in the Big Ten.
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
in the Big Ten.
just seen the tape on ESPN.. this guy is a complete asshole.. one of the newest coaches of the BIG TEN. hope he loses every game he coaches until he is fired. the kids need to get out of that program ASAP
That kind of physical and verbal abuse is just unacceptable.The dude needs therapy.
It kind of reminds me of a Will Ferrell movie.
There's a difference between tough love like we hear from Hoke/Mattison tapes and verbally belating your players like that. I don't think that all coaches should be Dr. Phil. They need to get on their guys, but that was crossing the line.
Typically when these types of stories pop up I think to myself that kids are just getting soft these days. Not in this case! That guy is out of control.
Here the issue I have with this video and this story. According to Eric Murdock, the assistant coach who's contract wasnt renewed said that he witnessed things that he wasnt comfortable with on the first and second day of practice nearly 3 years ago. Then around the time his contract wasnt renewed all this infomation was brought to light. I feel in athletics, if a coach or anybody associated with the program witnesses anything like this and keeps quiet needs to be let go. Because by keeping quiet you are fostering an atmosphere that is not condusive to learning. Mike Rice isnt the only one that needs to be gone. The assistants that witness this stuff and the AD as well need to be gone as well.
In fairness to Murdock, he is claiming wrongful termination by Rutgers, essentially for whistleblowing.
Yea he is but how convienent it is for him to claim wrongful termination when it is being reported that he was not terminated but essentially his contract was just not renewed. And I would side with Murdock had he said something from the outset but he didnt and allowed this to continue for 2 plus years. He has lost my fairness
He spent the two years he was there building up a case to show a pattern, so it couldn't be blown off as an isolated incident. It takes a while to get 30 minutes' worth of incidents that last 10 seconds. What's he supposed to do, go bleating to the media the moment he hears a bad word? He took it to the AD, and you have no idea at all what conversations he might've had during the two years he was there. Just because you didn't hear about it til now doesn't mean he "stayed silent."
u need two years to build a case? If he felt the way he feels now back then, he would not have needed two years to bring his case to the AD. Murdock was not tied to rice and did not attend rugters. He talked about seeing things in the first two practices that made him uncomfortable. At that moment he needed to go to the AD and tell him this info. Im not saying anything would have happened then but the AD need to be made aware of it. The issue I have with Murdock is how he is now suing Rutgers for wrongful termination saying he was fired for blowing the whistle. Murdock is trying to come off as he did the right the thing and in my opinion he is as guilty as RICE and every other coah and the AD who witnessed this going on in practice. Let me ask you this question, would you accept murdock's explanation for why he didnt say anything sooner if your child were on the team and he was the one being bullied by the coach. I suspect you wouldnt so spare me. And on another note I bet you were one of the people who thought JoePa didnt do enought to protect those children so how can you think Murdock did.
By your completely absurd logic, no whistleblower should ever come forward unless they come forward immediately. Otherwise they ought to be condemned just like the perpetrators. Once you witness even one thing that makes you uncomfortable you have to either speak up or forever stay quiet? That's stupid and counterproductive and a great way to make sure nothing is ever reported.
And who are you to say Murdock didn't talk to the AD right away? Do you know that for sure?
Also, makes me like Brandon even more.
...is the end of his coaching career.
Abar Rouse is out of coaching forever. Why? Because he said something, when his boss, the head coach, asked players and staff to interfere with the police investigation of the murder of one of his players by confirming his lie to the cops that the kid was a drug dealer, a lie told to cover the head coach's own pathetic ass by ginning up a cover story for the cash the kid was carrying, that were actually improper benefits paid by the head coach. That was worth tarring the posthumous reputation of ONE OF HIS OWN PLAYERS and trying to obstruct the investigation of his murder.
If you can't blow the whistle on THAT without ending your career, you can't blow the whistle on anything, ever.
Sorry for shouting, If you've ever actually paid the penalty for whistleblowing, I'll apologize and retract what I said, but I'm guessing you haven't or you wouldn't be so cavalier about the costs.
And I bet the Abar Rouse is in a better place mentally and spiritually for speaking up for what was right. Plus there are rules against retailating against a whistleblower. I would as a coach or in any profession rather get out of the profession for speaking up than to remain employed and be apart cover ups and the like. And I bet if Abar Rouse wanted to get back into coaching he could.
Abar Rouse tried to get back into coaching for years. Many well-known coaches are on record--Coach K is one--stating that they would never employ him or anyone "that had done what he did"...i.e., that had been a whistleblower.
Rouse may well be in a better place. But he lost his livelihood forever. That's the penalty the coaching profession has prepared for anyone that chooses to do the right thing.
Have they stated it was the whistleblowing that they didnt approve of? I bet its more of the fact that he lied at first to help cover up the truth. If a coach or anybody is on record stating they would never hire somebody who blew the whistle on a situation then we have lost our morals as a society. EDIT: I see that he didnt lie intially.
Just went back to the details of the baylor situation. Its seems what coaches were/are upset with in regard to Rouse was that fact that he secretly taped conversations. That is mostly the reason why coaches wont hire him not that he told the truth.
...so there would be evidence that the head coach was actively obstructing a murder investigation. Whistleblowing is bad enough--fatal from a career perspective, in fact--but effective whistleblowing? That was so beyond the pale that people like K lost control and said things to the press they might have reason to regret.
That's really all that was unique about the coaching profession in this regard. No one in my industry would ever say, in public, that we don't hire whistleblowers. We don't, of course, but we'd never say so in public.
You might want to spend a little time reading about what actually happens to whistleblowers in college athletics (or elsewhere, for that matter). Maybe the woman that blew the whislte on OSU/Clarett would be a good place to start.
Rouse's treatment was relatively benign, by comparison. But still telling.
Mark Mangino would be proud.
I thought he just ate his players? No?
He also threatens to send them back to the ghetto to get shot with their homies if they don't practice hard enough.
Actually, it was a cop in Puerto Rico that got the trashcan treatment.
I would hesitate to condemn the language out of hand if only because we don't really know what goes on at the other 350-some D-I schools. The verbal abuse is bad and not something I'd sign up for if I knew what his practices are like. But how much worse than other schools... we can't say for sure.
The shoving, kicking, and throwing basketballs, however.... even if it happened at every single other school in the country it ought to be a fireable offense at a bare minimum.
Yeah, the verbal abuse is probably not unusual at all. At my high school, our football and basketball coaches would both curse a blue streak when they were mad. Not that it should be acceptable, but people will blurt out stupid crap when they're mad - it happens. It's the physical abuse that crosses the line. Throwing a ball at a guy's head is seriously screwed up.
Cursing I have no problem with. Damn and shit and fuck are no different than dang, crap and frick to me. But I have a huge problem with fag, cunt and fairy and things of that nature. I'm sure a lot of coaches used it. Still not cool. If Bo, Red and JB used it I'd criticize them too.
Yeah, I don't think so. I don't give a crap what goes on in other gyms, a Michigan education taught us about absolute standards, not relative standards.
That's not a finger under the chin to get attention. That's outright abuse.
Rice 48 more hours in his position. I give the Rutgers AD about twice that long.
If Rutgers acts quickly, they can have a coach in place before Minnesota does.
If I were a Rutgers fan, I'd be embarassed. Now what's this about a basketball coach?
As a B$G fan, I'm not only embarrassed, I'm pissed off.
Guy is a bully plain and simple. Firing a ball at an unsuspecting player's head from point blank range (behind them as well) is not tough love or coaching - its bullying. He should be fired on the spot by the AD.
AD Tim Pernetti reiterated that Rice will remain Rutgers's coach, last month.
He had seen these tapes at that time, so it looks like two people are getting fired today.
The only logical explanation is that he thought the tapes would never become public. I find it hard to believe that he'd suspend him for only 3 GAMES knowing that people would see this. Bruce Pearl got 3 YEARS for lying about sharing a hotdog with Aaron Craft at his house.
That is probably the case becasue ESPN was scheduled to air this Sunday, and Rutgers droped it today.
May I introduce Mr Rush. You two should maybe join forces looking for new employment.
Was I the only one secretly hoping that at least one of the much younger, stronger and larger players he was physically abusing would have punched this little motherfucker right in the face?
I love tough guys who use their immunity to retribution (I'm a coach-you're a player) to bully others situationally. I wonder how many players who've graduated are just waiting to run into Mr Wonderful in a bar somewhere so they can let him just how good it feels to be publicly humiliated and have things thrown at him.
No, you were not the only one hoping for that.
Wow, that's pretty disgusting behavior on Rice's part. I've seen some coaches that have crossed the line, in my opinion, but never anything close to that bad. As others have said, the guy absolutely needs to be fired.
I've never seen a coach do it so many times. A fiery coach might cross the line once, maybe twice but never again. These vids make it look consistent.
Some of those clips are worse than others, but the ball-throwing is ridiculous. That's just being a bully, not a coach.
Yeah...that, the punching in the arm, and the name-calling/cussing are what cross the line. To be honest, I don't have a problem with a coach grabbing a guy by the jersey and dragging him to where he needs to be (which happens once or twice in the video). I keep my hands off of players unless I'm encouraging them, because you never know what a random observer will think. But if a coach grabbed me by the jersey to put me in the proper position, I wouldn't care. If he threw a ball at me, called me a faggot, punched me, etc., I'd rightfully be pissed off.
I remember being grabbed by the jersey and/or shoulder pads and led to another spot on the field. I have no problem with that because it's instructional (though I think what you do is smart). The ball-throwing, etc. is simply destructive and demeaning.
It's sort of a fuzzy line but you stated it well where he crosses it.
It's sort of a fuzzy line but you stated it well where he crosses it.
They got a few things right:
"The Rutgers Athletic Center has enjoyed a renaissance as one of the most difficult places to play in all of college basketball."
"Rice wasted little time making his mark during his initial campaign in 2010-11."
On a more serious note: using fear and abuse to motivate breeds resentment. The main flaw with this tactic is that the players will only do as much as he tells them; no player would ever go the extra mile for him, like they would for a Hoke or a Beilein.
These players are still kids, and Rice's actions suggest that it's more about him than about the players.
no player would ever go the extra mile for him, like they would for a Hoke or a Beilein.
That's the key ... in addition to putting the university in jeopardy of embarrassment or worse, Rice's tactics are very short-sighted.
There's nothing wrong with pushing young men to face their limitations and break through them. Hell, that's one of the key positives of sport like football or basketball. Coaches that do that well -- and Hoke absolutely comes to mind -- earn not just the respect of the players, but the devotion of the players. This Rice guy earns neither.
That guy is a first-class a-hole but I didn't see anything to get him fired. Maybe I'd fire him now that this video came out and it's going to be a real bitch to recruit, but not because some people deem he was overly physical.
It's division one basketball, not a youth league. Grow some thick skin or go play somewhere else.
Move along now...