Watched Hoke's post game conference
If that wasn't a fraud #1 team with a truckload of lucky bounces going their way...I don't know what was. Pitt had them beaten and couldn't make a 30yd FG. They claim to have held out Stepfan Taylor from the endzone on 4th down to name two. We threw them the ball 4 times and they beat us by 7.
Take what you can get, its part of the game.
Imagine if the D doesn't shit itself against PSU - 8-3
Imagine if the D doesn't shit itself against Nebraska - 9-2
Imagine if the O and D don't hate each other against Iowa - 10-1, etc
This is complete bullshit because a chip shot FG and a 4th and 2 stop would've had us going in to this week with a 9-1 record. Do not pull the "almost lost" card unless you are willing to consider almost wins as well. And what if Devin doesn't fumble on that last drive? We were showing offensive life for the first time that half.
We could be easily be 10-1 right now, we could easily be 4-7. Makes sense that we are in the middle at 7-4 then I suppose.
preaching of accountability, yet he leaves Wile in there to punt with his 30 yd avg today. If you want to make a statement, stop buying tickets and don't renew your seaon tickets.
Dave Brandon, stop trying to be "part of the team" and watch game tape with coaches and go on radio shows saying, "we can still have an excellent season". Do your damn job and get us a coach who can win. I don't care if he's a Michigan man or not.
I think I'm on board with most of your sentiments. Hard to pull the season tickets though, but it didn't stop me from threatening.
@mediumrarebird: @DaveBrandonAD 50+ year family football season ticket holder here. Make a change on your O-cord or cancel my renewal. This isn't football.
Great. Now he knows you are bluffing
Go get harbaugh...any harbaugh.
Yes please, Harbaugh, any Harbaugh. Get rid of Hoke, now!
Michigan's fanbase (at least many in here) seems to be suffering from a "grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" type of pathology right now. They're convinced that someone, anyone, could do a better job than the current staff. They're impatient and unwilling to take an objective look at why the grass ain't so green on this side of the fence right now, and just want someone's head to roll.
I understand, I get it. But, what happens if you all are wrong? What happens if you get your wish and the whole staff, Hoke included, are fired and the NEXT staff struggles as well? Do we THEN become patient?
I am NOT saying that we should be anything but disappointed in what is going on. But we MUST, as a fanbase, give the coaching staff time to see if they can get things back on track because there is so much young talent on the roster. This season seems to me like a conflagration of many different issues, most of which have to do with the roster. The good news is that roster issues have a tendency to clear up as the roster matures and evolves. I know so many of you want to say, "it's no excuse" and that other teams have roster issues, but I don't think you're really doing your due diligence on investigating just how bad things got, and how weak the roster was when Hoke took over.
You ain't winning at this level of college football when you are relying on a majority of guys who are in their 2nd year or less on campus. That's reality.
If people on here think that they can effectively judge what Hoke is doing with this program and where it will end up, I am taking you to Del Mar with me on my next trip west. We're going to make a fortune at the track.
As far as staff, let's wait and see. If major donors push for it, there might be some changes in a couple spots. Hoke is going nowhere for 4 classes and 5 seasons. Reason: the program is right back in the mess Rodriguez left it in unless you reestablish sustainable talent pipelines for the long-term.
A lot of folks on here need to relax.
Well said! Go Blue! Beat Ohio!
A majority of our players are not first and second year players. Keep believing that and we will be having this conversation over and over and over.
Really? Take a look at the roster and count the juniors and seniors:
Note that this list includes walk-ons.
FR -- 36
RS FR -- 23
SO -- 12
RS SO -- 11
JR -- 7
RS JR -- 9
SR -- 5
RS SR -- 11
There are 114 total players on the roster, of which 71 are FR or RS FR/SO -- or 62.28%. So, in actual fact, the SIGNIFICANT majority ARE first of second year players. No reason that little things called FACTS should get in the way of your argument.
Fans are looking at this team and seeing regression. I believe that they would accept the youth/transition arguement and be patient if this team was stuggling, but getting better. It is not. Both last year and this, the team has gotten worse over the course of the season.
Do we need to wait for a senior 5-star QB? Devin Gardner. NFL talent on the O-line? Lewan and Schofield. Playmakers at WR? Gallon, Dileo, Funchess. A 1000-yard RB? Toussaint.
I'm sorry, but there is plenty of talent here and this staff is squandering it. How can we trust that future talent will fare any better once we've waited for year 5?
I would argue that the only regression has been on the offensive line and at the RB position with the blocking. Everything else has just been a result of that.
May be RR was building something special here until the plug was pulled in his 3rd year!
Generally, I agree a new coach should be given 5 years. You may not have your player in place to really judge your coaching or your staffs coaching ability. I think everyone should just relax and have a bit more patients. I don't want to press the reset button quick like we did against RR. I could imagine the Arizona team being like Michigan and whipping number 3 OSU this year in the big house. But now we are going to get whipped. However, in 2015 Hoke may be taking down a number 1 OSU?
Yards against MSU, N, I. Oh, btw- (one win) WMU got to 204 yds against MSU. When in any of our lifetimes has anyone seen anything like this from M?
Coach Hoke, you have steered us into uncharted waters, much like that BS 3 3 5 did on D during the unmentionable years. Please show some leadership, this Offense is in free fall. You are accountable for the culture and the competence of this program. The kids deserve better. And oh yes, so does the largest football audience in America next week.
Your presser may be PC, but your ass is on fire, do something different.
I would have hoped to hear a little contrition. And some recognition that while the defense played reasonably well the offense in the second half was miserable. Perhaps post-game pressers are not a good idea.
We're a middle of the road big ten team (a dying conference) the past decade. This isn't a coaching problem per se, it's an institutional problem.
I'm not sure what to think about this team and coaching staff anymore. If anything, Brady needs to light a fire under his own ass, show a little emotion during the game. Maybe its time to channel his inner Brian Kelly and turn purple on some people.
I dont get what you want him to say, it's been the same thing the past 13 weeks, every single week. I think he knows they aren't good and they have to fix it, just get ready for next year
Under .500 when hired and an OC who worked for Dinardo. Why anyone is surprised with this fiasco is beyond me. Lloyd coaching linneage Hoke, English, DeBord...do I need to go on! Loving the Michigan tradition does not ensure success.
I think we all need to take a deep breath.
Yes, Brady Hoke is underachieving, and doing so greatly. But against what? Lloyd Carr? Gary Moeller? Bo?
I agree totally. So what is next? I mean next as in right now.
We need a new athletic coordinator right now. Dave Brandon is TERRIBLE. He has given us Rich Rod and Hoke. He has failed to make changes as Hoke has floundered and probably pulled the trigger too early on getting rid of RR.
Hire Pat Narduzzi as head coach.
Minor point, but Brandon didn't hire Rich Rod, Martin did.
Go back to RCMB you Sparty troll.
Please leave. Or educate yourself.
This is what happens when you hire you're biggest fan as a head coach. He wants to win so bad but he simply doesn't know how. It's time for DB to swallow his pride and hire a difference maker.
I'm tired of this bull crap!! We stink and our coaching has been abysmal. Nothing but poor development and complete regression by players who came in highly recruited with much talent. As an alum, I am ashamed of what has become of our program. I will always love this program, but enough is enough. Mr. Brandon is starting to quickly lose my faith and future $'s. Major changes will need to be made. Maybe not Hoke, but Borges and Funk need to go. That is all. Thank you. GOBLUE!!
Not to be the bearer of bad new but here's what Matt Hinton just tweeted:
Most improved team from opening day to now is San Diego St. Aztecs opened w/ rock-bottom, three-touchdown loss to E. Illinois, started 0–3.
...Since, they've won six of seven, the only loss in OT vs. Fresno State. Currently leading Boise State in 2nd quarter.
What did your post have to do with the price of tea in China?
FR -- 36
RS FR -- 23
SO -- 12
RS SO -- 11
JR -- 7
RS JR -- 9
SR -- 5
RS SR -- 11
Class of 2009 (contributors/startershighlighted):
LB C. Gordon
S T. Gordon
Class of 2010 (contributors/startershighlighted):
Class of 2011 (contributors/startershighlighted):
RB Rawls (played some last season, got hurt on ST's today)
Class of 2012 (contributors/startershighlighted):
DB J. Clark
DL R. Glasgow
LB Ross III
DT Pipkins (was coming on, then was injured)
WR Darboh (was said to be doing well, then was injured)
Class of 2013 (contributors/startershighlighted):
LB Gedeon (played some today)
DT Hurst Jr.
Notice anything about the roster? 8 OLinemen and 2 TE's from '09, '10, and '11 classes, any wonder that this offense is struggling? 5 WR's (only Gallon and Dileo have done anything) in the '09, '10, and '11 classes, any wonder why this offense is struggling? 3 RB's in the 09, '10, and '11 classes, any wonder why this offense is struggling?
By contrast, there are 12 OLinemen, 4 TE's, 3 WR's, and 4 RB's from the '12 and '13 classes. As I said above, over HALF of Michigan's roster (62.28% to be exact) is populated by either 1st or 2nd year players, and of those 71 players, 26 of them play offense.
To me, this is ALL anyone needs to look at. Let's assume no attrition (unrealistic I know) and fast forward to 2016. There will be 11 4th & 5th year OLinemen on the roster, as opposed to the 5 (3 of whom have never played, or played very little) that are on the roster today.
Again, study this because it will tell us Michigan fans everything we need to know about why this offense is struggling.
Just as a contrast, Wisconsin has 23 4th & 5th year players on their roster, Michigan has 16, of which on 6 have been contributors/starters on offense. Think that makes a difference?
I'm worried about the losing and lack of team development will lead to a reduction in good recruits. But even if we have to go with more 3*s at least they will get time to develop with all our depth. Other teams win a lot of game with 3*s.
in offense in BIG. Other teams have the same issues, but at least show some improvement during the year. No one said they should be in the first place in offensive categories. But this is just embarrasing.
So where SHOULD they be? Since you seem to be an expert on where this team SHOULD be, please tell me. They are where they are, and I've detailed the most significant issue, i.e., the roster, and all you can come back with is "ALL EXCUSES" and "SHOULD BLAH BLAH BLAH."
It's FACT, like it or not, and it's what is causing the problem. Where SHOULD they be? I don't know, but anyone taking the time to actually look into what I've laid out above SHOULD have realized that Michigan's offense was likely going to struggle. Other teams DO NOT have the "same issue" and Michigan HAS shown improvement during the year, just not enough, and not where it counts the most.
You're welcome, and I agree with you 100% -- the offensive coaching has compounded the offensive ails this season, not necessarily mitigated them.
I refuse to agree that Borges is an idiot. I am 100% confident in the fact that Hoke is taking what I've termed a "dogmatic" approach to developing the youth on the roster. Hoke knows that if you don't run the scheme that is going to be your identity when you have all the personnel in place, you're NEVER going to have that scheme installed. The young OLinemen won't be so young next season, and the experience they've gained (failures & successes) will add to their development significantly.
Being "outcoached" has a significant player execution aspect to it, does it not? If the players were able to execute the power run, for example, and Michigan was able to establish a downhill running game, then we'd all be cheering those running play calls because they're working. When they cannot execute, people deride the coaching staff and say they've been outcoached -- if they execute, we outcoach them, if they don't, they outcoached us. It's a tough reality of football, but that's the way it works.
There's no doubt that this is a tough time in Michigan football's history. We're undertaking a rebuild that is a long time in the making. Rebuilding is tough, and sometimes (like now) the progress is slower than we fans would like, and improvements are hard to see. Again, the experience this season is going to pay off in the future, we just have to be patient.
quit jerking off to press conferences. you have no goddamn idea what brady hoke or any coach says to his team in the locker room, or the film room, or anywhere else.