Found here. It's not pretty to watch, and York blindsides the guy. After seeing this, I have a hard time seeing him back on this team. Very cowardly.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Found here. It's not pretty to watch, and York blindsides the guy. After seeing this, I have a hard time seeing him back on this team. Very cowardly.
From MLive's article:
The victim appears to have not known the punch was coming. It knocked out a tooth and broke his jaw in three places, requiring it to be wired shut and necessitating the temporary use of a breathing tube, according to the police report, which was obtained along with the video via a Freedom of Information Act request.
Also, it's infront of Skeeps - the tents are from Art Fair.
I agree, I think we've seen the last of him. Hope he gets things together and finds another avenue in life.
it won't be the last we see of him. he will be on state's starting roster next year.
what? you people don't think Dantonio would take an in state reciever with a sucker punching problem? york seems to be just about his kind of player.
It's the grammar, not the content, that is getting you down-voted.
It's the content as well.
sorry that i don't put much emphasis on capitalization, and proper sentence structure on an online forum. now if you want me to write you up a paper i will take extra time to make sure it is proper.
as for the content. you may not like it, but it is still the truth. if york gets seperated from Michigan. Dantonio will be there waiting with roses and chocolates. i don't care really about my mgopoints they are just fun coupons.
That's not remotely true and you make UM fans looks stupid by saying that.
explain how i make UM fan's "looks" stupid by pointing out that Dantonio would have no problem with picking up York if he were to be seperated from the University?
as for anyone else downvote if you want, but i don't care if you don't find this insightful or uplifiting. it wasn't meant to be.
I'll bet you $500 that York never wears a MSU jersey. Stop embarrassing yourself.
I am a huge believer in giving kids a hard task at a 2nd chance. This one is pretty ugly though. What we saw there was pretty sick. I trust Brady to do what's right for the program and right for this situation. Michigan does not need this kid. But that is not the question. I believe Brady looks at this and says. "can I help him and at what cost". And the Dantonio shit is BS. He is a smug a-hole but he is not tolerating shit like this.
but didn't Winston go from the jail house to starting RB. Then there was the engineering student beat down after the football banquet. While I'm not saying Dantonio would take him, but given past history I can't say he wouldn't.
Tell us more...
make us look like we don't know how to use a period.
For me it was purely your dumb post that got you downvoted.
I'm pretty sure it's because he capitalized "Dantonio".
Well, UM has had quite a few more legal issues than MSU since Rather Hall so this looks pretty ignorant.
MSU did just basically release Jayru from his commitment following a relatively similar incident.
literally shaking my head at this comment. to typecast the entire MSU team as a team that builds its roster off of an affinity for players with assault records, following one of our own committing an assault, is just plain classless. As a UM fan, i don't want to be associated with comments that similarly apply a blanket stereotype of ignorance on us all.
Now that's a coward: Knock a guy out when he has his hands in his pockets, then run away.
Hope York never plays for or practices with Michigan again.
This is damning. I don't think the guy turned his head towards C'sonte at all. He could have killed him. I understand maintaining an indefinite suspension while the legal situation plays out, but in no way should this guy remain on the team.
This was obviously a horrible crime, and the legal situation will play itself out. I, however, hope that after York has served his punishment, if he is contrite, that he gets a second chance.
He sucker-punched a guy. It was an awful decision, but it was made in the moment by a young kid. If he is willing to work his way back onto the team, after the legal system has meted out justice, AND he's been suspended for at least a year, I am okay with it.
IMO, this was just too violent of an act against another human that resulted in great bodily harm to justify a 2nd chance - at least at Michigan. If some other program is willing to take a chance on him, so be it. But part of him paying the price for this poor decision needs to be losing his opportunity forever to wear the Maize and Blue.
Hoke did give a second chance to Clark after his felony arrest- only missed one game if I remember correctly. Not to mention the Gibson scandal. Hoke lying about his status really turned me off. Saying he was missing a game for a "family issue" when he was actually kicked out of school for rape is pretty low.
So the precendent is there for him to be suiting up again. Of course, some delusional fans will still use this opportunity to take shots at Sparty. He should be kicked off the team, no question. And I'm sure some will argue to let the justice system play out, but look at what Meyer is doing at OSU. Someone there gets in trouble and they're off the team- unless the charges are reduced.
would hope that U of M somehow publically separates themselves from Gibbons. Way worse than this punch in my opinion on a number of levels and Michigan's been pretty cowardly about the whole thing. Hell I would contribute money towards any lawsuits involved for that statement.
as is always the case.
Nice attempt to distort the facts again.
Was reinstated after the charges were reduced, so apparently scholarship levels didn't have anything to do with it. Just so you have your facts straight.
Let's be honest, you weren't turned off by Hoke lying about the incident. I'm sure you really wanted Hoke to stand in front of a podium and say "Oh, Gibbons? Yeah, he raped someone so he went home." You were actually turned off because you're not a Michigan fan.
Try to be a better human.
I see what you're saying, and I don't think those calling for expulsion and dismissal are "wrong," I just disagree, and only slightly.
I'm saying IF the legal system allows York to reduce the charge/sentence--which they are more likely to do if he is truly contrite--and IF he serves his sentence, and IF the university doesn't expel him, and IF Hoke determines that it was just a bad, bad mistake, and IF York works, works, works his way back onto the team, if all of those big "IF"s play out in the kid's favor, he should get a second chance.
If we hadn't seen the video and just heard that York had punched a kid in the face, I seriously doubt we'd all be calling for his head. Yes, he hit the kid hard. Yes, it was an awful decision. But it was a split second decision by a kid who thought his friend might be in danger. I'm not defending York, because I don't know what was/is in his heart, but if he can prove that it was just a bad moment and he's learned his lesson--and that's a lot of hoops to jump through--I'd rather see him graduate from Michigan and play football again and have a positive impact on decisions that other kids might make.
I'm not saying go soft on him, I'm just saying I wouldn't rule out completely the idea of having him back on the team. And you're right, that's just my opinion.
pretty difficult to look at the video and see where anyone had to worry about danger except for the victim. Also I disagree that it's only because of the video. The jaw broken in three places shows this was a pretty vicious attack.
Sad sad sad. It wasn't even spur of the moment. He lined him up...waited a second..then hit him. Just dumb. Lucky the person he attacked did not get hurt even more.
Yeah he needs to be gone. That's gutless.
Not that I condone what York did or calling out your comment in particular but I'm confused why people are so anti York getting a second chance and ok with Glasgow playing this year. Driving drunk is a crazy serious thing and more people are killed by drunk drivers than punching. I personally think Glasgow and York should both be done for the year and see how they reform themselves. Just confused by the different responses.
shows that in situations like this, people typically internalize and personalize the situation.
For me, (and I'm assuming most on this board), there have been a couple times I've driven when I probably should not have. So naturally, people with this experience tend to lighten up on the emotional response to first time offenders when there isn't a victim.
I've never sucker punched another human being.
Victims play a role; there is no face/story to go with the Glasgow DUI b/c he didn't hit, hurt, or kill anyone as far as I know. York put a dude in a hospital and that guy won't eat normally for several weeks and is living life in constant pain.
I'm not totally offended as a citizen by the 1 game suspension for Glasgow, but also would not have been upset if it were 2-3 (b/c again, no victims and he's of age). On the other hand, I'm not totally opposed to a HC telling his players, "You're off the team for this list of infractions..." and some of those being DUI and getting caught on video sucker punching someone.
I get that but failing to hit someone while driving drunk doesn't mean it isn't dangerous . I get that this is how the justice system works, if you shoot at someone and miss you get a different punishment than if you hit them. My issue isn't with york being suspended for a year, its with glasgow not being suspended for more than 1 game and the fact that everyone is saying he should have a second chance but York shouldn't. They both made a mistake but one man will have a chance to come back from it and another will not and its not like the mistake glasgow made is less severe, it is more dangerous both to him and society than York. If you had to ask me which person I would want living on my block it would be York.
Really what I'm getting at is I think glasgow deserved a harsher punishment and if you think he deserves a second chance at Michigan than I think York should get one too.
Not at all condoning this, it's terrible, but weren't they facing each other? Maybe I'm seeing this wrong.
He hit a guy who had his hands in his pockets. Watch the clip, he starts to sneak more to the front of him so he could square up for a punch. Gutless move.
To me it looked like they were facing each other.
The article said this:
Jones told police that as the victim leaned in, which is visible in the video, he said, "You think you're really tough; you guys are some (expletive)."
up to a Judge/ jury. It's not like the Ray Rice situation, where the victim didn't cooperate. I'm sure dude with the broken jaw is going to press charges. Let them decide. Hoke made the right call by kicking him off the team for now.
Curious as to why this sentence was included at all:
A breath test revealed York had a blood alcohol content of .057, which is below the legal limit to drive.
When 1) York is 20 years old and 2) they fled on foot.
Most people have no idea what is considered a high BAC level, so if they say below the legal limit, then they know it was not much to drink.
That makes sense.
But the article also said the police didn't catch up with him until like 6 a.m., right? So that number is from at least a few hours after the incident actually occurred, which means he probably was pretty hammered when this happened. I'm not trying to imply anything here, the details are just a little confusing.
I think it's relevant insofar as it shows that he was relatively sober. He couldn't blame it on too much to drink. And he was obviously sober enough to throw a hard punch. Reference to the legal limit is so that people can assess his relative sobriety to a standard they understand, I think.
Punk move. York Assault however would make a great band name.
He should not be back on this team. He (and the victim) are both very very lucky this was not fatal.
...the work of a coward that doesn't deserve a second chance. I want nothing to do with him.
100% agree. Coward move.
The guy could have been talking smack or whatever.. but his hands were jammed in his pocket and was as non-threatening as you could be.
He could have killed him.
He Jeremy Hill-ed him. Gotta go. I said it was pathetic when LSU team was allowed to vote Hill back onto the squad, as if they should be the authority over their frend and teammate. Hoke can't pull a Les Miles. The team has had more than its share of incidents under him.
He lagarrette Blount'd him. Lit him up while he wasn't looking....
now you owe us two ass whoopings.....
Absolutely horrible. I hope he never gets to represent The University of Michigan in any facet ever again.
This is not one of those times where I wish someone best of luck in the future. That is how people get killed. So long C'Sonte. Good riddance. Don't let the cell door hit your ass on the way in.
Time to send him packing, with news clippings about the soccer ref in Livonia as a going-away present.
My lord, I don't know what was going on, but it didn't even look like anything was confrontational. Just straightup decked him!
I failed to see this elbow bump that initiated this. And Csonte sure didn't come off as scared until he took off after he laid out the other kid. With the video I hope it is a quick decision to dismiss him permantely from both the team and University.
You know what's tough Csonte? Being the bigger man and walking away.
Yikes. No way he comes back after that.
Boot him. Now.
So, most of you think that one punch, a serious mistake of one, but one punch is enough to make the kid miss out on a chance to play for Michigan? I disagree. Suspend him for a while, make him work to get back on the team, but teach the kid, don't send him packing for one mistake. That's not like Hoke...he wants to teach these kids how to be men...consquences and second chances is how you do that.
Are you kidding me? You would let a murderer get a 2nd chance. Holy $hit this is horrible and i wish someone would hold him down and let Vladimir Klitchko take a shot at him. This was a cowardly, horrible thing. A fist is a weopon and that could have been death.
Matter of fact, Jones was right there - he didnt throw a punch but he was the one arguing, and seemed to walk to the side and get his attention away from York so York could hit him. Id argue that this could have absolutely been an accomplice in 'lining' the guy up for a free pot shot.
This makes me soooo angry. Grrr!
I really don't think Jones was deliberately setting the kid up to get knocked out. It looks like he was just jabbering with the guy, but both Jones and the victim had their hands down and didn't have confrontational body posture.
It looks to me like Jones sees York and steps to the other side to distract the guy. Notice his reaction after the punch, too: instead of grabbing York and pulling him away, he backs up slowly and walks away like he knew it was coming. So I also think he should be charged as an accomplice and suspended from the team pending further investigation.
I seen this a couple of times in person, but its prevelant in your typical "Worldstar" video. It looked to me like he was clearly baiting the guy and setting York up for the easy take down. Its a big hoot to people like this, as if sucker punching a drunk guy face to face isn't easy enough as it is.
Jones totally saw York lining that punch up and moved off to side so that kid wouldn't see it coming. It's disgraceful.
How serious would a crime have to be before you would no longer advocate for a second chance?
I think this is a good disscussion point. Where do you draw the line? It seems most think once the act becomes violent is when a second chance isnt warrented. Then why do DUIs result in a 1 game suspension and second chance? That can be just as dangerous if not more than violent acts. You bring up a good point and im not sure myself where that line should be drawn. However I am usually in favor of giving second chanes because thats when they really need that structure and leadership
have to be here. I'm sure he'll get a second chance somewhere. I just don't want it to be at U of M.
As far as DUIs go, I think you really need to look at the BAC. I know plenty of people who have no problem driving at a .08. I also know some people who I wouldn't get into a car with if they were stone cold sober and still can't figure out how they got their license. To make things clear I don't know the circumstances of Glasgow's DUI so I'm not sticking up for him or saying the punishment is to light.
No. Criminal assault. Could have been murder.
I don't think any head football coach has the time or expertise to un-teach 18 years of bad attitude.
I agree about second chances but not about playing football for Michigan. I have no issue if he never sees a snap going forward for what he did, but I don't think casting him out to fend for himself with a felony charge against him does anything to help society. If he does stay on the team, it would have to be at least a 1 year suspension with a review afterwards to determine if the coaches believe he has earned the right to play.
He will get lots of second chances. This is not going to lead to him spending the rest of his years in prison. But he has blown the chance he had at the University of Michigan.
Someone that assaults someone by sucker punching them in the face doesn't fit the criteria in my book.
EDIT: Anonymous downvotes to a comment condemning a sucker punch...fitting...but not surprising.
York could have permanently disabled or even killed the guy - and for no decent reason that can be discerned from the video. Some things just don't deserve 2nd chances and this is one of them. He needs to go - quickly.
I'd say there's a decent chance that he did permanently disable the guy. Breaking your jaw in three places is something that could give him real trouble for the rest of his life. Not necessarily debilitating, but still.
That will not only get him kicked off the team, but also kicked out of U of M completely, right? Please?
Kicking him out of the University is too extreme. It's a terrible mistake, but his life shouldn't be destroyed for it.
Assuming he loses his football scholarship, I'll bet he leaves the school of his own accord and accepts a scholarship elsewhere in the future.
Disagree. Sucker punches like that can kill people or permanently destroy their lives. He should see some jail time for this.
Yep. Ask that former Minnesota and never was Rutgers QB.
He doesn't get into Michigan without being able to play on the practice squad, there's no real reason to keep him around now that he should be kicked off of the football team for this assault.
I hope that he gets to the bottom of his problems and turns his life around. He made a horrible decision, and I hope he uses this as a turning point to make better ones.
I believe that saying it was a terrible act assumes that the victim is of concern. And I'm hoping that others are not hurt in the future by this out-of-control young man. I'm looking at the big picture. Nothing comes from nothing. There are lots of people in pain in this situation. Concern for potential future victims and, yes, even the perpetrator, is in no way antithetical to concern for the victim.
While he definitely needs to be punished, I hate the idea of just cutting a player loose after something like this and letting his life get ruined. I don't know how you do it, but putting this kid in jail for a decade where he will come out with virtually no chance to be successful is sad. There's a significantly greater chance he leads a productive life if he can remain on the team and not contribute but after seeing this video I doubt that happens.
I agree with you on how jails are more retributive and not rehabilitative but man that is flat out unprovoked assault. I'm not sure he really deserves another chance unless he shows initiative to get anger counseling to prevent something like this from ever happening again.
I understand that it's unprovoked assault but it's also 10 seconds that could ruin the rest of his life. It wasn't premeditated, it was a dumb decision in a confrontation infront of a bar. If we want to punish the kid as well as help him not repeat, it's better to give him a huge community service sentence and keep him on the team but no playing for at least a year.
"Premeditated" is an interesting word because it doesn't really indicate how much time has to pass for something to be "premeditated". From the video it looks like he took a decent amount of time to line this kid up before sucker punching him. He had his eye on the kid the whole time while the kid was distracted by Jones, and when Jones took a step back and was out of the way, C'sonte unloads on him.
He had plenty of time to think through his actions....he has to go.
I understand that it's unprovoked assault but it's also 10 seconds that could ruin the rest of his life.
That's just how real life works. You bear the consequences of your actions once you're an adult, which he is. Unless you're filthy rich, then you can usually buy your way out of deep shit.
In the rarest of circumstances can you claim provocation as a defense, legally speaking. Unless you think talking smack about sports is provocation enough to get your lights knocked out.
While he definitely needs to be punished, I hate the idea of just cutting a player loose after something like this and letting his life get ruined.
Umm.... Since when is your life ruined if you don't play football at the U of M? Attending and playing at such a prestigious school is one of the most valuable priviledges one can receive. You do something like this, you lose that priviledge. Hopefully York will learn that actions have consequences and turn his life around. But it's his call and his decision and his actions that will determine the path of his life.
Realistically, what potential do you think his life will hold after this? He'll be a convicted felon (or at least convicted of a serious misdemeanor), possibly without a college degree, and future employers will have access to the video. His life just took a very sharp and permanent turn torwards Shitsville.
The English Lord sounding receiving corp was never meant to be. There was a time when it could have been Treadwell, York and Dukes. It would have made for a lot of bad Sportcenter jokes.
The bar scene can get so stupid at that age.
I call 15-25 life's gaunlet - when most of the worst stuff can happen to you. That period of time amounts to only 20% of my current life span, but I'd say 95% of the most life threatening and dangerous stuff I've encountered in life happened during that span.
This is so true. At 30 I am really glad I never ended up being that kid whom was sucker punched. So many times that could have happened. Close calls.
but at least now we know he didn't cause delano hill's broken jaw
c'see ya later, c'sonte
While I see your point and where you are going with this, I will respectfully disagree.
Haven't watched the video yet because I'm at work, but there is no need to rush to judgment. He's appropriately suspended. Wait until the trial to decide what happened, and if witnesses decide he was provoked without cause. Im not condoning violence, but if a tough guy decides to say racist stuff 2 inches from your face and basically ask for a fight...I can't really feel sorry for him if he gets hit.
Again, haven't watched the video. Not necessarily defending York. But I'm OK with an indefinite suspension until we get some clarity and perspective.
Get back to us once you've seen the video. Atrocious behavior.
If someone were to say hateful things to my face, I wouldn't wait til he walks away to run up behind him and hit him, and thrn run away.
Haven't watched the video and I like to form my own opinions. Not saying you or anyone else is wrong. I just think an individual should be innocent until proven guilty, and suspending him immediately after the incident was the appropriate decision.
I'll watch it later and you all are probably right. But I'll see for myself, and even then I'll wait until the courts and eyewitnesses complete the story.
There is absolutely no grey area in this case. It's all there plain as day on video. The only place "innocent until proven guilty" applies is for state administired punishment. People throw that statement around like it somehow exonerates obvious criminals from their actions until a judge rubber stamps it. The team can and should act now.
But I don't think he should be kicked off the team, suspended for the year? I'd say so...he definitely should have to work to get back on the team, but write him off because he is a young kid who made one bad mistake? I think he deserves a chance to redeem himself.
He is on tape committing assault. He absolutrly should be kicked off the team.Not only should he be kicked off, odds are he will be serving some time in the slammer for that.
Could not disagree more. He could have killed this kid, or permanently disabled him. This was no "mistake" this was deliberate, cold-blooded and evil. He needs to be gone.
It certainly was a horrible decision and he should be punished. We've had kids picked up for drunk driving who "could" have killed someone. He's immature and has a lot to learn, fact is he didn't kill anybody and will likely be punished severely. I'm good with whatever BH decides.
To your point, if those kids got in a DUI car accident that could've killed someone, that would be a better analogy. I don't think people realize how easy it is for someone to die from a sucker punch—either from the initial blow itself, or from the head hitting the concrete immediately afterward. He may be charged with agg assault, but he could easily be charged with more. Kick him off the team and out of the school.
I'm not on his side, it was a horrible, horrible decision. He needs help, get him help, I'll let Brady make the decision, it should be a privilege to play for Michigan, he is young, I hope he learns.
He may be younger than most of us, but 20 is definitely old enough to know sucker punching someone is a serious offense.
Did anyone else notice how the guy, that was talking to the man who was hit, moved out of the way really quick as if he knew what was going to happen?
That's Da'Mario Jones, there's some discussion upthread, and he should be suspended from the team and charged as an accomplish, IMO.
I think there's a statue of limitations.
In my defense, I got it right upthread 3 minutes before that comment.
But what would that accomplish?
He needs to go. Now. No need to wait for the case to be decided. That video is damning. He could've very easily killed him.
Get him off the team NOW. Michigan doesn't need athletes like this, let alone students. Truly disgusting behavior. Hits a man when he isn't looking then runs away like a coward with his posse. In my opinion, Jones should be punished to some degree as well. It looks pretty damning that he set the guy up and took off running... He knew what was happening.
If this idiot isn't gone, Brady can kiss his "family values" line to the curb. It's one thing to make a mistake, it's another to attempt to inflict a devastating injury on someone who isn't even looking.
Jones let his teammate,coaches,family,university,and the team down he should have stopped York, for those reasons Jones should be suspended indefinitely IMO
I am not blaming Jones, but he clearly knew the punch was coming.
He steps face to face with the guy while York wonders around then steps away right before York throws the punch and runs away with him,think you're being a little naive, I am sorry to say this but I've actually seen this situation happen quite a few times.
is agg assault, which is a misdemeanor in MI. Decent odds he doesn't serve any further time in jail.
Full disclosure: I hate Hawk Harrelson.
Sorry kid, you lost your chance to play for Michigan. I hope he learned his lesson
who was sucker punched and suffered a broken jaw while protecting a girl, kick this garbage off the team. I don't care if he's 20. Throwing a haymaker when the guy isn't looking is beyond cowardly.
That makes me sick. I know that my opinion means nothing, but I would prefer to never see him in a Michigan uniform again. Yes, we all make mistakes, but some are simply worse than others. That really was a punk move.
People saying he could have killed someone is a bit of a reach. I can say the same thing about speeding or Glasgow drunk driving or anyone drunk driving. Yes this was an extreme overreaction to a guy running his mouth. The victim did not in anyway shape or form deserve this what so ever. York should be punished but the make the jump to murder from Agg. Assault is a giant leap one that needs to not be made. He should stay on the team similar to what we did with hagerup. Stop saying he could have killed someone.
Saying he could have killed the guy is not a reach. It was one punch that killed the soccer ref in Livonia earlier this summer.
One sucker punch out of the hundreds of millions thrown kills someone doesn't mean every thing equals death. Anything can be deadly. Including drinking too much water. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it's likely. Still it is very wrong.
Sadeto in the post below pretty much elaborated on my argument. You're right that almost anything can be deadly, but if you can't see the difference between drinking too much water and intentionally inflicting serious harm, I don't know what else to say.
False analogies here. People who speed or drive while intoxicated very rarely intend to kill other people. Disregard for human life? Yes, but intent to harm, rarely.
And there is a huge difference between aggravated assault on a victim who is aware of the confrontation and one who isn't even looking at you. Someone not expecting a punch to the side of his head from an athlete of York's strength is far more likely to be seriously injured and possibly die. It happens, not infrequently. If York had confronted that man face to face chances are we wouldn't even know about the incident. But that's clearly not what York wanted, York didn't want this man to defend himself or fight back.
He could have killed him, it's actually much more absurd for you to deny that. I won't do your homework for you, you can easily find multiple recent cases of people serving hard time because the helpless person they punched hit his head on pavement and died. I can point you to 3 within my city in the past 6 months. Granted, it's a pretty damn big city, but that's beside the point.
Fuck it, I'll do your homework for you; tell these familes how absurd it is to say York could have killed him:
Can you prove he had intent to kill?
Why does intent to kill matter?
Because the person to whom I was responding to said
"False analogies here. People who speed or drive while intoxicated very rarely intend to kill other people. Disregard for human life? Yes, but intent to harm, rarely."
Dirty D this isn't sparty or Ohio, take your valverine thuggery bullshit somewhere else
My what? Nothing I said was thuggish
You're making excuses left and right for his behavior, you obviously don't think it's a big deal. This is a very prestiges university that plays football not the opposite, that type of behavior will never be tolerated at The university of Michigan
No, you should read and comprehend my entire post. In no way shape or form do I make an excuse or condemn the actions of Mr. York. In fact I did state he should be punished and by no way was he in the right. My statement and point was to stop saying he could have killed someone.
What is the word you were using in your attempt to insult me. I'm curious
Because the person to whom I was responding to said
"False analogies here. People who speed or drive while intoxicated very rarely intend to kill other people. Disregard for human life? Yes, but intent to harm, rarely."
Actually, it does happen pretty infrequently. There were about 700 homicides in the U.S. last year caused by fists or feet, and most of those are prolonged beatings. There were roughly 760,000 cases of aggravated assault. York's size and the blindsinding definitely increased the chances, but killing someone with one punch is still very difficult to do even if your'e trying.
If someone hits their head on a curb after being punched the cause of death wouldn't be hands or feet, correct? All of the people who are punched and hit their head on cement and suffer permanent damage aren't in those stats either.
They're saying he could be knocked unconscious and hit his head on the curb, or break his neck as it's limp and cannot be braced from impact to the impact of the fall.
Why are you even arguing it? Just because something isn't likely makes it impossible?
You're very trusting of crime classification methods (e.g. of the 3 links I posted, at least one if not two will not be classified as homicides).
And even so, I don't personally think almost twice a day across the country is infrequent. And difficulty is irrelevant to the argument as to whether or not he "could have" done it.
I never want to see him representing Michigan ever again. Period.
He needs to be off the team and I think he needs to find another school. I'm sure someone will still let him play football anyway.
He should have known when he threw the punch, what the results of his actions would be.
I'd be surprised and disappointed if he is allowed back on the team.
Two cowardly acts back to back, he sucker punches a kid and then takes off..absolutely disgusting.
Not sure if Jones knew or not but it does seem a bit odd how he got out of the way right before the punch.
Needs to be sent to Bolivia for that
One thing I never in my life understood. Why kids can think knocking someone out who is defenseless is fun?
I don't care if the dude is bigger, if the dude bumped into or is talking shit about your momma. Why in the hell is it fun to punch someone blindly? I've seen it a million times. Just senseless and cowardly.
Show this video and hopefully some photos of the kid who was injured to the rest of the team and make sure this shit never happens again.
Just awful. Good luck my man, I'm sure you will get a 2nd chance somewhere. Don't Titus Young it.
He should not be let back on the team, ever.
I've been drunk and pissed before but never ever ever thought about sucker punching anyone before. Pack your bags York because you are not wanted here.
Don't talk no shit, won't be no shit
...because if this was on the first page the negs would've been legendary.
a piece a shit this guy appears to be. have fun in jail, asshole.
I usually try and look at things from both sides before coming to any conclusions, but this is horse shit. That dude has his frickin head turned and his hands in his pockets! What a chump, get his ass out of here
I know this isn't my decision to make, but if it were, I'd throw this kid's ass off the team and think nothing of it. I don't want someone like this representing my team and my university.
He shouldn't have thrown the punch no matter the scenario. Be the better man, remember the teammates you'd be letting down by fighting, and just walk away. I guarantee that even if that guy was talking some mad shit, had C'sonte walked away, the guy would've woken up the next morning and not remembered any of it. Nor would he have cared. But of course, C'sonte didn't walk away.
To throw a complete sucker punch when the guy wasn't even looking, and then to just run off like that, shows he's nothing more than a brute and a coward.
Jeremy Hill was caught on video doing basically the same thing and got 5 quarter suspension. York probably wont see the field again in maize and blue.
He literally lined him up and delivered that punch.. We don't need this kind of stuff
To sucker punch someone face to face in the heat of the moment is one thing, but to take 2 seconds to line it up and blindside someone, well that takes a special kind of person. Boot him - we need leaders not thugs.
How is his first name pronounced?
Saun-tay. Dick head.
That was a brutal shot. This kid needs to be off the team, and likely in jail. I do hope the team is still able to offer a structured support environment for him to take advantage of if he so chooses. We all make mistakes...his was just particularly stupid and reckless.
Really unfortunate situation, I hope the victim fully recovers, he took one helluva shot.
involved in the initial encounter was a former UM hockey player who is now in the NHL Either there had to be a previous confrontation or they are talking about the victim's friend who they allowed to walk past.
is a pile of shit.
The video is front page on break.com
This is too much. UM cannot allow this vid to become the "face" of the program. First, Hoke needs to act swiftly, given the video evidence, and dismiss York from the team...not waiting for the legal process or other bullshit. Second, the victim deserves an apology from Jones and the University (obviously from York as well, but he is not our guy after number one). Third, York can rehabilitate himself through counseling/complying with the justice system and facing his punishment like a man. Fourth, if he wholly commits himself to point three, York will likely find a program willing to give him that second chance. But not here. See Dorial Green-Beckham and OU.
Is this also considered a "hate" crime?
So dissapointed in Csonte. This type of punch can easily kill someone.
Don't race bait this thing. Kid was an asshole college kid who should be kicked off team but there is nothing here to say he targeted the guy based on race, rather the evidence suggests he targeted because of a dispute about his sport of choice and that they were "jaw jacking" each other. Ignorant comments like this are for Osu and MSU boards.
Hoke needs to dismiss York from the team immediately, if he plays for Michigan again it will be a travesty. After being kicked off the team, not only the legal process throught the courts should occur, but whatever disciplinary process the school can take to remove York from the University all together needs to happen. He assaulted and seriously injured a fellow student athlete.
And Jones? He was part of this too, he set the guy up, knew what was about to happen and I believe should face discipline too. Jones knew York was winding up, doesn't a decent human being try to at least stop their teammate from making a terrible mistake like this? And how about helping the victim who may have been laying their on the ground dying. His jaw was broke in 3 places, he lost a tooth, and suffered a serious concussion. He will likely be dealing with the effects of this attack for months if not years.
York is a gutless thug and Jones is a coward. I will never cheer for either if they ever see the field for us.