ICP is awful. I'd never willfully listen to them. Jack White is alright, I guess, but to be honest, the whole of the Michigan music scene isn't really that impressive. There are exactly 0 artists from Michigan that I listen to on an even semi-regular basis.
Way OT: Is Jack White the coolest?
He wins coolest hands down. But Jack White does his thing pretty well too.
Jim James FTW!
Dude is not a great guitar player at all. I love their music, but very weak on the guitar. A high school kid can play their shit in 5 minutes with tableture.
He is def. not one of the best guitar players. His playing skill is comical, and I always become completely confused how he seems to make it on some lists.
If Dave Grohl didn't have the fortune of drumming for Kurt Cobain nobody would have ever heard of him. If you like middling rawk songs with a vocal style that always ends up in him screaming the chorus over and over at the end then he's your man. He is a far better drummer than guitar player and even then he's just "good".
Foo Fighters > Nickelback but not by a lot
Foo Fighters aren't the greatest rock band around, but they're miles and miles ahead of Nickelback. And Dave Grohl has some range as a singer/songwriter. I don't know how much of their stuff you've listened to, but if you listen to the albums instead of the singles, you'll see some impressive versatility.
Do you know how many of these stories there are in rock history?
I feel the same way.
"IS SOMEONE GETTING THE BEST? THE BEST? THE BEST? THE BEST? THE BEST? THE BEST? THE BEST? THE BEST? THE BEST? THE BEST OF YOU?"
"I NEVER WANNA DIE! I NEVER WANNA DIE! I NEVER WANNA DIE! I NEVER.."
Sure there's worse, but the accolades they receive just boggle the mind. Appreciation for all the foo they fight I guess. Someone has to do it.
So all the success he's had since Cobain offed himself is because he drummed for Nirvana? Please.
By your logic then, is the only reason ice cube and dre are successful is because they were in NWA?
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Without the Nirvana aura it is unlikely the music he created for his Foo Fighters project would have ever gotten picked up by a major label and you would have never heard of him.
That being said, he did make Nirvana much better after he joined with his drumming. I respect his drumming quite a bit. But not his songwriting, guitar playing, lyrical or vocal ability. There are a million dudes knocking around bars in North America who can sing/guitarsling as well as he can.
Doesn't suck. Just not great.
You stole my thunder, ppToilet.
I'm still waiting to hear how that Bright Eyes concert was!
It was a great concert, but it was on their "People's Key" tour...and I'm not a big fan of the album. Also, Conor Oberst isn't the alcoholic he was when he was younger, so the show was a little more subdued. That's a good thing for him, of course, but it's just different.
I would've thought that would have been a great show...
Lot of talk about Detroit rock on here and no mention of Sponge? I saw them play in front of about 50 people at a bar in Worcester a couple years ago and they rocked the place. Like Detroit, they've seen better times but they keep plugging away.
I had no idea sponge was from Detroit. I've enjoyed what I've heard from them, but I haven't listened to all of their stuff... mostly just the stuff that made it on the radio.
Wait, what exactly is wrong with Ms. Upton?
Jack's very, very good and i'm not even close to being a White Stripes fan, but "best guitarist of a generation" is too subjective to ever reach consensus on. I'd say that Tim Sult (Clutch) has better chops than White or Grohl, see: The Bakerton Group for more technical work than with Clutch.
On Detroit, i'm of the relatively small group of white people under 40 who can say that i was born in the Shitty and actually lived there as a child. We moved out (to the little shitty of Ypsi) when i was in elemntary school, but my grandfather was a scion of the Polish-American community in Detroit so i spent huge amounts of time in it even after moving away. High school in Livonia brought me closer again. Then i turned down my UM acceptance and went to Wayne, living in the city in the early-mid 90's...before the Ilitch turnaround on Woodward really took hold. So yeah, drive-bys happened in my college neighborhood and crack heads wandered into classes.
It may be a shit-hole, but it's my shit-hole and nobody not from it has any right to speak ill of Detroit. As far as i'm concerned, the rest of America still owes Detroit a huge debt for all the city gave 20th Century America.
I may be an outlier. During my six years living abroad, people would say that i was from Detroit or Michigan rather than being an American. I never argued.
I was in Geneva in for a few days the summer of '99 and I saw a handbill on a bulletin board promoting a techno show announcing the "best DJs from Detroit, USA." I don't really like techno at all but I thought about going to the show just to represent.
Now if that isn't a sign of the end of times I don't know what is...
And being really really really good at guitar is overrated. I prefer guitarist like kurdt cobain, dimebag darrell, and jack white who may not be crazy good but write very good songs.. I prefer them over john mayer and a million other 'talented' guys who write uninspired songs... but that is just me.
Dime WAS crazy good. How many metal guitar players could wank with the feel he had?
The ardent defense of and loyalty to Detroit in this thread is PURE MICHIGAN.
Love it. Jack White is my favorite musician that still currently produces music. I think he's one of the best. But I'm also incredibly biased having lived in Michigan my whole life.
The Courage of Detroit - by Mitch Albom. Without a doubt, the greatest article ever written about Michigan and the city of Detroit. Hit's the nail on the head.
A couple great quotes from the article.
"It's not that we watch more, or pay more, or cheer louder than other cities. But I will bet you my last dollar that, when it comes to sports, nobody cares as much as Detroit cares."
"People in Detroit can still tell you where they were when they heard about that limo smashing into a tree in suburban Birmingham six days after the Cup win of '97, forever changing the lives of Vladimir Konstantinov, Slava Fetisov and Sergei Mnatsakanov. Vigils were held outside the hospital.
Remember, these were two hockey players and a masseur, Russians to boot; none of them did much talking in English. Didn't matter. They were ours, and they were wounded. It felt as if there was no other news for weeks in Detroit. "You hear anything?" people would say. "Any updates?"
"Enough. We're not gum on the bottom of America's shoe. We're not grime to be wiped off with a towel. Detroit and Michigan are part of the backbone of this country, the manufacturing spine, the heart of the middle class -- heck, we invented the middle class, we invented the idea that a factory worker can put in 40 hours a week and actually buy a house and send a kid to college. What? You have a problem with that? You think only lawyers and hedge-fund kings deserve to live decently?"
"Maybe because when our kids finish college and take that first job in some sexy faraway city and a year later we see them back home and we ask what happened, they say, "I missed my friends and family." And we nod and say we understand."
He is an awful writer who is completely disingenuous.
I'm not sure why, but Jack White has never done it for me. I recognize that be is talented and he has a unique flair to him bit I've never enjoyed a single piece of music he has put out
Never did it for me either. As for guitarist, I could list 20 of them before JW even entered the conversation.
Jimi Hendrix. Eric Clapton. Peter Frampton. Dave Grohl. Jack White.
Best gutarist of this generation eh...not so much. IMO that title belongs to Derek Trucks. If you have never heard of him, and like the blues check him out.
The board is getting clogged up with useless topics. The actual on-topic posts these days get lost and fall way down the list because of stuff like this. This is an insult to Brian and the site by clogging up the board with this garbage.
Wow how do you really feel lol
You can leave if you prefer.
I'm sure Brian would prefer that in the off-season, we just stop visiting his site. Right?
Josh Homme would melt jack whites face off
Just my $0.02 but he is my favorite. He was up there in technical proficiency, had a certain flair in his work, and died way too young to fufill his potential.
Wish we could have heard more from him. What he left behind was amazing but it feels incomplete.