I wound up sitting next to a Notre Lame alum on a plane ride. We were having a decent conversation about football in general. Then he brought up the allegations. I said its not that big of a deal, then he goes on to say that Michigan had exceeded practice limits by as much as 20 hours a week. Where do these people get their information?
I guess this proves it. Idiots all across the country read the Detroit Free Press. It's the only one that appeals to their distinct inability to read.
The Free Press.
People as a general group will cling onto the initial allegations, even when proven false or wildly exaggerated. So many examples, but for some reason I'm drawing a blank on one (that's not political.)
something along these lines?
morgan trent comes to mind for me personally. i refuse to admit he's any good, despite the fact that he's in the pros and doing well.
switched back to the guy we all know for being lit on fire for 3 years.
in the NFL before we start saying he's doing well. I'm not a Bengals fan, so I'm not really sure, but I believe his only regular playing time (apart from special teams) was as a nickel back. No doubt he would have been quite good in a limited role like that at Michigan as well. Let's wait until he starts playing on first and second downs in the NFL, if he ever does.
Dorsey as a hardened criminal, ski masks at MSU, Rodriguez as a document shredder, etc.
All have been proven false, but you'll still read about them everywhere.
unring a fucking bell
This is exactly what I've been talking about. All of my friends give me so much crap about the Michigan violations and then when I explain what actually happened and what the results were they all say "oh, it sounded much worse than that." Curse you Freep, CURSE YOUUUUUUUUU
From his brother who heard it from his father-in-law who read it on an MSU message board by a poster who talks to his buddies on the softball team who listen to Jeff Defran who read Michael Rosenberg who's angry about losing special access to the head coach he had with the previous coach.
Your six steps from Michael Rosenberg?
No, thank god, but if he was my neighbor, I'd let my dog piss on his petunias.
I wish you were his neighbor.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
That is one of my favorite quotes. So much more insight than you'd expect out of a Will Smith movie about aliens.
Just say Lou Holtz left Minnesota, ND, and South Carolina on probation. Nothing pisses off an ND fan faster than going after Lou.
Or buy them this book:
Reminds me of a simple childhood lesson. The teacher would line up the students and whisper something like, "I like stretching in the morning" in the ear of the first student, and then that student would then tell his version to the student next to him, and so on down the line. When it finally reached the teacher again it resembled something like, "I like to eat CARA forms for breakfast."
It's like Brian and everyone else has been saying, read the damn report before you start running your mouth about things you know absolutely nothing about.
...sorta like "Under the Tarnished Dome." Then ask why ND still isn't good as they used to be before the book came out.
Edit: Reading further down the thread, I see I was sorta beaten to the punch by willywill, but for those who never read this book, it trashed Holtz and ND. The worst accusation, and the one that affected recruiting the most, was that Holtz would ignore injured players, refusing to even acknowlege their presence in a room until they were well enough to play.
...not everyone reads the freep anymore. It would be nice to see an apology, as if that's ever going to happen. It will be better to see it go under.
In all honesty, I wouldn't listen to what an ND alum has to say. As long as that school and that team are laboring under the delusion they are the winningest program in college FB, that they will win a NC next year, without any evidence at all to back it up, it's like debating with a brick wall. Yeah, you can debate with that wall, but it's not going anywhere, no matter how hard you bang your head against it. Water off the back, 38-0 in 2003 and 2007, and The Catch. That's how I remember them.
... their mascot is busy getting ready for practice:
I heard it from a guy who heard it from another guy who has this cousin.
Has to be suscribed to the Free Press. Who else other than them even said that?
I find that their fanbase consists of two crowds: (1) legit ND fans who actually follow the team, get into the rivalries and actually have some rooting interest, and (2) the remainder, who follow ND because, hey, they are ND, because they liked Rudy or because they are Irish. I actually find the first category to be pretty well informed and reasonable (relatively) in their views and opinions on college football. The second category are on the level of the truckdrivers that tailgate outside the 'Shoe.
that Rudy was offsides.