August 12th, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^
From MLive's article:
The victim appears to have not known the punch was coming. It knocked out a tooth and broke his jaw in three places, requiring it to be wired shut and necessitating the temporary use of a breathing tube, according to the police report, which was obtained along with the video via a Freedom of Information Act request.
Also, it's infront of Skeeps - the tents are from Art Fair.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^
I agree, I think we've seen the last of him. Hope he gets things together and finds another avenue in life.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^
it won't be the last we see of him. he will be on state's starting roster next year.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:02 PM ^
what? you people don't think Dantonio would take an in state reciever with a sucker punching problem? york seems to be just about his kind of player.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:06 PM ^
It's the grammar, not the content, that is getting you down-voted.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:08 PM ^
It's the content as well.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:20 PM ^
sorry that i don't put much emphasis on capitalization, and proper sentence structure on an online forum. now if you want me to write you up a paper i will take extra time to make sure it is proper.
as for the content. you may not like it, but it is still the truth. if york gets seperated from Michigan. Dantonio will be there waiting with roses and chocolates. i don't care really about my mgopoints they are just fun coupons.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:21 PM ^
That's not remotely true and you make UM fans looks stupid by saying that.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:32 PM ^
explain how i make UM fan's "looks" stupid by pointing out that Dantonio would have no problem with picking up York if he were to be seperated from the University?
as for anyone else downvote if you want, but i don't care if you don't find this insightful or uplifiting. it wasn't meant to be.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^
I'll bet you $500 that York never wears a MSU jersey. Stop embarrassing yourself.
August 12th, 2014 at 11:29 PM ^
I am a huge believer in giving kids a hard task at a 2nd chance. This one is pretty ugly though. What we saw there was pretty sick. I trust Brady to do what's right for the program and right for this situation. Michigan does not need this kid. But that is not the question. I believe Brady looks at this and says. "can I help him and at what cost". And the Dantonio shit is BS. He is a smug a-hole but he is not tolerating shit like this.
August 13th, 2014 at 9:42 PM ^
but didn't Winston go from the jail house to starting RB. Then there was the engineering student beat down after the football banquet. While I'm not saying Dantonio would take him, but given past history I can't say he wouldn't.
August 12th, 2014 at 6:16 PM ^
Tell us more...
August 12th, 2014 at 11:51 PM ^
make us look like we don't know how to use a period.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:23 PM ^
For me it was purely your dumb post that got you downvoted.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^
I'm pretty sure it's because he capitalized "Dantonio".
August 12th, 2014 at 8:46 PM ^
Troll trying to make UM fans look like uneducated *ssholes.
August 12th, 2014 at 9:29 PM ^
I agree/////
August 12th, 2014 at 3:12 PM ^
Well, UM has had quite a few more legal issues than MSU since Rather Hall so this looks pretty ignorant.
MSU did just basically release Jayru from his commitment following a relatively similar incident.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:27 PM ^
literally shaking my head at this comment. to typecast the entire MSU team as a team that builds its roster off of an affinity for players with assault records, following one of our own committing an assault, is just plain classless. As a UM fan, i don't want to be associated with comments that similarly apply a blanket stereotype of ignorance on us all.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:24 PM ^
Now that's a coward: Knock a guy out when he has his hands in his pockets, then run away.
Hope York never plays for or practices with Michigan again.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:46 PM ^
Despicable.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:48 PM ^
This is damning. I don't think the guy turned his head towards C'sonte at all. He could have killed him. I understand maintaining an indefinite suspension while the legal situation plays out, but in no way should this guy remain on the team.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:41 PM ^
This was obviously a horrible crime, and the legal situation will play itself out. I, however, hope that after York has served his punishment, if he is contrite, that he gets a second chance.
He sucker-punched a guy. It was an awful decision, but it was made in the moment by a young kid. If he is willing to work his way back onto the team, after the legal system has meted out justice, AND he's been suspended for at least a year, I am okay with it.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:48 PM ^
IMO, this was just too violent of an act against another human that resulted in great bodily harm to justify a 2nd chance - at least at Michigan. If some other program is willing to take a chance on him, so be it. But part of him paying the price for this poor decision needs to be losing his opportunity forever to wear the Maize and Blue.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^
Hoke did give a second chance to Clark after his felony arrest- only missed one game if I remember correctly. Not to mention the Gibson scandal. Hoke lying about his status really turned me off. Saying he was missing a game for a "family issue" when he was actually kicked out of school for rape is pretty low.
So the precendent is there for him to be suiting up again. Of course, some delusional fans will still use this opportunity to take shots at Sparty. He should be kicked off the team, no question. And I'm sure some will argue to let the justice system play out, but look at what Meyer is doing at OSU. Someone there gets in trouble and they're off the team- unless the charges are reduced.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:31 PM ^
would hope that U of M somehow publically separates themselves from Gibbons. Way worse than this punch in my opinion on a number of levels and Michigan's been pretty cowardly about the whole thing. Hell I would contribute money towards any lawsuits involved for that statement.
August 12th, 2014 at 9:33 PM ^
Rod recruit. Its all good.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:31 PM ^
as is always the case.
Nice attempt to distort the facts again.
August 12th, 2014 at 8:24 PM ^
Was reinstated after the charges were reduced, so apparently scholarship levels didn't have anything to do with it. Just so you have your facts straight.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:34 PM ^
Let's be honest, you weren't turned off by Hoke lying about the incident. I'm sure you really wanted Hoke to stand in front of a podium and say "Oh, Gibbons? Yeah, he raped someone so he went home." You were actually turned off because you're not a Michigan fan.
August 12th, 2014 at 6:19 PM ^
Try to be a better human.
August 12th, 2014 at 6:23 PM ^
I see what you're saying, and I don't think those calling for expulsion and dismissal are "wrong," I just disagree, and only slightly.
I'm saying IF the legal system allows York to reduce the charge/sentence--which they are more likely to do if he is truly contrite--and IF he serves his sentence, and IF the university doesn't expel him, and IF Hoke determines that it was just a bad, bad mistake, and IF York works, works, works his way back onto the team, if all of those big "IF"s play out in the kid's favor, he should get a second chance.
If we hadn't seen the video and just heard that York had punched a kid in the face, I seriously doubt we'd all be calling for his head. Yes, he hit the kid hard. Yes, it was an awful decision. But it was a split second decision by a kid who thought his friend might be in danger. I'm not defending York, because I don't know what was/is in his heart, but if he can prove that it was just a bad moment and he's learned his lesson--and that's a lot of hoops to jump through--I'd rather see him graduate from Michigan and play football again and have a positive impact on decisions that other kids might make.
I'm not saying go soft on him, I'm just saying I wouldn't rule out completely the idea of having him back on the team. And you're right, that's just my opinion.
August 12th, 2014 at 9:01 PM ^
pretty difficult to look at the video and see where anyone had to worry about danger except for the victim. Also I disagree that it's only because of the video. The jaw broken in three places shows this was a pretty vicious attack.
August 12th, 2014 at 8:49 PM ^
Why does the legal situation have to play out? Does Hoke not know right from wrong without the legal system making a decision for him.
Hoke can only look like Nuss's placeholder if he does not act now that video has been made public.
If Hoke has seen the video and has only suspended York, the suspending Hoke should also be considered.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:48 PM ^
Sad sad sad. It wasn't even spur of the moment. He lined him up...waited a second..then hit him. Just dumb. Lucky the person he attacked did not get hurt even more.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^
Yeah he needs to be gone. That's gutless.
August 12th, 2014 at 9:59 PM ^
Not that I condone what York did or calling out your comment in particular but I'm confused why people are so anti York getting a second chance and ok with Glasgow playing this year. Driving drunk is a crazy serious thing and more people are killed by drunk drivers than punching. I personally think Glasgow and York should both be done for the year and see how they reform themselves. Just confused by the different responses.
August 13th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^
shows that in situations like this, people typically internalize and personalize the situation.
For me, (and I'm assuming most on this board), there have been a couple times I've driven when I probably should not have. So naturally, people with this experience tend to lighten up on the emotional response to first time offenders when there isn't a victim.
I've never sucker punched another human being.
Victims play a role; there is no face/story to go with the Glasgow DUI b/c he didn't hit, hurt, or kill anyone as far as I know. York put a dude in a hospital and that guy won't eat normally for several weeks and is living life in constant pain.
I'm not totally offended as a citizen by the 1 game suspension for Glasgow, but also would not have been upset if it were 2-3 (b/c again, no victims and he's of age). On the other hand, I'm not totally opposed to a HC telling his players, "You're off the team for this list of infractions..." and some of those being DUI and getting caught on video sucker punching someone.
August 13th, 2014 at 4:03 PM ^
I get that but failing to hit someone while driving drunk doesn't mean it isn't dangerous . I get that this is how the justice system works, if you shoot at someone and miss you get a different punishment than if you hit them. My issue isn't with york being suspended for a year, its with glasgow not being suspended for more than 1 game and the fact that everyone is saying he should have a second chance but York shouldn't. They both made a mistake but one man will have a chance to come back from it and another will not and its not like the mistake glasgow made is less severe, it is more dangerous both to him and society than York. If you had to ask me which person I would want living on my block it would be York.
Really what I'm getting at is I think glasgow deserved a harsher punishment and if you think he deserves a second chance at Michigan than I think York should get one too.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:50 PM ^
Not at all condoning this, it's terrible, but weren't they facing each other? Maybe I'm seeing this wrong.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^
He hit a guy who had his hands in his pockets. Watch the clip, he starts to sneak more to the front of him so he could square up for a punch. Gutless move.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:17 PM ^
To me it looked like they were facing each other.
The article said this:
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Jones told police that as the victim leaned in, which is visible in the video, he said, "You think you're really tough; you guys are some (expletive)."
August 12th, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^
up to a Judge/ jury. It's not like the Ray Rice situation, where the victim didn't cooperate. I'm sure dude with the broken jaw is going to press charges. Let them decide. Hoke made the right call by kicking him off the team for now.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:50 PM ^
Curious as to why this sentence was included at all:
A breath test revealed York had a blood alcohol content of .057, which is below the legal limit to drive.
When 1) York is 20 years old and 2) they fled on foot.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:58 PM ^
Most people have no idea what is considered a high BAC level, so if they say below the legal limit, then they know it was not much to drink.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^
That makes sense.
But the article also said the police didn't catch up with him until like 6 a.m., right? So that number is from at least a few hours after the incident actually occurred, which means he probably was pretty hammered when this happened. I'm not trying to imply anything here, the details are just a little confusing.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^
I think it's relevant insofar as it shows that he was relatively sober. He couldn't blame it on too much to drink. And he was obviously sober enough to throw a hard punch. Reference to the legal limit is so that people can assess his relative sobriety to a standard they understand, I think.
August 12th, 2014 at 2:50 PM ^
He gone.