Way OT: Your thoughts on the city of Columbus

Submitted by Blue in Yarmouth on

Having never been to the city before I have no real basis from which to draw any conclusion so I thought I would ask the board. For my part, my only information about the city of Columbus comes from this board which has always made it sound like a sewer and I just took that to be true.

On Friday I played in a golf tournament with Jody Shelley of the Philadelphia Flyers who although he plays for Philly, lives in Columbus. He has lived there since he signed his first NHL contract a number of years ago and when I asked if it was just because his wife was from there he said "no, it's just a great little city".

Now this isn't a guy who hasn't been around either. During the seasons he obviously lives in the city of the team he plays for (or very close by). He has lived in NYC and San Jose as well but still loves Columbus. My brother was part of our team as well and has been to Columbus a couple of times and said he also thought it was a nice city. 

I guess my question to the board is what is it about the city that makes everyone here hate it so much? Is it just that it's the home of the buckeyes or is there more to it? Additionally he also said the people there are great...I suppose if you are a member of the team they cheer for then that's possible...

.Anyway, I am genuinely interested in your opinions of the City of Columbus and whether the distain for the city is mostly due to the team that calls it home.

1464

July 9th, 2012 at 9:55 AM ^

Columbus is actually a pretty well educated area.  The surrounding area is much more Appalacian than the rural areas of Michigan (probably due to the proximity to Appaliacia), but I'm guessing the event you attended probably drew more from the surrounding areas than from Columbus itself.

befuggled

July 9th, 2012 at 12:01 PM ^

Largely because Columbus has jobs and many of the surrounding areas don't. Several of my wife's cousins, who grew up in Appalachia, moved to Columbus for that very reason. Most of them didn't like it or couldn't hack it and moved back to the Portsmouth area or to northeastern Kentucky.

OSUMC Wolverine

July 9th, 2012 at 10:08 AM ^

I find the comparison to Indianapolis interesting.  I have been an Ohio resident for many years.  I am not overly familiar with Indianapolis, but aside from  NW Indiana near Chicago, my experience has always been traveling to/through Indiana is like a time warp to the past...right down to the decor of Wendy's.  I dont mean that to be critical, I have no issue with the Hoosier state.

Columbus does lack professional sports presence, but that would be the case in Indianapolis as well if Indiana had the influence on it that TUOOS has in Columbus.

As far as the Appalachia influence, if you sincerely think that you have not had much experience with Applachian culture nor spent much time in the area.  Columbus is overall a very liberal community (still amazes me that the only major paper, the Dispatch, has such a conservative slant) which is as non-Appalachia as you can get.  I will agree that if you go very far south or east of Columbus, you will find some areas/communities that very much have an Appalachian flavor.

74polSKA

July 9th, 2012 at 9:30 AM ^

I grew up and live about 45 minutes outside Cbus.  It really isn't a bad city, not that I've lived all over the US or anything.  My biggest complaint about it has always been that Ohio has way too much influence over the persona and policies of the city.  There are a lot of nice neighborhoods with a variety of high quality culinary and shopping districts.  They have a great zoo and public parks system.  Traffic is meh.  Overall, it's not a bad place if you can stomach obnoxious Bucknuts.

I'm also curious, what was Shelley like?  I've heard he is a very low key and friendly guy.  A friend of mine has a deer hunting "farm" I guess you'd call it in SE Ohio and Shelley has hunted there several times. 

Blue in Yarmouth

July 9th, 2012 at 10:27 AM ^

Jody and I grew up together and he is a very down to earth guy. I don't get to see him a whole lot, but we talk a least once a month and see eachother once a year at his golf tournament when he comes home. 

I guess if I had to tell you what he is like I would say he is just a genuinely nice person. He hasn't changed much from when we were teenagers except for the fact that he has a lot more money now. He's easy to talk to and always has time for people. I would bet that of the attendees at the tournament there were only a handful of people who actually know Jody (and they were all in our group), but he stopped and talked to everyone we passed and made a conscious effort to speak to as many people as he could after the tournament was over. He is just a really great person.

corundum

July 9th, 2012 at 9:34 AM ^

Like most other big cities it has some nice areas (mostly suburban, there are some safer spots downtown), but also has its fair share of "don't go there alone at night" places. I've had my license plates ripped off while staying on campus, probably for my Michigan bumper stickers. I'd have to say that it is a shade better than Toledo in the "I hope I don't get mugged" category.

74polSKA

July 9th, 2012 at 9:42 AM ^

I would be more afraid of what a drunk Buckeye fan would do to my Michigan adorned vehicle than general fear of danger in Columbus.  The only time I've had trouble was on the East Side on Livingston Avenue trying to buy booze at a Stop and Shop at midnight.  I was underaged and heard they didn't ID.  Bad move, but I definitely put myself in a bad situation.  I used to shoot pool on campus and the East and Southeast side and never had trouble.  Of course, that was 15 years ago.  I hear about shootings in different areas I used to frequent so maybe things are changing.

74polSKA

July 9th, 2012 at 10:25 AM ^

I dated a girl that went to Hartley and worked at an old car dealership that had been converted to an arcade/indoor carnival on East Main in the same area.  I got the crap beat out of me on that beer run and a bunch of my racist HS classmates wanted to go back up there get "revenge" for me being stupid I guess.  My dad grew up in an industrial/ghetto part of Buffalo and his take was pretty much that I was an idiot for being there, a conclusion I quickly reached as well.  I'm not sure how I ended up working and hanging out on the East Side when I grew up in a town of 3500 people.  My friend's family used to own the Yearling Road Market in Whitehall, so I'm sure that was a factor.

kehnonymous

July 9th, 2012 at 9:37 AM ^

Well..... if I could pack up and move my friends anywhere, Columbus would still be in the top half of B1G cities to live in, easily trumping Lincoln, West Lafayette, Bloomington, Champaign, State College, Iowa City and East Lansing.  And I've never lived through a Minnesota winter, so can't really make a definitive statement there.

@bacon1431 - sounds like you were in a ritzy part of town; I generally think of Columbus as appealingly inexpensive for a 600,000+ city - housing is cheap enough, which is nice.  I also like the fact that you can get from anywhere in town to anywhere else within 20 minutes.

For other Columbus residents here, do you ever get the sense that there's a generally silent but sizeable minority of folks here who are either Michigan fans or who just flat-out loathe the Buckeyes because of well... you know?  I actually usually don't get a lot of crap when I wear a Michigan shirt around town (granted I avoid campus bars on game days) and am indeed more likely to get a knowing grin and a 'Go Blue'

OSUMC Wolverine

July 9th, 2012 at 10:28 AM ^

It is funny you would say that.  I was raised a TUOOS fan and did in fact lose interest in their athletic program because of the embarrassment of being associated with the fan base as a whole.  My becoming a Michigan fan was in no small part because of the harassment I received for not being a TUOOS fan.  Story ensues:

I had a 6th grade teacher, Ohio fan, who was aware of my departure from the ranks of the Ohio fandom.  As the game approached that fall, she would harass me in class, up to and including stopping class just to ridicule me for not being a TUOOS fan.  It irritated me to the point that I asked another teacher if she would assist me in a little mischief (Michigan Alum).  The Friday before the game she let us in the building and into the other teacher's room (supervised by her) a couple hours before class.  We proceeded to decorate her entire room in maize and blue streamers, posters, and chalk.  It was truly a work of art.  At this point I was not yet a Michigan fan but rather a disgruntled non-TUOOS fan.  The mayhem this act resulted in that day at school and the number of idiots that were pushed into blind rage was comical.  It was at that point I realized I could irritate nearly every ignorant person in central Ohio by being a Michigan fan.  Over time, my fandom for Michigan became sincere, now to the point of season tickets for a decade and true physical discomfort when we lose.

If I had to estimate loyalty, I would estimate that 10% of Franklin County residents consider themselves Michigan fans.  I would also think that upwards of 20-30% are not TUOOS fans for one reason or another.  That being said, the grip the dark side has on the remainder is tight...often resulting in hypoxia of the brain.

APBlue

July 9th, 2012 at 10:54 AM ^

Your comparisons are interesting. Although he didn't specifically ask about Big Ten cities, I understand where you're coming from. If you're forced to pick a Big Ten city, then yeah, Columbus would be top half.
After considering the bottom half, the cities you listed, that's an easy call.
I've been to Columbus numerous times for business and share a similar opinion with many posters here- it's okay. The perception is definitely downgraded because of the peoples' attitudes, which I think speaks volumes about both the city and its citizens.

gopoohgo

July 9th, 2012 at 9:38 AM ^

The last time I was in Columbus was 9 years ago, interviewing for residency.

The area immediately around campus was awful; put the G in student ghetto.

Downtown, Short North, was great.  Definitely was a city I could have spent 4 years at.  My then girlfriend, now wife was shocked when calling her on the drive back.  She figured I would break out in hives once I crossed the Columbus city limits.

 

readyourguard

July 9th, 2012 at 9:39 AM ^

I travel to Springfield/Columbus for work fairly regularly. There are actually some very nice people there. If you could take away OSU, you'd have a great place to live and work. Sadly, you can't though. Therefore, it sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls.

Section 1

July 9th, 2012 at 9:46 AM ^

...to what is supposed to be one of the most informed and literate college football blogs in the U.S.

So, as a reminder, quite unlike Ann Arbor, here are a few things the Columbus area has going for it:

  • A state capitol;
  • A thriving business community with numerous national headquarters, i.e., Nationwide Insurance and Cardinal Health;
  • Some downtown neighborhoods that are rich in restaurants and social amenities;
  • A golf club (Scioto) that has hosted major tournaments;
  • Another golf club (Muifield Village) that annually hosts the closest regular-season tour event to a major;
  • An NHL franchise, and;
  • A fun minor league baseball franchise.

Now, Ann Arbor is a very nice place.  An exceptionally nice place, where I lived for several years as a student and where I continue to occasionally work, in courtrooms and law offices.  But until Ann Arbor can say things about itself that are clearly superior (not just the equal) to Columbus, I don't see where we got off in trashtalking.

If you are posting on this thread and are 16, and you have never been to Columbus, nor to a football game in Ohio Stadium, could you please identify yourself so that the rest of us can gauge accordingly?

 

satellitecampusslap

July 9th, 2012 at 9:55 AM ^

Ann Arbor is the University of Michigan, they dont need a pathetic hockey club or minor league baseball to talk trash about that shit hole in ohio. When your fans shit in coolers and spit on people for wearing another teams colors you bring down the rest of the demographic, no matter how snooty they think they are. Besides we have one thing Columbus wishes they had; Mott Childrens Hospital, that alone makes A2 better

Blue in Yarmouth

July 9th, 2012 at 11:38 AM ^

Knowing that my brother and I are Dr.'s Jody mentioned this specifically when discussing Columbus and the many new great things that are going on there. He spoke very highly of the Hospital but I don't know to hwat extent he and his family have utilized it.

74polSKA

July 9th, 2012 at 9:53 AM ^

Great post.  I think we let our fandome cloud our objectivity too often in life.  While I despise the Ohio sports teams, it's ignorant to deny the positive impact the school has on the local community.  I guess I want the positive impact the school brings without having to endure the rah rah people all the time.  I'd be happy if they could even be neutral.  If you are from Ohio and don't root for the Buckeyes, it's like you have a third eye or something. 

EJG

July 9th, 2012 at 9:56 AM ^

I've lived in Ann Arbor and Columbus.  There is no comparison.  Ann Arbor is a much nicer place to live -- and if you want to get away for a weekend, there is much, much more to do within a two to three hour drive.  In Columbus, you have Columbus, and that can be quite suffocating.

74polSKA

July 9th, 2012 at 10:07 AM ^

I'm not doubting your experience, but "nice" is a very subjective term.  It's also hard to compare the livabilty of two cities with a 1.5 million metro area population difference.  I will probably get hammered for this, but I went to Ohio University, which has a beautiful campus and surrounding area, and I was underwhelmed on my few trips to Ann Arbor to visit my brother.  They were not extended stays and my brother is not exactly on the cutting edge of what's happening anywhere other than the library, so I can only judge what I saw.

M-Wolverine

July 9th, 2012 at 12:39 PM ^

and Columbus not so much.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2010/snapshots/PL2603000.html

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fsb/bestplaces/2008/top100/index.html

http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/bestplaces05.aspx

Dating

http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/datingcities.aspx

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-arbor-among-top-25-best-places-to-live-for-the-rich-and-single/

Crime

http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/crime3.aspx

Green cities

http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/greencities.aspx

Families

http://www.parenting.com/gallery/best-cities-2010-top-50-cities?view=home&pnid=113205

(though to be fair Columbus ranks pretty highly too)

Education

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-arbor-ranks-no-2-on-best-college-destinations-list/

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/08/30/the-10-most-educated-us-cities-boulder-ann-arbor-and-washington-dc-top-the-list?s_cid=rss:the-10-most-educated-us-cities-boulder-ann-arbor-and-washington-dc-top-the-list

 

So a number of professional sources with no dog in the fight think of Ann Arbor as a far better place to live.  Of course, I'll admit, that none of them took into account Section 1's obsession with golf into their rankings.  

Doesn't mean Columbus is a bad place to live. Might be a better place for you. (Though I thought you were looking to move to Tucson..).  Just means to say that there's no basis to claim Ann Arbor is superior is just flat out wrong.

dinsdale613

July 9th, 2012 at 9:43 AM ^

My sister and brother-in law live in Columbus.  I was there a few weeks ago to visit them actually.  My sister works at the new children's Hospital and she gave me a tour.  I have to say it is very impressive.  My brother-in law works at University Hospital which is nice despite being with in sight of that awful looking stadium.  If I was not a Michigan fan, i would have no problem raising a family and living there.  Heck, even as a Michigan fan, I could see myself tolerating it for the right situation.  The city itself is pretty affluent and nice.

kehnonymous

July 9th, 2012 at 9:50 AM ^

Look, I like Columbus too and have lived there for the past 9 years, but:

1) Golf sucks

2) Red Wings >>> Blue Jackets > the empty shell of an arena that we'll see in 5 years if the Jackets continue at their current pace

3) Zingermans >>>> Katzingers

4) The 2 (20?) % of jackhole Buckeye fans really are that bad.

I'll give you the Dispatch being better than the Free Press, but Ann Arbor is still the queen of my heart.

 

Section 1

July 9th, 2012 at 10:08 AM ^

Now, if you are going to accept all of the negatives that go with "Detroit" as you attempt to glom on to one of Detroit's discrete commercial assets, then you are going to have to explain a major, uh, shithole.  Sorry.

And yes; in almost every imaginable way -- but especially its coverage of college football (staying on topic within this here blog) -- everyone at the Dispatch does a better job than their counterparts at the Free Press.

I like Zingermans.

If "golf sucks," then Michigan might as well just asphalt-over its incomparable and irreplaceable Alister Mackenzie/Perry Maxwell-designed golf course.  Somehow, I don't think that's very high on David Brandon's (GHIN index 6.7 at Barton Hills) to-do list.

imafreak1

July 9th, 2012 at 9:54 AM ^

Columbus is a fine city. As far as cities in Ohio, it is one of the best. If I had to live in Ohio again, Columbus would be my first choice.

There is a lot going on in the city and a bunch of interesting neighborhoods.

I've even had a lot of fun partying on the OSU campus. The bar scene is much more diverse and extensive than in Ann Arbor.

If you view everything through a lense of college football and walk around with a big sign that says MICHIGAN MAN then you will doubtlessly find people to take the bait. However, there's no reason to do that and if you do then you get what you deserve. Most people in Columbus are just regular people. They aren't going to dislike you because of the college football team you root for.

Wolverine 73

July 9th, 2012 at 9:55 AM ^

From the time I was in high school and would go there a couple times a year, it struck me as insular and prejudiced towards "outsiders," which even included people from the northern part of Ohio.  For years in the 70s and 80s, the state government in Columbus spent heavily to build the city at the expense of the other cities in the state, who were footing the bill with their taxes. They have an army of people in Columbus environs who drive around sporting their Buckeye hats in their red pickup trucks who never set foot in a college classroom in their lives, but who act as if they played football there.  But it begins and ends with the school.  It will be a bush league town so long as the only thing that really matters down there is ohio state sports, and that remains the only thing that matters down there.  They wanted pro sports, got a hockey team, and cannot support that when there is no competition other than ohio state sports.  Do you hear about the Columbus Symphony?  The ballet?  Theater? The art museum?  Nope.  Second rate at all things except ohio state sports. 

bluebyyou

July 9th, 2012 at 10:24 AM ^

Contrary to what you posted, Columbus does have a symphony, ballet, theater and art museums.  Most major groups that go on tour come through Columbus. 

Is Columbus one of America's great cities....nope, but then again, in the midwest, the only city that meets that criteria would be Chicago.

Blue in Yarmouth

July 9th, 2012 at 11:43 AM ^

I may be misunderstanding his post, but I think what he is saying is despite the fact that they have those things, the only thing you ever hear about is the buckeyes. In other words, they have other things in the area but no one cares about them.

I might be wrong about that, but that is how I took his post. I am also not saying that if he intended the post to mean that, that it is actually the case. I have no idea what people in Columbus care about which was part of the reason for my post.

CRISPed in the DIAG

July 9th, 2012 at 9:55 AM ^

It's clean and boring.  Columbus lacks the grit and character (history?) that places like Cleveland (aside from its urban rot) or Cinci have.  I could be dropped into Columbus and not really be able to discern it from any other cities that have grown in the last 30 years (e.g., Raliegh,NC or Columbia, SC).  

Raback Omaba

July 9th, 2012 at 10:04 AM ^

Do a lot of business in Columbus, therefore I am familiar with it. When you take away the ugly Scarlet and Gray and annoyance of Buckeyes, Columbus is a great town.

Aside from Chicago (which really isn't a comp), I would actually have to say that C Bus is the best city in the Midwest (AA is not a comp in my eyes)

Great city, lots to do, and excellent infrastructure and employment base. Interesting tidbit - C Bus became so large, and nice, due to the fact that they would force the growing suburbs to become part of the city in order for the burbs to tap into the water system.

I bet the City of Deteoit wishes the would've done the same.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

July 9th, 2012 at 10:17 AM ^

Detroit did do the same, actually.  The city did a lot of annexing in the early part of the 20th century.  Swallowed up a lot of its suburbs.  Brightmoor was one.  In fact a few suburbs (such as Fordson) merged with other suburbs so they wouldn't be swallowed up by Detroit, and legend also has it the only reason the city stopped in certain places is because that was the extent of the fire coverage.

Note how "Outer Drive" which was intended to be the city's border, runs through the middle of parts of it.

StephenRKass

July 9th, 2012 at 10:11 AM ^

As midwestern American cities go, Columbus is passable. Columbus seems to have more to offer than Flint, and Detroit, and Cleveland, and Buffalo. I actually lived in Columbus one summer while a student. It has bad areas and good areas. I guess it is on a par with Indianapolis and Cincinnati and Des Moines and Grand Rapids. But, like many other "nice" cities, it has its limitations. Even though LA & Miami & NY & New Orleans & San Francisco & Chicago & Seattle have slums and seedy areas, they are diverse and cosmopolitan and large and have museums and culture and restaurants and history on a very different scale than Columbus.

kehnonymous

July 9th, 2012 at 10:26 AM ^

Aside from being home to hands down the worst fanbase in North America, Columbus is honestly and truly great for what it is. 

Compared to some place like Chicago or Montreal or Toronto, I can't really take it seriously as a city.  And Columbus definitely doesn't have the rough hewn je ne sais quoi of old-guard Rust Belt cities like Cleveland and Cincy that .  It will never have New Orleans' decadent charm, or Detroit's erstwhile magnificence in decay.  But... would still rather *live* in Columbus than any of the last 4 places I mentioned.

edit:  A major downside for Columbus is that the area east of campus where students live is generally pretty trashy, even by the admittedly lax standards of campus areas.  That's the one area where I wish OSU would hold its own with Ann Arbor, because there's been a pretty big crime problem there - including some arson cases and even an execution-style shooting over drugs - over the past decade.

edit-edit:  Another fun fact:  you know how our Buckeye friends get tetchy about how we call them Ohio?  In a similar vein, Columbus collectively has a complex about being called "Columbus, OHIO"  The thought is that Columbus is easily the biggest city that bears its name, so why add the "Ohio" qualifier?  Another way you can get under the skin of people in the 614.

justingoblue

July 9th, 2012 at 10:19 AM ^

Columbus population: 790,000.
Ann Arbor population: 114,000.

C square miles: 213
A2 square miles: 28

Columbus is a good sized city, while Ann Arbor is a large college town.

As for me, personally, I thought Columbus was okay (my experience was campus and whatever they call their Greek "Row", since it's actually more like a neighborhood). It has all the things you would look for in a campus area, High Street is great, ect. but the two cities aren't really alike.