It's amazing that Izzo complains like a whiny bitch, while his player understands that it is part of the game.
"Waahhh Waahhh" - Comparoni
Usually it's the other way around...
I don't understand coaches that whine like that. I mean, why let the trash talking get to you? He's a kid, he's excited about winning, move on. Take the high road and let it be...being dismissive is the only way to respond to it. As Lucas did.
Ooooor, you can be Izzo. It comes off as arrogant self-righteous whining, and some of pot-calling-the-kettle-black. In other words, sore loser. I mean, how do you call it "running up the score" when YOUR OWN TEAM has done it to Michigan in the past?!? Hypocritical much?
Not to mention that MSU had full-court pressure on that possession. Izzo was not conceding the game. What was Morris supposed to do, stand still and get fouled? (After what happened at the end of the PSU game, I don't think he'd want to do that again.) If they'd backed off, he most likely would have dribbled out the clock.
Right on. You keep playin', we'll keep playin'. That's all there is to it.
IIRC didn't like 3 state players try and grab darius as he drove down the court??? its their own damn fault that he scored, when they couldn't even foul him... if you don't like then stop it from happening...
Alright Tom, let's really get it going then.
Get what going? What rivalry is he speaking about? The team in green would have to win once a year for there to be a rivalry. I don't know what Izzo is talking about...
Hey Compy, tell me how my..... Shaq, if you wouldn't mind:
I feel bad for the color green. They're setting it back 15 years from all this whining.
it sounds more like 'the media' is trying to stir up something that wasnt a big deal. maybe darius did talk smack, but we swept them for the first time in 10+ years. emphatically. i'll listen to them when they can assure me no one from MSU's football team has talked smack in the last 3 years
Wasn't it Vlad Emilien that was quoted as saying that Sparty was the biggest bunch of shit talkers?
Apparently their atrocious behavior pissed him off so much he got out of town.
"It bothered Lloyd Carr and, ummmmm.... Well, our coaches."
Jesus, if my preseason top-5 team was fighting for its postseason life at 16-13 (sorry, Chaminade fans, but the committee don't count you), I'd spend a lot less time worrying about how Darius Morris "ran up the score" all the way to seven points and then had the temerity to flap his gums a little.
Sparty will get theirs and learn some humility.
that will never happen.
It's been half a day now and I still can't wrap my head around Izzo's comments.
Ok, so worst case scenario Darius talked smack and Lucas was a perfect angel and said nothing all day (*cough*)...
Does that give Lucas the right to throw a ball at Darius' face? Whatever happened to "sticks and stones..."? For the coach to come out and say it was justified in ANY way is just shocking to me.
For people to focus on Darius possibly trash talking and ignore the ball throwing and Izzos comments is inconceivable to me. Those are the bigger issues worth discussing.
I think perhaps we got it twisted. From Comparoni's article I am reading (and hearing now) "Maybe (we) deserve it."
I interpret this as him saying, "maybe we dug a little karmic hole for ourselves for Morris to be talking shit all game, then taking it to the hole with 3 seconds left."
I read it.
Izzo pretty clearly said "he", not "we". I thought it was pretty unambiguous.
Yeah, Izzo said he not we. But whatev, I've got nothing against Izzo. I think he's a great coach.
But why is he chewing gum at a press conference?
Comparoni is indicating he's filling in or modifying the quote by surrounding with "we" with parentheses.
Listening to the audio, I'm pretty confident Izzo said "he". I don't know if Comparoni is being dishonest or is genuinely unsure of the intent, but based on the tone and content of the passage, "we" just doesn't fit.
Maybe Izzo doesn't remember Mateen Cleaves still in the game with 30 some odd seconds left in the game and his team up 50+ points, still throwing alley oops to his teammates to throw one down, because I still remember that.
Darius made the right play there. They were still pressing and attacking the ball the whole length of the court. In your film study did you notice Darius not taking the layup in a previous game when it was there, and then in turn missed both of his free throws Tom?
How that whiny Izzo gets the label of the epitome of class is beyond me.
was all that mattered, and now that he's not the truth is coming out and fast....
IS all that matters! Tiger Blood!
Look, no matter how you define it, this was not a blow-out. However, what is it that coaches always say: "If you don't want to get blown out, don't let 'em score". If he'd had his players drop back into the back-court, essentially conceding the game and Morris went in for a lay-up, I'd understand their whining a little bit. They've still got to stop him from scoring, though.
Although he's still a good coach, I agree with your comment as well. Didn't anyone ever tell that dude to close his mouth when he's chewing gum?!?!? JESUS! It was mentioned here earlier in an earlier post, in a slightly different way, but it's worth repeating. The character of a man isn't measured when he's up, but when he's down. Good coach, but Izzo fails here.
Sparties are in for a couple of tough years. We'll see whining taken to a new level, I think.
I think Izzo is just trying to fire up the players for the BTT. Also it takes the focus off of other things. If they lose their next game, they are NIT bound.
Lucas and Morris were both talking trash in both games and Lucas admitted that. Could Morris have behaved better? Yes. Could Lucas have behaved bettet? Yes. Does it deserve this much attention? I don't think so.
they'll have to beat wisconsin/purdue. beating iowa will be a push because they're precariously close to being a 'Bad Loss' but for the Purdue win, and even then...
The players get it. Anyone who's ever played pick-up knows you keep playing on *your* court when you win a game. Pretty common stuff here.
Izzo is just trying to deflect and possibly motivate his fan base more than his players.
Ahh schadenfreude.... sweet sweet schadenfreude!
Where was all this sentiment about running up the score when Mateen Cleaves and co. ran it up to the tune of about 60 points?
The guy who mentioned the 2000 blatant running up of the score and the other fellow who quoted the "winners get to do what they want" have summed this up perfectly. Michigan State has nothing to stand on here.
Michigan State fans I talk to who are rationale say that this is the most likeable Michigan basketball team they can recall and they admire the way they play too. Only the whiners who can dish it out, but can't take it, thought Morris did anything wrong yesterday. I hate to say it, but Izzo looks like a member of that sad group.
Next case Baliff.
Michigan State fans I talk to who are ationale (sic)
Yeah, sure Nate, rational Sparties...
Trash talking on a basketball court. I've never heard of such a thing. Nope. Never.... *shakes head*
Whining about a layup in the last seconds of a 7 point game, when you've beaten this team by 50+ in the past? Someone please tell me just what world I'm living in, because at this point in the game, I'm not really sure. Excuse me all to hell for expecting my team to play the full 40 minutes of basketball, too.
This is so not new. I have zero sympathy for the school who absolutely loved Scott Skiles telling Antoine Joubert "Hey FATBOY....let's see what you got" way back in the day.
What goes around........
Yup. I generally dislike trashtalking myself, but even I thought Skiles' jabs at "The Judge" were hilarious. For Izzo or MSU fans to whine about what went on during the game yesterday is ludicrous.
I wrote this in another thread, but it bears repeating here. I thought Skiles was really funny and Joubert was weak for letting it get to him. I now think Morris was really funny and Lucas is weak.
As for some of the general reasoning here, I have to admit that I enjoyed Sparty Schadenfreude and went over to RCMB to see just how bad they feel. Some are turning on Izzo. Many think Michigan got "lucky" twice in one season. Most are clinging to their percieved "superiority," even though it looks even worse for them next year.
But some admit they are worried. It ranges from "next year could be worse before we turn it back around" to "did we give them an opening this year?" Even with their ten year run and Michigan vacating wins from the Ed Martin era, they are still almost twenty games behind Michigan in the overall series. They "forget" about that, but I think most of them still know it somewhere in the back of their minds.
I think there could be an "instant flip" here. While JB is building a nice team with solid, intelligent players who play as a team, Izzo is losing control of his team. It should be obvious to anyone who was watching this year that Izzo has temporarily "lost" the locker room. To avoid another "tl';dr," I will cover this in depth over at my blog tonight.
Basically, though, the situation is more volitile than many thought five months ago.
Sometimes I laugh at your conspiracy theories, but this time I really hope you're right.
Skiles was funny and the Judge WAS fat (coke is a bitch). But i have to admidt i LOVED Darius telling Lucas to "Get the Fuck off MY court".
Been a long, LONG time since MSU saw this much swagger in AA. They dont know what to do with it.
This is a non-story perpetuated by an angry and hurt MSU faithful who worry that UM may be catching them in basketball a bit while their football team will undobutedly tumble back to earth in the coming years. I saw more trash-talking during the Syracuse-Depaul game yesterday than what Morris and Lucas said, and for Izzo to act shocked about it when guys like Draymond Green and Lucas talk at the drop of a hat is disingenuous. I know that Beilein would never single out an opposing player the way Izzo did, and maybe this is just a sign that Izzo is regretting coming back to MSU after flirting with the Cavs. Because unless this team makes another long run in the NCAA tournment (assuming they get in), he may have missed his opportunity to finally coach in the pros.
This coming from the guy who left his starters in and was calling for J-Rich alley oops with 1 minute to go up 60 points. Look Izzo, you wanted a rivalry, you got one. And anyone else notice how every time the camera panned to Izzo (which was like every 5 seconds) that he was crying to the refs?
Also interesting how he gets on Morris for TALKING, but says nothin about Lucas throwing an elbow at Hardaway. Manny got tossed for worse last year.
I noticed that the camera zoomed in on Izzo whenever play stopped. And he was almost always jawboning the ref, acting out frustration, disbelief, incredulity, anger, self-righteousness, disgust, etc. ad nauseum. And nauseous is how I felt by the end of the game when the camera would once again focus on Mr. Whiny once again whining at the refs. I saw more of Izzo than almost any single player. He is a full-bore, no-holds barred drama queen & his act has gotten stale.
Please, CBS (it was CBS?), give me a break. Give all of us a break: don't keep the camera trained on Tom Izzo, the whiny boy. Or to paraphrase Darius Morris riposte to Mr. Lucas, "Get the fuck off my flat-screen TV!"
having never seen the previously mention 2000 game, I had always thought Izzo was a class act who was much too good for Sparty, however after his numerous temper-tantrums with the refs yesterday, as well as his post game comments I now realize that he and MSU are perfect for each other. They can all get the fuck off the court!
This is what happens when you punch the bully in the face.
2008 game @ MSU.
The spartans are up 17 with 15 seconds left in the game -- they run a fast break and finish with an alley-oop dunk. Suck my nuts Izzo.
It was just a few games ago sparty let a team score then nearly cost a player injury in the fake fake triple double. Sorry to point that out and about the walmart wolverines we own stock in the co at times may purchase something there, and always say hello to sparties who are WORKING there. world ranking universities Michigan #15 Michigan state college #208 Whoa nellie are ya still back there boys.
No way you went to UM.
So the run up the score compliment is beyond ridiculous. But being that was awhile ago, how did no one in the media ask him after he complained about talking all game that the "talk" this week was started by his guaranteed victory? I haven't seen one quote or question regarding that. I don't get why they're all so afraid of him. A talking to in his office? Man up.
I'm completely in favor of winning and losing with class. With that being said, those who think the aforementioned varying degrees of "trash-talking" is anything out of the ordinary are pretty naive. Anyone who has ever spent a day on an athletic team or an hour in a locker room, or an afternoon spent playing intramural sports, knows that "trash-talking" is a part of competition. To think that Lucas and the rest of the Spartans were innocent in this regard is equally ignorant.
Take a look at that press conference of Izzo--not the most likeable individual in defeat. It's easy to come off classy when your program is on top, but true colors show in defeat. Also, gotta love Mark Hollis' original tweet as well. Classy.
Go Blue! The ride isn't over yet...
Let's get this rivalry going? Where has it been going? Izzo's a great coach, but he guarunteed a victory yesterday and we saw how that motivated them....
The best part of his postgame is when he throws Summers under the bus. Surprised he didn't just say that guy sucks and it's his fault. Stay classy East Lansing.
He knows his stuff as well as anybody out there, and it seemed like he tried to run a cleaner program than Spartan Football, at least. He spoke well and seemed honest and forthright.
Spartanism infects all that dare call East Lansing home.
Izzo has always been like this. Some of our fans just didn't notice because we weren't beating him very often. Anytime he loses to Wisconsin, he generally makes a bunch of petty gripes afterward.
The million-dollar question: does working at MSU change a man, or are they just a magnet for these kinds of people?