Fitting end to the rich rod era. Worst hiring. Worst record. Worst bowl loss. Worst defense. Worst firing.
Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
Fitting end to the rich rod era. Worst hiring. Worst record. Worst bowl loss. Worst defense. Worst firing.
No this is the worst firing ever
that's the BEST firing ever.
At least to watch.
I think DB handles himself and represents his university better than 99% of AD's out there. Straight up gansgta'...
Here's hoping our crazy and ignorant fan base doesn't hate him for no reason like they do our coaches.
I hope he's "straight up gangsta" enough to "make it rain" some "cheddar" all up in JH's "hizzle".
I hope he's straight-up gangsta enough to find us an effing head coach in the next week and fill out the recruiting class.
I don't hate RR, but I'm pretty close to jumping on the Dave Brandon hatewagon.
Of course, we probably wouldn't be here if RR had managed to beat that pesky team from East Lansing once or twice.
Yeesh. This is a real mess.
"Posted from fetal position" maybe be the best intro I've ever read. That made me lmaof.
Thanks for that.
At this point I wouldn't be to shocked if in a week DB announces that the head coach is Rich Rodriguez. That's how ridiculous the program looks at this point.
I think all of our heads will asplode if that happens.
...that this is all a grand conspiracy.
Pissed off that fans were unhappy he was averaging 8-9 wins a year, starting the season in the top 10 but finishing it in the 20s, constantly losing to The University of Ohio State University of the State of Ohio and getting blown out every time he went up against USC in the Rose Bowl, Lloyd Carr worked it out with Bill Martin that he, Lloyd, would retire, Martin would hire a coach from some hick town, also retire, they would work from behind the scenes with Braylon Edwards to undermine the new coach by making a kerfuffle about the #1 jersey, slow down the staff’s watches and clocks around Schembechler hall so that they would unknowingly let stretching go a few minutes too long every day, get Greg Robinson fired at ‘Cuse and, while he was down in the dumps, tell him the secret to great defence was rubbing random stuffed animals on players’ faces, convince Mary Sue Coleman to hire a replacement AD with ties to Bo who would perpetuate the Michigan Man Mafia, rely on the fact that the team’s 3 worst defensive seasons would be insurmountable, have the MMM AD fire the hick coach and then hire as the replacement coach...Lloyd Carr.
Maybe you won the Internet today?
Good attempt at "uniting" the fanbase. (sarcasm)
i completely agree
Lots of good football coaches out there who can manage better than 6-18 in the Big 10 over the next 3 years. Guessing we have a coach in place by Jan 17th.
Oh, sure, January 17th.....that's definitely not too goddamn long. I mean, that leaves a whole two and a half weeks to Signing Day, plenty of time to get two, maybe three recruits to replace the five that leave and the five more that transfer.
If it takes that fucking long I'm gonna leave a flaming bag of shit on DB's doorstep. If it takes that fucking long and we hire Brady Hoke, I'm torching Schembechler Hall.
Rich Rod is gone please support the process, what other living person would you rather have in Dave Brandon's position? He's played for UM, he's been a successful businessman, this is a tough decision and I'm glad he's not listening to irrational and angry fans like you.
Which of those two characteristics necessarily means he'll make a good decision?
Being successful in business does not mean you'll be successful as an AD. Being a former athlete doesn't do it either.
I hope he makes a good hire, but how he's handled it so far does not leave me hopeful. Telling people to simply support the process is just sticking your head in the sand.
In the end, I think a "good hire" this go around is someone that will run an offense that suits our personnel, and someone who can instill a good defensive staff. Those things happen and I think we can avoid steps backward.
All I'm saying is he has the right background to make this decision. I shouldn't be the first person to tell you that nothing is a guarantee in life. But if you're a scientific minded person like me (2008 Chemistry Alum)....you would agree that Brandon has the right credentials.
I am a scientific minded person. I also understand that athletic departments, especially very public athletic departments, are far different to run than corporations. And being a former player really means nothing, as Matt Millen has proven.
Brandon has never made a single high profile hire as Athletic Director. I don't know that he's ever actually been involved with a hiring process. Somebody who had risen up through big athletic departments would have better credentials to lead us through the process, not that the end result would necessarily be better.
Ok so Brandon has yet to make you believe in him, I'm not blindly supporting him like I believe many bloggers on here blindly supported richrod, but I'm willing to give him a chance just like I gave richrod a chance (three years). I think DB should have a chance to make this hire before we start evaluating him. If we lose a couple recruits because of it, it's not ideal, but is shows me he's making this decision carefully. Quicker the better but he knows his first priority is finding the right guy because that is the long-term solution.
I don't know that he's ever actually been involved with a hiring process.
Dave Brandon was a CEO for like 15 years before becoming AD. You honestly don't think he has ever hired someone?!?
By the sentiment of statements, I think it's clear what I mean, but I'll spell it out for you: I don't know that he's ever actually been involved with a hiring process in an athletics administrator capacity, specifically a coach of a high profile sport.
Being a skilled CEO does not automatically make you a good athletic director. As CEO of Dominos, the percent of the population that cared who he hired as CFO was miniscule. Not getting the guy he wanted would probably only be known by a handful of people. Obviously hiring the head football coach at the University of Michigan is a bit different.
and 10% Madman and that's one reason why his saying almost nothing of value at the presser doesn't bother me.
DPZ has more shareholders than there are seats in Michigan Stadium. If you don't think they had a vested interest in who he hired as CFO, I'm not sure if we'll ever see eye to eye on this.
Especially, continuing the corporate analogy, the way a lot of people invest these days as evidenced by things like the "Cramer Effect". Most Michigan fans, good or bad, know way more about Michigan Football than lot of people know about the companies they buy shares in and fans definitely care more about coach hirings than investors care about execs.
This. Shareholders care, but outside the institutional investors, not many of them are following the day to day operations of the corporation. And even fewer could tell you if a CFO hire was a good one or a bad one. The corporate world is far murkier to the average citizen than college football.
Let me put it to you this way, how many CFO's of fortune 500 companies can you name? How many college football coaches can you name?
I think listening to irrational, angry people - or at least agreeing with them - is what got RR fired in the first place.
It pains me to say this as an M fan, but I think the fanbase here has to be a major drawback for any coach (except maybe Harbaugh) considering taking the job. The seemingly dominant faction is spoiled, stuck in the past, hostile to outsiders, and has no patience or perspective.
Here's what I suspect will happen: The toxic environment here will scare all the A-listers off, we'll hire Hoke, he'll do a decent job with what he has left after a bunch of RR's recruits bail and go 7-6, 8-5, 7-5, this won't be enough to satisfy the fans, he'll be fired before the bowl game in 2013, and we'll be right back in this same spot.
I think it was based partly on the knowledge that certain fans, keeping in mind that it's the fans who pay the bills, had decided that nothing RR could do would satisfy them and wanted him gone without thinking about the future, only about the past. This is an angry and irrational viewpoint.
Anecdotal evidence being what it is, I will still say that my own uncle has been anti-RR from the start. I had this argument with him over Christmas (and short discussions in prior months) and it's like talking to a Michael Rosenberg article. Or a Sparty (which he definitely is not.) RR's a sleaze, buyout, practice-gate, offense doesn't work in the Big Ten, chased off Ryan Mallett....I mean, every canned soundbite there ever was about RR, I heard it. Maybe that colors my viewpoint about how many fans exist in that segment of the fanbase. I love my uncle to death, absolutely, but that talk was like listening to a Buckeye.
It doesn't translate to running an athletic department. To me, a "process" implies a "plan" ... so far the process/plan seems to be "figure that part out later". If the process is to start looking for a coach today, I hope the Freep runs an expose about DB's flatulence. I'm reduced to poop and fart jokes.
On a more productive note ... Jeff Tedford, bud foster, Bo's corpse.
I'll bring the pitchforks.....let's meet at Pizza Bob's.
If we don't have a coach by January 7th, then we failed. Forget about 2 weeks from now...
Prophets of Doom
But, well, you know...
But good call!
Dave Brandon will undoubtably make a better choice than Bill Martin....If for no other reason than having learned from the RichRod years.
I feel terrible for the players, for the recuiting class, for RichRod, his coaches, and their families.
Let's set the bar on hiring coaches above what martin or Goss did for football or basketball!
What exactly is there to learn from the RR years? That's a serious question, not a fuck-you question. What is the lesson? Don't hire a bright, youngish coach with a revolutionary mind on one particular side of the ball who can shake up a program clearly on a downslide and get it back to prominence, having achieved fantastic success in having done so once already?
I sure hope the lesson isn't "hire from within" either. I mean, what mistake, exactly, was made in hiring Rich Rodriguez that could have been clearly foreseen before the hire?
The system won't seem to let me pos-bang you. So let me put it into words. Like, uh yeah.
Rich Rod wasn't a "Michigan Man"? So we get a Michigan Man like Chris Peterson or Gary Patterson?!?
There's no chance of a bad or mistaken "hire from within" now. There is no "within." The only people available to talk to the student-athletes on our football team right now are functionaries from Weidenbach Hall.
I think what people learned is the AD should not hire someone that the over 60s with lots of money do not like. Those this would affect would be any coaches that run an offense other than the pro-set and any coaches that do not have ties to Michigan. That leaves . . . Brady Hoke.
. . . and he is us.
And don't forget that the hire should meet with Drew Sharp's approval as well...
I'm 25.....but are you blaming the over 60s for richrods struggles?
Yeah, unfortunately that seems to be the case. RR greatest shift in support was in that demographic. Although I suspect if the defense had been fundamentally sound (assuming that would have resulted in more competitive losses, if not more wins), even traditionalists might have been OK with RR for another year.
And I mentioned this in a comment on another thread, but given the size of Michigan's alumni compared to the size of Michigan's student body, Michigan will never be able to get away from needing to accomodate traditionalists' perspectives.
Large B1G players, smash-mouth football, winning B1G titles, playing in the Rose Bowl, recruiting the Midwest, etc. I can't wait until he institutes the new "Down in front" policy at Michigan stadium. I thought he was a visionary and we would win national titles. I suspect he has more in common with your septuagenarian donors and a return to winning the 4th best conference but losing the world.
I want us to win the B1G, but I want us to transcend the B1G and win it all. I want to be the best in the B1G because we are the best everywhere.
But don't tear it down and start from scratch. Make sure you have a FULL proper staff in place. Don't just be wow's by one side of the ball, but make sure both sides are covered. Don't come in and be my way or the highway with the current players. Integrate. Don't be arrogant enough to completely discount the past. Don't leave you coach to fail and learn on the job, but give him some guidance, help educate him, and help and support him. And if you have all that, then you can put up a stronger front to everyone who complains, because then you've crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's.