Even if you want to take the physical abuse out of the equation (which I'm not suggesting) how is it ever okay to calll someone a fa$%^tt? It's not ok for anyone to do that, especially not a public employee.
Video of Rutgers basketball coach abusing players.
to keep a proper stance. I think UM fans have to honest with themselves and acknowledge that what we witnessed in this video happened to a lesser extent at Michigan practices under Bo.
I love Bo and I understand that this "old school" type of teaching, but coming from a home where a spanking or any form of corporal punishment was meted out I cannot separate the two.
Maybe I'm rationalizing, but hitting a guy with a ruler when he's wearing pads and a helmet doesn't seem quite as bad as what Rice is doing (throwing basketballs at players' heads). It's definitely a different era, at any rate.
There is no padding back there and either way it is an act of violence.
But was it out of a total lack of ability to control his emotions and actions?
Cause that's what I saw on that video happening multiple times.
Is doing it as a precalculated idea really that much better?
Man, you'd hate nuns.
Seriously, though, rulers as a physical stimulus to keep form is not abuse in my mind. What I just saw on video is most definitely abuse honed over many years. You don't just start doing those things out of the blue.
Rutgers starts search for new basketball coach
It's on sportscenter, he's done. I give him 24 hours
their handling of the situation which I think was taped today(?). If so, Rutgers should start their search for a new coach and a new AD
They have a great AD. No way he's going anywhere. Pernetti has done some great things in his time at Rutgers. Their fanbase (rightfully so) believes he's the major, if not sole reason, for Rutgers getting the 14th team invite.
Yes, Delany wanted NJ/NYC badly, but Pernetti handled the situation perfectly. Plus he'll be great for future TV negotiations with his connections in the industry (former CBS sports VP or Prez...some big wig).
Um, there's no way he survives this in light of the rabid, groupthink culture driven by social media. I don't care if he's Les fucking Moonves.
You act like the coach was cold cocking people and then robbing their wallets.
The Athletic Department suspended him...and I would be willing to bet loads of money the University Prez and Legal department were apprised of the situation before punishment handed down.
I just don't see them getting rid of the AD. We will see. Feel free to rub it in my face later. I did appreciate the Les Moonves reference.
Based on the interviews I saw today, Pernetti is an amoral asshole with exactly ZERO integrity. If he is the face of Rutgers Athletics then their entire program is rotten to the core.
From the interviews I saw today, people like Tim Pernetti are the problem with college ethletics. Not interested at all in doing the right thing. Always looking to cover bad stuff up and do whatever is necessary to bury things to protect their own reputation rather than protecting their students.
He deserves to be fired.
"When he hired the coach, Pernetti said he knew Rice had a "fiery" personality. "I knew exactly what I was getting and I still know what I've got," Pernetti said."
It doesn't seem like this would be necessarily true, unless Tim Pernetti really does have his reputation and ego tied up in this hire and just doesn't even want to comprehend it, as Murdock theorizes. I have to believe there are very few schools - if any at all (hopefully, none at all) - that would keep Mike Rice having seen that tape. If Pernetti think that this is merely a "first offense" and that a fine and a suspension should cover it, then there isn't much of a reason to employ someone essentially acting as an enabler either. There's maximizing potential, and then there is treating people in such a way that you oblitterate potential - clearly, Rice is of the latter school, making him effectively useless as a coach and educator, I would think.
Apparently, this is what got Rice suspended in December. The obvious follow-up question is, did he change his ways after that? If he did, can you keep him as coach, or does this fallout make him toxic? I don't know.
I think they've got to fire him now, and probably also the AD. When your coach makes the evening news for bad behavior, that's a recruiting nightmare even if he's straightened out his behavior.
What Rice did was terrible and inexcusable and he should be fired.
For me, what's just as troubling is the fact that Pernetti was informed of this behavior over the summer, didn't take any action until December and only decided that it was worth a three game suspension. He should have fired him then and there. Instead, he gives him a minor suspension, lets him go his way and fails to renew the contract of the guy that brought it to his attention.
It's bad enough that we have to accept Rutgers and their mediocrity in football and basketball, but now we know their head coach is serial abuser of his players and their AD is an enabler of this behavior.
Looking forward to seeing our teams destroy them on the field.
I cannot believe what I just watched? Who does this prick think he is? I'm shocked he still has his job.
The B1G has to know by now that when you receive a report from an inferior about some type of abuse, you better follow it up and do due diligence. Fire the coach and the AD.
A page from Coach Patches...
Ironically, that guy was far nicer than Rice. And used much cleaner language. And got better results!!
All the discussion lately, triggered in part by the O'Bannon case, about whether "student-athletes" are being abused by their schools, deprived of their rightful compensation for performing a very lucrative service for their universities. "Treated like slaves," is the hyperbole.
And here they are, being treated like slaves.
Can anyone imagine any of this going down in their own workplace? What would happen to you if you tried any of this once, never mind a continuing pattern of it for years--what would be the consequences of calling your subordinates "faggots", throwing objects at their heads from point-blank range, putting your hands on them in a way that could even conceivably be construed as violent?
But it happens on a practice court and we have at least a few people that think it's normal.
Athletics is the only place left in this society where we even have this conversation.
In the workplace, I'd imagine you'd have a pretty decent case for an IIED suit among other causes of action. Assault and battery probably too.
treated. I see no lashing, no collars, no branding, or castration. What I do see is physical abuse that, while upsetting, is nowhere near what a slave went through.
Nothing about this situation is indicative of slavery. A player can leave anytime. A slave cannot. A player can seek redress through courts of law. Slaves were not even considered fully human, much less able to use courts of law.
It's time we develop a corollary to Godwin's Law for the use of slavery on the internet. I'm calling it Quattro's Law. This is the law that states that any argument that invokes a comparison of slavery to a situation of much less severity is automatically declared invalid.
So how does this guy still have a job? Even if you discard these incidents, his record alone should be enough for him to be fired.
My dad told me that when he was in high school, coaches would call their players pussies.
He told me that when his football coach called him a pussie, he hit a guy so hard in the next drill that he injured him. haha
Even after he was known to be a prick to his players and others, Bobby Knight was still able to recruit. Having national championships will do that for you. Rice doesn't exactly have that kind of resume. He's a liability and should have been fired months ago.
If recruiting was crappy before, imagine how it's going to be now.
If I was the father of one of the players, I would have instructed my son to handle his business. And I would tell anybody who has a problem with how my son acted to come deal with me.
After the commercial break (right now) coverage of this story...
that this story has hit mainstream nightly network news, what choice doesthe Rutgers AD have but to move quickly and fire Rice?
While the report covered on NBC News by Brian Williams shouldn't be any kind of "tipping point", a story progressing this quickly through the media from a Sports Media outlet thru the blogosphere and then on to TV sets across the country pretty much spells doom.
The fact that the AD was stupid enough to not realize that this was eventually going to happen is enough reason for him to lose his job. After he watched those tapes he had two choices:
1) Fire the coach in about 10 minutes
2) FIND SOME WAY TO DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE
Anyone with an IQ north of 90 would have immediately realized that in the YouTube era, this footage getting out would be a disaster for Rutgers. For him to not understand that is just unbelievable.
Higher education? I'm sorry, but he has to go and that team is going to need some therapy!
I'm guessing his wife has a bunch of eye make-up at home as well. Just a hunch.
Usually, I'm on the side of disciplinarian coaches who yell a lot, but this guy transcends that kind of coaching. Rice is one "disciplinarian" who needs to discipline himself first.
That guy is the motherfucker
I absolutely agree that physical abuse is worse than slurs, 100%. But...if he had been throwing racial or ethnic slurs around, they would also (rightly) be a big part of the narrative, and I think they should be here too.
I'd be highly disappointed if anyone on Hoke or Berenson or Beilein's staff needed to resort to racial, ethnic or homophobic slurs to "teach" their sport, and quite honestly I think it should be considered a failure of character to do so.
Yes, the physical actions are more egregious. But I don't have a problem with the verbal abuse getting equal coverage because I think a majority of people would agree that the physical actions were not ok while not as many would think that some of the homophobic comments are not ok. Either way, coverage of one does not have to come at the expense of the other.
It's all bad and whatever gets this jerk fired will be fine by me, yet why not make the homophobic slurs the issue? If most successful coaches use homophobic slurs it doesn't make it right. In fact, what a great chance to point out the ignorance and physical bullying that such slurs go hand and hand with.
Rice will get fired but the reason for it will be mostly the wrong ones.
He will get fired because even whoever the hell Nebraska's coach is can show this video to a recruit and ask the parents if they want to play .400 ball in Lincoln or play .400 ball in Jersey with a coach like that. Rutgers has no choice to fire Rice - not because of how he treated his players but because it's an irreversible PR nightmare on all levels.
How could any AD watch this and retain the coach? Astounding.
the kids or the institution's supposed values. What a crock.
The ball throwing is an assault and battery. This coach is out of control. Either that, or he's plain nuts.
How does Rutgers' allowing this to happen not constitute a lack of institutional control?
I wonder if Delany has been on the phone with Pernetti or someone higher up in that school, and read him or her the riot act yet?
So nice that the Big Ten has added in a school with such great character and leadership!
And now as an alum I am associated with this BS? This is MY conference now?! WTF is going on here? This is totally unacceptable and as far as I'm concerned Dave Brandon owns this problem. This is the future he creates for us? Bull effing sh$t!
Because the AD fired the whistle blower and only gave the coach a fine and a suspension. Rutgers is a state school. I doubt Christie will put up with this.