The same bullshit. The guy has lost it. No anger, no emotion, nothing. He seemed not to care.
The same bullshit. The guy has lost it. No anger, no emotion, nothing. He seemed not to care.
Let me guess. They didn't execute?
They practiced hard
Nay, one of the best weeks of practice he's seen
Hoke sounds like a politician--states the obvious to the public, but no details or knowledge on how to fix the problem. Very much like Tommy Amaker, class guy and great character but coaching skills are quite suspect.
He heard a lot of it.
Is they practiced against each other!
...he has to watch the tape?
"We have to do a better job of coaching"
No, he never criticizes the coaches, remember?
Patently false. The "we need to do a better job of coaching" line has come out a lot in recent presses.
Its easy for Brandon to say "Hoke's the guy" now. But after an ass whooping by Ohio State next week, and another 8-9 type win season next year the fans -- and more importantly the donors -- are going to be PISSED.
Brandon of all people knows money speaks, and when the money is pissed, he's gonna have to listen.
Are you kidding? Donors are pissed NOW. The home schedule stinks next year. There are a bunch of people on here as well as people I talked to during the Nebraska game that aren't renewing season tickets. If Borges isn't fired I bet that number goes waaaaayyyyyyy up.
But money talks and god knows Brandon listens. If fans stop showing up I think Brandon is capable of taking drastic measures.
Brandon is jockeying to be governor of the state of Michigan. The long-term prospects of the football team don't even enter his psyche.
If I didn't live in Michigan, I would volunteer for his campaign.
but a former player like him is probably more wedded emotionally to the team, and its success, than the both of us put together. He knows what winning and losing feels like.
When the alumni, (etc) especially wealthy ones who give a lot more than us plebes, cut off contributions, then that's when it will become an economic decision. Such as it did with Coach Rod.
With Rod, who for whatever reasons, refused to field a defense.
All those guys/gals in Section 1 (etc) who have been going to every game since the late 60s never ever saw Michigan get run over (by the run) and threatened to cut all support. Brandon got that message loud and clear.
Rod was the coach he couldn't afford to keep.
While I imagine there's not exactly satisfaction anywhere, its not like we had this golden status quo which suddenly got tripped up. We fell into a dark pit of hell and are struggling to climb out. If progress is sensed, then it will be OK. If the desperation and frustration last too long it will not.
I bet what will happen is they wil hire a QB coach so Al can focus totally on coordinator duties. That will be Hoke's adjustment next year.
Complete bullshit, unless the QB coach calls all the plays. I hear Will Muschamp will be available...
That won't happen unless we fire someone. We add any more assistants. We're at the limit (nine).
I don't get the sense that any changes are coming. I think Hoke is going to live or die with Borges. I may be wrong, but I expected to see a lot more D. Smith and Green than Toussant today as well.
If all the blather about "the team, the team, the team" means anything then he will do what has to be done because the current plan is not working for "the team".
A free pass by Brandon? What do you expect Brandon to do right now?
By the fans? Have you seen all of the blame placed on Hoke on just THIS site?
Rich Rod? Did you forget the Rich Rod era at Michigan? We didn't win very many games.
We have a more than the solid team (not a great team) when we play to our potential, but the offensive coordinator has single handedly ruined this season by not putting players in a position to win.
Sure, people will say "Borges didn't drop that pass..Funchess did" or "Borges didn't fumble...Gardner did." And they're right, but fI can make 50 points for every counterpoint.
what is your definition of more than solid???
We've won more games than we've lost?
I wouldn't call losing 5 of his last 7 games and the final three in a row by a total of 112-51 exactly moving upwards especially considering the tire fire his first two seasons were.
And I am getting tired of people talking about how Hoke's win total have regressed each year and Rich Rod's improved. Well of course Rich Rod's improved. When you win 3 games the first year, and then 5, it's kind of easy to improve on the win total.
But I do think Hoke's teams not showing progress and improvement really is not a good sign of his coaching ability.
and way to get inside the true (meaning of the) numbers.
the total score from the last 3 games THIS year could also be 112-51 right?
The overall trajectory from a record standpoint was moving upward, but at far to slow of a pace. The last few games were the nail in RR coffin. You could make the case that RR deserved year 4, but the mood around the program was so bad it had impacted recruiting. After the blowout in the bowl game, I found it hard to defend RR in any way.
The problem for Hoke is that he has the same issue RR had where loyalty to a particular approach/coordinator was the downfall. RR's achilles was the defense and Hoke's is the offense. If anything can be learned from the RR situation, it is that you can't allow one side of the ball to flounder. He must know that the window to resolve this issue is in the offseason, but we will see.
The other achilles heel right now for Hoke is "red letter games".
I will start with the best record:
2-1 vs. ND (RR had some success against ND too).
Now for the rest:
1-2 vs. Michigan State
1-2 vs. Nebraska
1-2 vs. Iowa
1-1 vs. OSU (this next game could become Hoke's Miss St. game if he is not careful).
My guess is that Brandon will give Hoke another year and probably two (regardless of the OSU game), but he would be wise to avoid effusive praise of this staff and this season. His comments this past week about this being a fantastic season are contradictory to what we can all see on the field. It makes him look out of touch with the reality on the field. A little to loyal to his choice of "Michigan Man".
it is that you can't allow one side of the ball to flounder
I'm no coach but it just seems so fucking obvious that you would want both a good offense and a good defense. Am I missing something? Is Hoke?
Year 3 under Rodriguez is identical to Year 3 under Hoke. We have not improved. Also, we could easily be 4-7 right now. Some of those wins are functional losses. But tell me more about how great things are...
People keep pointing out the close wins, but there were some close losses in there, too. So you consider games like Akron, UConn, or maybe the 3OT NW game as "functional losses," but I'm guessing you're not willing to consider the Nebraska, Iowa, or 4OT PSU game as "functional wins."
This team has won exactly 7 games and lost exactly 4. It's a little silly to just decide that those numbers are different than they are.
Spoken like a stats guy.
I don't understand this reading more into wins/losses...it's a pretty exact science; you get 12 kicks at the can each year and you either win them or lose them.
The RR blame game will have to end.
This continuous blame game happens a lot these days! Buck up and have the buck stop where you are standing coach Hoke.
Welll..... We have to coach better?
Oh wait, that the Lions...
ah....The Prince Fielder...that should end well
It's a press conference by an obviously disappointed coach right after the game. What are you realistically expecting him to say?
Not for the fans, but for the players. They must believe in him. They must trust that he knows how to fix this.
Show some anger? Not for the fans? For the players?
The press conference is not for the players. He speaks to the players in the locker room. I'm sure he addresses them appropriately. Stop being delusional and acting as if you want him to to do and say things in the press conferences not for you the fans and for the players.
I really hate to say this, but it sure seems like the coaches who are poor communicators in the press conferences and keep repeating the same old line don't seem to last long. It really reminds me of Marinelli. He was considered an exceptional coach for a specific position group, but that doesn't mean that you are going to be a good/great HC. As the head coach you can't keep repeating the same responses and expect to have people fall in line. It just doesn't instill confidence. Marinelli liked to talk about "pad level" and "pound the rock" all the time, but you just knew he had nothing more insightful to add.
Compare that to someone like Urban Meyer or even Nick Saban. When you hear them speak, you get the sense they are in total control and any issues WILL be corrected. Does anyone feel that way when Hoke walks up to the podium?
He may very well be upset at something or perhaps even someone, but given the way the staff seems to interact with the media, the last place you'll get insight into their true feelings is one of these pressers. It has been discussed before here on the board, but overt discontent with specific things like coaching or playcalling are just not a thing in a Hoke press conference and that probably saves them a lot of potential grief even if fans find it frustrating that they are not seeing or hearing what they would like. Of course, the presser is for the press, not the fans.
But might hope for more.
I fully believe that he genuinely cares, that he's disappointed. To express that feeling would help people have faith that problems will be fixed and give him some benefit of the doubt.
And maybe he thinks it doesn't matter because behind closed doors he feels he's addressing things properly. But then he (and the AD) better be equally prepared to hear a lot of hot seat publicity next year (which will hurt in recruiting) and realize that they're burning away any public good will and benefit of the doubt they might hope for.
His feelings about the matter don't really matter to me. I care about whether or not Hoke has the capacity to fix the issues with the team. In this case it is really about the offense. None of his comments have ever lead me to believe he has a grasp of the issues or how to correct them.
His feelings ought to be of concern. If he genuinely cares about what is happening, he'll work harder to fix them.
Other than the usual BS
Hoke also won't fire Borges unlessed forced to. What can we do as fans to get the fire Borges movement going? Seriously, with enough fan uproar to Brandon maybe we can get Borges out. I'm going to start tweeting Desmond. Hopefully he speaks out again.
Should we all tweet DB? We gotta do something. We have the largest alumni base in the country.