when his description of the city didn't jive with anything I have ever heard about the place on this blog I thought I would try to see if those views were distorted from reality by our fan bias and whether it was really a place I would like to see or not.
Judging from what I have read thus far it seems the bias does come in to play and the city isn't even close to what I had invisioned in my mind, so I think I will make the trip. Thanks again for the insight.
Also, go see the Clippers if they're in town. Huntington Park is of the best in the country - they beat the new Yankee stadium for Ballpark of the Year in 2009.
I'll try to make sure I am in town when they are playing so I can check it out. I love baseball, especially watching it live. Thanks again for the tip.
The B1G baseball tournament has also been there the last few years.
Columbus and this post are on equal levels... I hate them both cause they suck
with a title that speaks to exactly what the post is about you took the time to read and respond to it.....go figure.
But Columbus isn't a bad city.
One word: poop.
I just "visited" C-Bus with my wife on Friday. She asked me why I was throwing a tantrum about not wanting to go there and I said "Because they poop in coolers".
Side note; Schmidts Sausage Haus in Germantown has pretty good authentic German food/beer.
On the off chance that you've paid rapt attention to all my posts, I'm a Columbus resident.
I've lived here for 9 years, and it's definitely an upgrade from where I used to live, which was the Flint area. Columbus has a lot to recommend it - it's a great food town for its size, people are generally nice and it's got a lot of cool neighborhoods around the downtown
It's got its minuses. Buckeye fans are generally dongholes, as we all well know. Now, most OSU fans are normal and nice and they share in our disdain for Those Guys, You Know Who I Mean - the problem is that they hand-wave it off as the "2 percenters" (an actual term I heard on talk radio) It's a helluva lot more than 2 percent.
There are a surpisingly high number of Michigan fans here, though, and it's always good to give someone wearing M gear a 'Go Blue' - it's that much more satisflying.
Upgrade from the Flint area?
That's damning with faint praise to the nth degree. ( I grew up in Flint and visit family there every year.)
Thank you for a serious and insightful response. This is the kind of thing I was looking for.
Actually I was going to say its the Flint of Ohio. Has its nice parts, has its bad parts. Big little landlocked city and all.
Columbus is the freaking state capital!
And Columbus has a lot more going for it, than our state capital of Lansing.
I travel for my job, and as it happens -- a few of my best clients are in C-bus. Let me just say at the outset that it's impossible to be within 30 miles of that town without fearing some kind of disease. It's like traveling into a buckeye radiation zone.
That being said - I have to give props for the city infrastructure and business base (particularly financial services) that have propelled that town into the 21st century. When I was a kid in the 70's, Columbus was a joke. Now the town is home to major corporations, and I might add, is larger than Detroit (re: population). They have great suburbs and schools, and have a thriving nightlife area that's fun to take my clients to.
Bottom line - it's a great town that's not so little anymore. And were it not the home to the buckeyes, would be a great place to live and raise a family. But the people there are obnoxious for obvious reasons, and you still can't park a Michigan license-plated car there on gamedays.
Final point. If you GOTTA live in ohio, my personal suggestion is Cinci.
I'm in a bit of a personal quandry. I'm facing a relocation if I want to stay with my current company. My two options are Jacksonville, FL and Cincinnati, OH. From a strictly business perspective, it makes the most sense to move to Cincinnati (my manager and most of my counterparts are there). From a more personal perspective, I don't think that I could stomach living in Ohio. I would have serious issues putting Ohio plates on my car or paying property taxes in Ohio.
I've visited Cincinnati (Blue Ash) a few times and it seems like a pretty nice area. Nice people, rolling hills, decent neighborhoods. The biggest problem.....it's in Ohio. I'm seriously leaning toward Jacksonville and the benefits offered in Florida (close to the beach, no state income tax....).
Have friends in JAX and have been there a lot - if it's ppl you are worried about, JAX may be worse than Ohio. When u get past the weather and beaches, Jacksonville really sucks - my friends, who transplanted from Michigan, said that aside from the other Midwest transplants (of which there are many), the people and attitudes of JAX locals are terrible - typical southern stereotypes. Don't move there expecting amazing ppl. They hate it.
I've heard that about the people in Jacksonville but how bad can it be? I've heard that it's basically a combination of Southern Georgia and rural Alabama but you'd think that it would be a little bit better since it's a large city with some cultural events. I went to the Gator Bowl a couple of years ago and had a good time (aside from the game itself). It looks like the economy is picking up and there's a fair amount of new home construction.
I've actually considered living in Northern Kentucky and commuting to Cincinnati but it just doesn't seem to be worth it. The nicer towns are north of Cinci. Once you leave the midwest, it's pretty hard to go back (grey skies, higher taxes....)
I live in Raleigh, NC now (and have for 16 years). Pound for pound, this is probably a Top 5 place to live in the US. Half of the population came from somewhere else (MI, OH, PA, NY, NJ, FL, SC.....) which makes for interesting college football watching. I've got a great location not far from the hockey arena and 10-15 minutes from downtown. I really hate to give this up......but the Florida beaches are tempting.
I TOTALLY understand your point about not wanting to don the ohio plates. That would be a rough day. On a side note -- when I moved back to Detroit from Chicago, I kept my watches on Central time for a year because I couldn't bear it. That feeling eventually subsides.
Cinci is an interesting town. It's not the same as C-bus/Cleveland/Dayton in terms of being diehard buckeyes. There's a mix of folks there. Particularly transplants from other cities who came for the same reason you'd go there. Don't get me wrong. It's still ohio and has it's fair share of scarlet/gray. But it's a much more cosmopolitan city with the northern Kentucky bend as well. They seem to be a lot more sensible with allegiances from all over the country, not just ohio. And the city itself is VERY modern with an amazing business climate, and fantastic suburbs/neighborhoods. And believe it or not, there's a large base of hardcore Michigan fans in Cinci.
To be fair, I don't know a lot about JAX. But that would definitely be a whole different thing for you and your family. I have a very close friend who transferred to Cinci from Chicago. They couldn't be happier with their choice.
One other thing -- if you have kids, you would need to make SURE they are not influenced by anything ohio, lest they slowly evolve into something undesirable. You get the least of that kind of thing in Cinci, but it IS still ohio, afterall.
Registered on here just to reply to your comment. I'm a Buckeye from the Cleveland area currently living in SW Florida. Most people from Ohio or Michigan don't understand the cultural differences between different areas of the State. Jacksonville is a great example of this. Jacksonville is basically representative of its name. It's deep south. You will stand out like a sore thumb from the dumbass locals. To make it worse the beaches suck. The city is badly designed. Lots of crime. North Florida is really south Georgia with a mixture of Alabama. If you're going to move to Florida go to Tampa or Ft Myers or Fort Lauderdale area (but not Miami unless you speak Spanish.) Maybe Orlando. Anything north of that you will be culture shocked.
As for Columbus. It's a great city. Ann Arbour is an AWESOME college town. But Columbus is a state captial and is now Ohio's largest city with a crazy mix of college and professional. I'd love to live there if my professional life permitted.
Compromise and live in Kentucky, if you can handle a commute across a bottlenecked bridge every day. Or Indiana.
Well Kentucky is right across the river.
My wife had an interview for a dance studio in Cincy and I straight up told her I was not living in Ohio and would commute to/from Kentucky. She put me in my place and took a job thats located in central Kentucky (its still better than Ohio).
Not living there, but visiting more than I'd prefer!
(Of course, a thread on the Dexter tornado hooked me up with an mgodrinkingbuddy while on layover in Evansville, IN.)
after Chicago. Go there.
The only people I've met from Jacksonville treated me to a lecture on the differences between regular black people and n*****s.
Are an interracial couple and they are having a very tough time with the people there. Not very accepting.... Which is terrible.
I lived there for about a year in the late eighties and also went to school 45 minutes away in Oxford. Cincinnati seems to have had more than its share of problems with racial relations in the last twenty years, and based on some of the people I talked to I have no trouble believing that.
I also distinctly remember some clowns distributing literature from the Aryan Nations or the like on 27 between Cincy and Oxford.
based on what happens within a 45 minute radius of it? because i could tell you some stories.
Cincinnati is one of the most racist cities in the country, IMHO.
I think he's referring to Jax.
I live in Cincinnati. It's a cool city, especially if you have a family. We've got a great zoo, a terrific Art Museum, and lots of other stuff. My only real complaint is that there aren't enough really good bookstores.
The people are nice, and, while there are a lot of OSU fans, they're by no means in the majority. I'd say UC has more fans, despite sort of being the "little brother" program of the state, but you'll get plenty of fans of UK, IU, Notre Dame, Xavier, etc. I bump into Michigan fans regularly, too.
I know the "Worst State Ever" meme gets a lot of traction on the board, but I'm a lifelong Michigan fan who's lived in Ohio all my life and never had much of an issue with the mouthbreather buckeye fans that are the stereotype. Not that they don't exist, but it's pretty easy to avoid places where those sorts of folks are going to be congregating. You'll run into the occasional dumbass in a bar or whatever, but I don't get anythign but good-natured ribbing when I wear Michigan stuff out and about.
But for the love of all that's holy, don't eat any Cincinnati style chili. Godawful.
skyline is delicious. if i fail at academia, i'm buying a skyline franchise.
I have lived in Cbus for five years now. I have lived in the past in Flint, NYC, Minneapolis, Chicago, Washington DC, and grew up in Detroit.
All I can say about Columbus is it is ok. It is far better than Cleveland or Detroit, there is no comparison. The economy was decent here even in the recession. The city is fairly well run, and they have a pretty solid educated class here.
The biggest drawback is Buckeye fans.
But as a place to live, it is better than many of the places I have been.
I think your analysis is spot on. I have lived not too far from Columbus, at least for a good part of each year, for the last three years. The rest of the time, I am in Maryland, between DC and Baltimore.
The biggest negative, of course, is the number of OSU fans, and they are everywhere. If we weren't Michigan fans, I doubt I would ever notice. Part of that may be due to the lack of professional sports teams, other than on NHL team. OSU is the sports machine. ("Ohio" doesn't cut it in this discussion because there are a fair number of Ohio graduates here too).
Columbus has decent, but typically not great, food, a fair amount of concerts and is generally, an easy city to navigate. People are friendly with the exception of one topic. There are a couple of excellent malls....Easton and Polaris, both are as good as any place anywere I have ever visited, and an old "food center" known as North Market, which has some very decent food stores, including a bakery that is excellent, a hard thing to find in Ohio.
My friend had an internship with the Blue Jackets one year so I went down to visit him. Only stayed in the arena district and then drove through OSU's campus. From what I saw, the city seemed real nice and my friend had an awesome park right by the house he was renting. But I will say that it was very expensive. All the bars and restaurants we went to seemed incredibly pricy. But again, I feel as though I was in the ritzy part of town.
There but I'm gonna go out on a limb and call it a piece of shit...
Well you should go there, just so you aren't speaking from ignorance. I'm not flaming you, I think its a piece of shit too. Of course, my memories of Columbus are shaped to a large extent, by the fact that I was wearing maize on game day in the shoe.
that it was a fairly sophisticated college town/ state capitol, in the fashion of Indianapolis and Madison. My first and only stay there, though, altered that view a bit. This was for a youth sports tournament, and I was surprised at the influence of Appalachia- not that there is anything wrong with that. I am sure that other events and other parts of town do not draw as many hilljacks, but Indianapolis and Madison it is not.
I'm just curious what youth sport you were playing. We have our share of hilljacks around here, but we also have a very large rural agrarian population, who on the surface could be confused for said hillbilly.
If you drive your mobile meth lab to your son's baseball tournament, you might be a redneck. (It sounds funny in the Jeff Foxworthy voice in my head)
The tournament shared a huge urban park with what seemed to be a convention of the Hatfields and McCoys. On a tangent here, perhaps the most beautiful college campus I have seen was not far away- as the crow flies- Kenyon College. The roads seem to follow bridal paths.
Do you remember if you were on the south end of town?
You have to be thinking of Berliner park. I had a cross country meet there one time and the wind was blowing the wrong way from the trash incineration plant. Not a good combination.
Columbus is actually a pretty well educated area. The surrounding area is much more Appalacian than the rural areas of Michigan (probably due to the proximity to Appaliacia), but I'm guessing the event you attended probably drew more from the surrounding areas than from Columbus itself.
Largely because Columbus has jobs and many of the surrounding areas don't. Several of my wife's cousins, who grew up in Appalachia, moved to Columbus for that very reason. Most of them didn't like it or couldn't hack it and moved back to the Portsmouth area or to northeastern Kentucky.
I find the comparison to Indianapolis interesting. I have been an Ohio resident for many years. I am not overly familiar with Indianapolis, but aside from NW Indiana near Chicago, my experience has always been traveling to/through Indiana is like a time warp to the past...right down to the decor of Wendy's. I dont mean that to be critical, I have no issue with the Hoosier state.
Columbus does lack professional sports presence, but that would be the case in Indianapolis as well if Indiana had the influence on it that TUOOS has in Columbus.
As far as the Appalachia influence, if you sincerely think that you have not had much experience with Applachian culture nor spent much time in the area. Columbus is overall a very liberal community (still amazes me that the only major paper, the Dispatch, has such a conservative slant) which is as non-Appalachia as you can get. I will agree that if you go very far south or east of Columbus, you will find some areas/communities that very much have an Appalachian flavor.
I grew up and live about 45 minutes outside Cbus. It really isn't a bad city, not that I've lived all over the US or anything. My biggest complaint about it has always been that Ohio has way too much influence over the persona and policies of the city. There are a lot of nice neighborhoods with a variety of high quality culinary and shopping districts. They have a great zoo and public parks system. Traffic is meh. Overall, it's not a bad place if you can stomach obnoxious Bucknuts.
I'm also curious, what was Shelley like? I've heard he is a very low key and friendly guy. A friend of mine has a deer hunting "farm" I guess you'd call it in SE Ohio and Shelley has hunted there several times.
Jody and I grew up together and he is a very down to earth guy. I don't get to see him a whole lot, but we talk a least once a month and see eachother once a year at his golf tournament when he comes home.
I guess if I had to tell you what he is like I would say he is just a genuinely nice person. He hasn't changed much from when we were teenagers except for the fact that he has a lot more money now. He's easy to talk to and always has time for people. I would bet that of the attendees at the tournament there were only a handful of people who actually know Jody (and they were all in our group), but he stopped and talked to everyone we passed and made a conscious effort to speak to as many people as he could after the tournament was over. He is just a really great person.
Like most other big cities it has some nice areas (mostly suburban, there are some safer spots downtown), but also has its fair share of "don't go there alone at night" places. I've had my license plates ripped off while staying on campus, probably for my Michigan bumper stickers. I'd have to say that it is a shade better than Toledo in the "I hope I don't get mugged" category.
I would be more afraid of what a drunk Buckeye fan would do to my Michigan adorned vehicle than general fear of danger in Columbus. The only time I've had trouble was on the East Side on Livingston Avenue trying to buy booze at a Stop and Shop at midnight. I was underaged and heard they didn't ID. Bad move, but I definitely put myself in a bad situation. I used to shoot pool on campus and the East and Southeast side and never had trouble. Of course, that was 15 years ago. I hear about shootings in different areas I used to frequent so maybe things are changing.
I glad to hear you lived through your Livingston Avenue experience. Not everyone can say that. Livingston crosses the epicenter of violence in Columbus. A close friend of the family is a Pastor at a church in that area and could certainly share some stories.
I dated a girl that went to Hartley and worked at an old car dealership that had been converted to an arcade/indoor carnival on East Main in the same area. I got the crap beat out of me on that beer run and a bunch of my racist HS classmates wanted to go back up there get "revenge" for me being stupid I guess. My dad grew up in an industrial/ghetto part of Buffalo and his take was pretty much that I was an idiot for being there, a conclusion I quickly reached as well. I'm not sure how I ended up working and hanging out on the East Side when I grew up in a town of 3500 people. My friend's family used to own the Yearling Road Market in Whitehall, so I'm sure that was a factor.
Well..... if I could pack up and move my friends anywhere, Columbus would still be in the top half of B1G cities to live in, easily trumping Lincoln, West Lafayette, Bloomington, Champaign, State College, Iowa City and East Lansing. And I've never lived through a Minnesota winter, so can't really make a definitive statement there.
@bacon1431 - sounds like you were in a ritzy part of town; I generally think of Columbus as appealingly inexpensive for a 600,000+ city - housing is cheap enough, which is nice. I also like the fact that you can get from anywhere in town to anywhere else within 20 minutes.
For other Columbus residents here, do you ever get the sense that there's a generally silent but sizeable minority of folks here who are either Michigan fans or who just flat-out loathe the Buckeyes because of well... you know? I actually usually don't get a lot of crap when I wear a Michigan shirt around town (granted I avoid campus bars on game days) and am indeed more likely to get a knowing grin and a 'Go Blue'
I like to believe that a large group of people get annoyed with the obnoxious portion of the buckeye fanbase, to the point that they become Michigan fans in spite of general concensus, regardless of any affiliation with the University of Michigan.
It is funny you would say that. I was raised a TUOOS fan and did in fact lose interest in their athletic program because of the embarrassment of being associated with the fan base as a whole. My becoming a Michigan fan was in no small part because of the harassment I received for not being a TUOOS fan. Story ensues:
I had a 6th grade teacher, Ohio fan, who was aware of my departure from the ranks of the Ohio fandom. As the game approached that fall, she would harass me in class, up to and including stopping class just to ridicule me for not being a TUOOS fan. It irritated me to the point that I asked another teacher if she would assist me in a little mischief (Michigan Alum). The Friday before the game she let us in the building and into the other teacher's room (supervised by her) a couple hours before class. We proceeded to decorate her entire room in maize and blue streamers, posters, and chalk. It was truly a work of art. At this point I was not yet a Michigan fan but rather a disgruntled non-TUOOS fan. The mayhem this act resulted in that day at school and the number of idiots that were pushed into blind rage was comical. It was at that point I realized I could irritate nearly every ignorant person in central Ohio by being a Michigan fan. Over time, my fandom for Michigan became sincere, now to the point of season tickets for a decade and true physical discomfort when we lose.
If I had to estimate loyalty, I would estimate that 10% of Franklin County residents consider themselves Michigan fans. I would also think that upwards of 20-30% are not TUOOS fans for one reason or another. That being said, the grip the dark side has on the remainder is tight...often resulting in hypoxia of the brain.
Your comparisons are interesting. Although he didn't specifically ask about Big Ten cities, I understand where you're coming from. If you're forced to pick a Big Ten city, then yeah, Columbus would be top half.
After considering the bottom half, the cities you listed, that's an easy call.
I've been to Columbus numerous times for business and share a similar opinion with many posters here- it's okay. The perception is definitely downgraded because of the peoples' attitudes, which I think speaks volumes about both the city and its citizens.
refer to columbus as gods country and i feel sorry for them people because if you believe that to be true, you really must be stupid.
The last time I was in Columbus was 9 years ago, interviewing for residency.
The area immediately around campus was awful; put the G in student ghetto.
Downtown, Short North, was great. Definitely was a city I could have spent 4 years at. My then girlfriend, now wife was shocked when calling her on the drive back. She figured I would break out in hives once I crossed the Columbus city limits.
I travel to Springfield/Columbus for work fairly regularly. There are actually some very nice people there. If you could take away OSU, you'd have a great place to live and work. Sadly, you can't though. Therefore, it sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls.
...to what is supposed to be one of the most informed and literate college football blogs in the U.S.
So, as a reminder, quite unlike Ann Arbor, here are a few things the Columbus area has going for it:
- A state capitol;
- A thriving business community with numerous national headquarters, i.e., Nationwide Insurance and Cardinal Health;
- Some downtown neighborhoods that are rich in restaurants and social amenities;
- A golf club (Scioto) that has hosted major tournaments;
- Another golf club (Muifield Village) that annually hosts the closest regular-season tour event to a major;
- An NHL franchise, and;
- A fun minor league baseball franchise.
Now, Ann Arbor is a very nice place. An exceptionally nice place, where I lived for several years as a student and where I continue to occasionally work, in courtrooms and law offices. But until Ann Arbor can say things about itself that are clearly superior (not just the equal) to Columbus, I don't see where we got off in trashtalking.
If you are posting on this thread and are 16, and you have never been to Columbus, nor to a football game in Ohio Stadium, could you please identify yourself so that the rest of us can gauge accordingly?
Ann Arbor is the University of Michigan, they dont need a pathetic hockey club or minor league baseball to talk trash about that shit hole in ohio. When your fans shit in coolers and spit on people for wearing another teams colors you bring down the rest of the demographic, no matter how snooty they think they are. Besides we have one thing Columbus wishes they had; Mott Childrens Hospital, that alone makes A2 better
Not to denigrate Mott in any way, but have you heard of Nationwide Children's Hospital? My daughter was there for 3 weeks after birth and I cannot imagine a place I'd rather her have been.
Columbus has Nationwide Children's Hospital, which, according to US News, is equal to or better than Mott's in every area except orthopedics.
And brand new. I interviewed there an got a tour of it, it's phenomenal (haven't been to the new motts so i can't compare directly)
Knowing that my brother and I are Dr.'s Jody mentioned this specifically when discussing Columbus and the many new great things that are going on there. He spoke very highly of the Hospital but I don't know to hwat extent he and his family have utilized it.
Great post. I think we let our fandome cloud our objectivity too often in life. While I despise the Ohio sports teams, it's ignorant to deny the positive impact the school has on the local community. I guess I want the positive impact the school brings without having to endure the rah rah people all the time. I'd be happy if they could even be neutral. If you are from Ohio and don't root for the Buckeyes, it's like you have a third eye or something.
I'm surprised I actually had to look at who the author was of this work of art (post)
I've lived in Ann Arbor and Columbus. There is no comparison. Ann Arbor is a much nicer place to live -- and if you want to get away for a weekend, there is much, much more to do within a two to three hour drive. In Columbus, you have Columbus, and that can be quite suffocating.
I'm not doubting your experience, but "nice" is a very subjective term. It's also hard to compare the livabilty of two cities with a 1.5 million metro area population difference. I will probably get hammered for this, but I went to Ohio University, which has a beautiful campus and surrounding area, and I was underwhelmed on my few trips to Ann Arbor to visit my brother. They were not extended stays and my brother is not exactly on the cutting edge of what's happening anywhere other than the library, so I can only judge what I saw.
I agree with the content of your post, other than the first sentence. It's hilarious that of all people you would call a thread an embarrassment after countless repetetive diaries and wall posts about you know who.
This is what I was looking for. For people here on the blog to put aside their competitive hatred for OSU and give an honest account of what they really think about Columbus. A lot have and I am grateful for that. The others on the oother hand....
That since my post earlier this morning, I see a fair number of fair-minded posts from other MGoBloggers helping to walk us back from the precipice of fanaticism.
and my only real complaint about it is when the locals turn into Bucknuts.
and Columbus not so much.
(though to be fair Columbus ranks pretty highly too)
So a number of professional sources with no dog in the fight think of Ann Arbor as a far better place to live. Of course, I'll admit, that none of them took into account Section 1's obsession with golf into their rankings.
Doesn't mean Columbus is a bad place to live. Might be a better place for you. (Though I thought you were looking to move to Tucson..). Just means to say that there's no basis to claim Ann Arbor is superior is just flat out wrong.
My sister and brother-in law live in Columbus. I was there a few weeks ago to visit them actually. My sister works at the new children's Hospital and she gave me a tour. I have to say it is very impressive. My brother-in law works at University Hospital which is nice despite being with in sight of that awful looking stadium. If I was not a Michigan fan, i would have no problem raising a family and living there. Heck, even as a Michigan fan, I could see myself tolerating it for the right situation. The city itself is pretty affluent and nice.
Look, I like Columbus too and have lived there for the past 9 years, but:
1) Golf sucks
2) Red Wings >>> Blue Jackets > the empty shell of an arena that we'll see in 5 years if the Jackets continue at their current pace
3) Zingermans >>>> Katzingers
4) The 2 (20?) % of jackhole Buckeye fans really are that bad.
I'll give you the Dispatch being better than the Free Press, but Ann Arbor is still the queen of my heart.
Now, if you are going to accept all of the negatives that go with "Detroit" as you attempt to glom on to one of Detroit's discrete commercial assets, then you are going to have to explain a major, uh, shithole. Sorry.
And yes; in almost every imaginable way -- but especially its coverage of college football (staying on topic within this here blog) -- everyone at the Dispatch does a better job than their counterparts at the Free Press.
I like Zingermans.
If "golf sucks," then Michigan might as well just asphalt-over its incomparable and irreplaceable Alister Mackenzie/Perry Maxwell-designed golf course. Somehow, I don't think that's very high on David Brandon's (GHIN index 6.7 at Barton Hills) to-do list.
I'll give you that the Dispatch is a better product than Freep. But that is like saying it is better than a big greasy s**t sandwich. It is with good reason many in Cbus refer to it as the Columbus Disgrace.
Columbus is a fine city. As far as cities in Ohio, it is one of the best. If I had to live in Ohio again, Columbus would be my first choice.
There is a lot going on in the city and a bunch of interesting neighborhoods.
I've even had a lot of fun partying on the OSU campus. The bar scene is much more diverse and extensive than in Ann Arbor.
If you view everything through a lense of college football and walk around with a big sign that says MICHIGAN MAN then you will doubtlessly find people to take the bait. However, there's no reason to do that and if you do then you get what you deserve. Most people in Columbus are just regular people. They aren't going to dislike you because of the college football team you root for.
From the time I was in high school and would go there a couple times a year, it struck me as insular and prejudiced towards "outsiders," which even included people from the northern part of Ohio. For years in the 70s and 80s, the state government in Columbus spent heavily to build the city at the expense of the other cities in the state, who were footing the bill with their taxes. They have an army of people in Columbus environs who drive around sporting their Buckeye hats in their red pickup trucks who never set foot in a college classroom in their lives, but who act as if they played football there. But it begins and ends with the school. It will be a bush league town so long as the only thing that really matters down there is ohio state sports, and that remains the only thing that matters down there. They wanted pro sports, got a hockey team, and cannot support that when there is no competition other than ohio state sports. Do you hear about the Columbus Symphony? The ballet? Theater? The art museum? Nope. Second rate at all things except ohio state sports.
Contrary to what you posted, Columbus does have a symphony, ballet, theater and art museums. Most major groups that go on tour come through Columbus.
Is Columbus one of America's great cities....nope, but then again, in the midwest, the only city that meets that criteria would be Chicago.
I may be misunderstanding his post, but I think what he is saying is despite the fact that they have those things, the only thing you ever hear about is the buckeyes. In other words, they have other things in the area but no one cares about them.
I might be wrong about that, but that is how I took his post. I am also not saying that if he intended the post to mean that, that it is actually the case. I have no idea what people in Columbus care about which was part of the reason for my post.
It's clean and boring. Columbus lacks the grit and character (history?) that places like Cleveland (aside from its urban rot) or Cinci have. I could be dropped into Columbus and not really be able to discern it from any other cities that have grown in the last 30 years (e.g., Raliegh,NC or Columbia, SC).
Do a lot of business in Columbus, therefore I am familiar with it. When you take away the ugly Scarlet and Gray and annoyance of Buckeyes, Columbus is a great town.
Aside from Chicago (which really isn't a comp), I would actually have to say that C Bus is the best city in the Midwest (AA is not a comp in my eyes)
Great city, lots to do, and excellent infrastructure and employment base. Interesting tidbit - C Bus became so large, and nice, due to the fact that they would force the growing suburbs to become part of the city in order for the burbs to tap into the water system.
I bet the City of Deteoit wishes the would've done the same.
Detroit did do the same, actually. The city did a lot of annexing in the early part of the 20th century. Swallowed up a lot of its suburbs. Brightmoor was one. In fact a few suburbs (such as Fordson) merged with other suburbs so they wouldn't be swallowed up by Detroit, and legend also has it the only reason the city stopped in certain places is because that was the extent of the fire coverage.
Note how "Outer Drive" which was intended to be the city's border, runs through the middle of parts of it.
As midwestern American cities go, Columbus is passable. Columbus seems to have more to offer than Flint, and Detroit, and Cleveland, and Buffalo. I actually lived in Columbus one summer while a student. It has bad areas and good areas. I guess it is on a par with Indianapolis and Cincinnati and Des Moines and Grand Rapids. But, like many other "nice" cities, it has its limitations. Even though LA & Miami & NY & New Orleans & San Francisco & Chicago & Seattle have slums and seedy areas, they are diverse and cosmopolitan and large and have museums and culture and restaurants and history on a very different scale than Columbus.
Aside from being home to hands down the worst fanbase in North America, Columbus is honestly and truly great for what it is.
Compared to some place like Chicago or Montreal or Toronto, I can't really take it seriously as a city. And Columbus definitely doesn't have the rough hewn je ne sais quoi of old-guard Rust Belt cities like Cleveland and Cincy that . It will never have New Orleans' decadent charm, or Detroit's erstwhile magnificence in decay. But... would still rather *live* in Columbus than any of the last 4 places I mentioned.
edit: A major downside for Columbus is that the area east of campus where students live is generally pretty trashy, even by the admittedly lax standards of campus areas. That's the one area where I wish OSU would hold its own with Ann Arbor, because there's been a pretty big crime problem there - including some arson cases and even an execution-style shooting over drugs - over the past decade.
edit-edit: Another fun fact: you know how our Buckeye friends get tetchy about how we call them Ohio? In a similar vein, Columbus collectively has a complex about being called "Columbus, OHIO" The thought is that Columbus is easily the biggest city that bears its name, so why add the "Ohio" qualifier? Another way you can get under the skin of people in the 614.
Columbus population: 790,000.
Ann Arbor population: 114,000.
C square miles: 213
A2 square miles: 28
Columbus is a good sized city, while Ann Arbor is a large college town.
As for me, personally, I thought Columbus was okay (my experience was campus and whatever they call their Greek "Row", since it's actually more like a neighborhood). It has all the things you would look for in a campus area, High Street is great, ect. but the two cities aren't really alike.
is really pretty nice. On a sunny day, do a walk in that area to the stadium and back again.
Other parts of Cbus (like others note, which are common to larger cities) are not so great and just drive through without stopping.
So in a nutshell, good from far but far from good?
My unbiased opinion: it sucks.
I've done a ton of traveling, been to Cbus several times and I've lived in several cities (PDX, Seattle, Denver, Boulder, DC). There is nothing in Cbus that would make we want to visit for pleasure oand I wouldn't move there for a higher paying job. On a scale of 1-10 (Gary, Ind - Kauai) I'd give it 5.
I loved Kauai ever since I was there cleaning up after Iniki, but you can only rank it that high if you're really into island life. Its pretty sparse on culture unless you're really into the "cultural center" stuff and chickens. I like urban centers and diversity, and by diversity I don't mean American, German and Japanese tourists, and by urban centers I don't mean tourist traps and ABC stores.
I visited my sister there in the Spring of 2011 for my first time. I would have to say I enjoyed my time there. However, it did help that I A) Didn't wear anything Michigan (wasn't in the mood to get harassed) and B) Wasn't football season obviously. If this was the case, what I am writing below I probably wouldn't be saying.
Anyways, I stayed in the area between the actual campus and downtown Columbus, where a lot of the really old houses/duplexes are (forgot the name of the district). It was a real nice, clean, and quiet area. I bought a one day pass to the campus work-out place and it was pretty sweet. They had a track on the top floor that I ran around and you could see inside the football stadium from there. Also played tennis on the courts right next to the stadium (hit a ball as hard as I could that went into the stadium lol). The library there was really cool...and ginormous. Sat in my sister's grad class in the College of Health building (?)...real old but interesting building. The AAA baseball team they have has a cool stadium, right next to a cool food market.
Never really talked to anyone on campus besides my sister and brother-in-law so hard to say if the people were nice or not (outside of football talk).
Honestly? From visits, and from people I know who live there....seems like a fine place to raise a family. I say this on the assumption that the worst, most hateful, crazy-ass Buckeye fans live in smalltown Ohio and not in Columbus itself. I imagine game weekends are dreadful, but I'll bet when its not football season it's a very liveable place.
Ann Arbor is still eleventy billion times better, obviously.
The only data point I'm going to add is that my brother spent a summer in Columbus and came back with scabies.
Is this an indictment against Columbus, or your brother?
Columbus Brewing makes a pretty darn good IPA.
I went there for a ufc fight in 2007, not a bad town plus they have a Gordon Biersch!
for the Ohio campus that is lame and the terrible, classless fanbase. Columbus, the city, is nice.
Columbus is named for a guy who drew an inaccurate map, got lost in the middle of the ocean, then got false credit for discovering America.
Now, it's full of false braggarts and conniving liars.
It's a fine little town. Had a friend who lives there years ago, and the downtown is fine. The buckeye-ness of the campus kind of ruins the city on gameday, but it is fine. They had really good ice cream in that little center market area.
You're thinking of Jeni's ice cream. She's expanded in the last ten years and has 7 or 8 shops around Cbus now, and distributes to stores as far away as NYC and DC.
after the last round of the Memorial. It was better than beer.
Columbus is a good city.
The dickhead osu fans are much more than 2% unfortunately. I regularly get serious negative comments about being from Michigan. Some people are better when they learn I went to U of M. Some get worse.
But the city itself is nice. They spend all kinds of money on parks and activities for the city. And the fact it's a state capital means it gets all kinds of extra cash that should go to the rest of the state. The population is slanted to young professionals and there's always something to do. Just don't talk football and expect anyone to know anything other than that they root for osu.
I liked cinci better. Columbus feels like a much smaller town. Cinci is very metropolitan, and much more southern. It doesn't feel like part of Ohio.
But, from my memories, AA was better.
She was from Atlanta when we met, and always said she wanted to get back there... but after a few years she said she just wanted to be able to visit Atlanta now and then...
20 years together now in Dublin, just outside Columbus. Great city, great community and excellent schools.
I grew up in Cadillac and went to UM from '86 - '90 and have lived down here ever since. The Buckeye fans get obnoxious in numbers, but are generally good Americans...
Jody's house is in my neighborhood and he and his wife are very nice. Hard to believe he was the enforcer for the blue jackets, he seems so cool and relaxed.
I'm on Higgins Lake this week, and Ohio does not have anything like it, that is for sure... Probably what I miss most about Michigan are the lakes and rivers...
As for the enforcer part, I agree wholeheartedly. He was never a fighter growing up and never had the personality of one. We played hockey together from the time we were 10 and were both considered skill players, not the grinder, fighter types. Even in Jody's last year in the Q he had a pretty good offensive year, but he Knew the only way he would get into the league was to fight. Interestingly that was my only ticket as well but I elected to go to University instead. There have been many times I look back on that decision and wish I made the other choice.
Columbus called the inhabitants of the lands he visited Indians, as if he had actually reached the goal of his trip to the East Indies. He continued to deny that he had instead reached a different continent.
Now, after naming Columbus, Ohio after one of the biggest deniers in history, the city is full of people who deny their home school’s lying and cheating ways.
That is all.
If you like endless strip malls, tracts of bland suburban houses and eating at chains like Applebees, you'll love it. Not much character in a city where cornfields run up to the city limits, but hey they are trying.
Do NOT go during football season. And make sure you check out Thurman's Cafe for a huge burger. I did go wearing a Michigan T-shirt and although I got some mean looks, the people were generally nice. No one, to my knowledge, spit in my food. But there was a girl behind the bar who was a Michigan fan, so I had SOME protection. Cool place. But its JUST far enough outside the area where the university is to be out of the line of fire.
It's better than Cleveland and Toledo, but it's still in ohio.
I think it smells like armpit on a 100 degree day.
One compound word......SHITHOLE! I am sorry to say it but my entire family lives in Columbus and the outskirts. It really is not that bad as much as the people in it.(like previously stated) I think all the people living in that town with a buckeye sized brain are the real problem not the actual appearance of the city. Like I said my whole family lives there and I enjoy it as long as I do not have to interact with idiot ass ohio fans. I can not tell you how many times I have just been in ohio and I have got flicked off by A BUNCH of trash bag ohio fans. So to me it is a place where rednecks go that could not quite make it to the south. GO BLUE! CLASS ABOVE TRASH
After reading and thinking about all of my experiences in Columbus and Cincy I can pretty much draw the conclusion that I hate the state and every Suckeye fan in it. I wear my Michigan shirts and hats to famil reunions just to stir them up and they sure enough wear scarlet and gray just out of instict. Ohio is the most REDNECK and TRASHY state occupant wise besides Alabama. Alabama #1 and Ohio #2. It is so much different in AA when you see an ohio fan, it is just a joke and we laugh it off, in ohio they see a Michigan fan and they eye ball you, cuss you, try to fight, and flick you off. I have had maybe 2 people besides my family in that state not do any of the above. The eye ball is ok but that was EVERYWHERE and happens even with my family. Point being, its TRASHY.