Vincent Smith has a torn ACL per Rivals. RR said that Smith tore it during the tOSU game.
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Thanks for the link! I am on my wife's macbook and couldn't bring up the link!
why god? why do you hate us and our favorite running backs?
i would hope that he can rehab it in time to work out and practice in the spring. the best to him and his recovery.
Brady is also 31 years old, I think, not 19. I don't think Smith will be back for spring practice, but I think he'll be better than 75% by next season.
You're being as pessimistic as geaux-blue was being optimistic. Brady tore both the ACL and MCL had tons of complications (infections and such), and was still back in time for start of fall camp. His rust can be as much missing a full year as QB as it was physically recovering.
ACL repair has come a long way, and I believe generally it calls for a 6 month recovery period. He'll miss spring practice, but I'd say there's a better than 50% shot he's at full speed come the start of fall camp. The odds will be greater depending on when they can get to the surgery.
Why is this directed at me?
I said I don't think he'll be back by spring practice, but that I think he'll be better than 75% by September. Even if he doesn't have surgery until January, 9 months is...drum roll, please...September.
There's a difference between 19 and 31. Ask any 31-year-old.
I don't know... Do dislocated fingers and separated shoulders and torn hamstrings and sprained ankles count as sports injuries? Yeah? Then I guess your point doesn't hold much water.
Nothing I love more than a hot coffee on a snowy winter night, and well-informed bickering on the MGoBlog.
doesn't actually say it was a 'torn' ACL, only that he suffered and ACL injury (though it may be explained behind a paywall).
Might it be a strain or something less??
that a torn acl for a running back is slightly different than a torn acl for a QB
I wonder if the 7-9 month time frame given is for the ordinary person watching from the stands and not for the D1 athlete with superior genes and better conditioning. It may not sound like it should make a difference but it does. Athletes regularly are running and cutting on ACL's that were torn 5-6 months before.
I tore my ACL after my sophmore year in college, there are different ways to repair it that can alter how long the recovery process takes. If you choose a cadaver, which I did, recovery is slightly shorter as there are not as many cuts required. This gives you less flexability in the new ligament though as they normally use an achillies tendon for the cadaver. The other way is to make a new ligament from some of your own muscle tissue, many times the calf. This takes longer because you must wait for the muscle to heal too. The doctor told me when it happend it normally takes a full calendar year to FULLY recover and an additional 1/2-1 year to get your mind back thinking "I can make this cut and be ok." He said "unfotunately, with a cadaver, you will never run as fast or jump as high again." I am sure with a medical staff like Michigan's he could be healthy enough to play sometime next season but I am not sure if his mind will recover as fast.
Bummer. Good info thank you, but not what I wanted to hear.
For elite athletes, they like to autograft (take tissue from the athlete) the ligaments, usually part of one of the hamstrings. There is less chance of future tear, and despite "more cuts", can have a faster HEALING time; unfortunately, that doesn't necessarily translate to faster recovery time. However, to be 100% after an ACL, for an elite athlete, it is regularly cited that it takes over a year to be back in complete form, mentally and physically. This does not discount the fact that he could "feel ready" at fall ball, or even spring ball, but I doubt that the surgeons at U of M will feel comfortable with him cutting and juking full force in five months.
"but I doubt that the surgeons at U of M will feel comfortable with him cutting and juking full force in five months."
Thats a good distinction and one that I didnt make. I have no way of knowing how much effort the two players I knew were putting forth. But I would guess it was not 100.
I am just going off of what I saw at my college while playing football. Granted it was a D3 school but we had two guys tear their ACL's in the same pick up basketball game around Christmas time. They were both running and cutting in Early to Mid June.
From what I know they did not use the calf muscle but part of the hamstring tendon. I am in no way a MD but if those two could play the next season, I dont see why Smith couldnt do the same.
Yeah, depends on the guy as to how fast the recovery takes. I played baseball in college and had teammates that went through Tommy Johns and never pitched again, and had guys go through the same surgery and were back in just over a year, and throwing better than ever. Personally, I had surgery on my shoulder. Torn rotator cuff and stretched ligaments. I never threw 100% again and still can't to this day.
I think we all can agree that Vincent Smith will need all of next year to recover and we'll see him 100% in Sept. 2011.
He will probably be best off redshirting next year regardless. It is a tough break but it doesn't seem like it would be worth rushing back that fast if he won't be really 100%.
the UM sports medicine team butchered my ACL reconstruction a few years ago, prematurely ending my co-ed rec softball career here in chitown; not to mention basketball and waterskiing.
though my bar time has increased significantly, so it's not all bad...
because Brady went to a surgeon the team asked him NOT to go to.
And he ended up with infection after infection in his knee.
Knees are NOT easy things to clean of infection. People who have them replaced have the have them re-replaced if they become infected.
A healthy 19 y.o. CANNOT be compared to a 31 y.o. with serial infections.
To shine a little bit of hope on the situation, Darren Evans, the talented soph RB at VTech tore his august 21st and was cleared to practice with a non contact jersey 2 weeks ago and they attribute it to his strong commitment to rehab. At the time he tore it, the tech med staff said he was a maybe for spring ball. If Vincent is just as resilient in his rehab then hopefully we can see the same results.
And the difference b/w a 19 year old and a 31 year old is not that big. It would be a valid argument if one guy was 19 and the other was 50.
True, except that a 31-year-old NFL player might as well be another decade older, with all the physical punishment he takes.
(Sorry, my Google-fu is off tonight, couldn't find it, or maybe the Michigan hating god has turned his attention to the search engines.)
He may have a point.
There is over 9 months until the season, I have torn my ACL before, and yes it sucks, but like LandonC mentioned, the sooner the surgery, the better,
If he is back in 6 months, it will only be with receiving painkillers, and pain relief stuff because the knee will still swell.
Best of Luck to Vincent on his recovery process
i was referring more to walk-throughs and being an active part instead of standing around or even forgoing for the sake of physical therapy targeted on the knee. i didn't mean playing in the game as opposed to participating in those workouts his knee would allow him (bench press, team meetings, etc.)
the article didn't give much info - just indicated he suffered an acl injury and that he will miss spring practice.
who knows, he may have only suffered a partial tear and my not have surgery at all. hold off on prognosis until full extent of injury is disclosed.
Great now we won't have DAVID MOLK or VINCENT SMITH for spring practice!
To give you a +1
In every sense of the word
It looks like is going to be missing spring practice, this could give Mike Cox and Fitz Toussaint the edge for the starting job.
It will be nice getting them some reps and moving them along quicker, but there is still Shaw. He is our most experienced on the roster. Hopefully he can add some strength though.
Vincent Smith suffered an ACL injury
hopefully it wasn't a complete tear.
I get rivals text messages, in the text it says that vincent smith TORE his ACL during the OSU game and will be out for the spring.
We need Dillon Baxter.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not happy about this development or anything. But I had a hard time believing that Smith was going to be the lead back come 2010. Whether it's Cox or Shaw or Toussaint, I figured somebody else would snatch the lead role.
But hopefully Smith can recover quickly and be a factor for us next September.
I would agree if I hadn't seen Vincent play as well as he did. He seemed to be pretty effective when he was out there.
Mike Cox looked effective, too.
that's what she said?
Just to be clear, MikeCox always looks effective.
Mike Cox is bigger than Vincent Smith. No joke. Well, maybe sorta.
I didn't see those approx. 10 carries against bad teams as particularly conclusive. Smith had more impressive work against legit teams. I'm not saying he'll start, but if you went only by what we saw I think it's pretty hard to conclude that Cox is even near him in the coaches estimation, or on the field--so far.
This is nothing against Vincent Smith, but his 4.0 yards per carry against OSU didn't light the world on fire. I know he had a nice catch and run against OSU, too, but Mike Cox's run against EMU was perhaps the second-most impressive individual play of the year behind Koger's leaping one-handed catch.
against OSU(read: not EMU) is no small feat and, given how meh our blocking was, pretty damn commendable. His receiving skills far surpass anybody else in the backfield. Mike Cox? Are you people serious? Vincent Smith was the preferred back when Minor or Brown went down, he was the one back they didn't wanna redshirt, and he was primed to be our #1 guy. This sucks, there is no question about it.
Michael Shaw is the guy who looked most imppressive early in the season, but he succumbed to injuries and looked tentative late in the year. Talent-wise, he's ahead of the pack. Let's hope he doesn't let this opportunity pass him by.
I'm not going to argue it vehemently, because like I said, I really have no strong feelings about any one particular back winning the job next year.
But despite the fact that Smith got more playing time, he had 31 carries for 110 yards against non-DSU opponents. Cox's only 2 carries outside the DSU game went for 24 and 7 yards, but he did have the longest run of the year from anyone not named Carlos Brown.
Anyway, I'm not saying Cox will or should be the guy. All I'm saying is that Smith wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire, so anointing him The Back for 2010 is probably a bit premature.
Cox definitely looks big, stong, fast and hard to bring down with good balance.
I also love how he carries the ball high-and-tight like Tiki Barber post-fumblitis.
What we haven't seen from Cox is his ability to pick up blitzers/block and catch the ball. Blocking and reading where the blitz is coming from can be learned. Catching the ball can be worked on, but typically good hands are natural. Let's hope he has good hands.
I was thinking that he was very similar to Minor in style and Shaw in size, but lacked the speed, so he was on the scout team all last year.
In 2010 he will be a RS Soph and should be fully barwisized and ready to roll. I think he is going to have a huge year!