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October 9th, 2012 at 5:14 AM
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VIDEO: Offense Every Snap and How YouTube Works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Aw8N2LQOqo

Last week in the enhanced UFR thread, everyone who I had been a dick to lined up to take a shot at me, which was fair, but I do want to clarify one point and give a brief (?) introduction to how YouTube works. First, I mentioned that I actually lose money on board embeds not to complain, but to argue that I wasn't being a hypocrite for calling out link spam since links benefit sites while posting embeds goes against my own interest. I think people couldn't see who who I was replying to and the thread became mostly about how I'm stealing other people's property in order to monetize Michigan football video on the internet for my personal gain. That's actually quite hilarious if you know anything about YouTube and copyright.

When you watch a video on YouTube, there are as many as 5 parties involved: 1) YouTube (Google Inc.), 2) Advertisers, 3) Content owners, 4) Media companies like Maker Studios, and 5) Users. Simply put, advertisers pay and Google, content owners and media companies profit. Users, including uploaders, are just tools.

Google does not want to remove copyrighted material from YouTube. All of the resources they provide for content owners are designed to monetize it. The content owners are not who you think they are. Some people took it as arrogance when I LOLed at the suggestion of reporting mgovideo to ABC/ESPN, BTN, Fox, NBC, the Big Ten, the university and the NCAA. I was LOLing because I know that none of these organizations directly monitor their content on YouTube. Reporting a YouTube video to the NCAA is tantamount to calling in a noise complaint to Interpol.

The content owners of college football game footage on YouTube are licensing agents. As soon as a video starts getting enough views to generate ad revenue in excess of about 50 cents, content owners swoop in to file copyright claims and grab the revenue. They are not required to provide any documentation. This creates an environment of false claims in which the SEC's content owner claims an episode of Inside Michigan football, the BTN deletes Brian's channel of mostly ABC/ESPN footage, ABC/ESPN monetizes BTN documentaries, a movie studio earns revenue from one of my videos that consists mostly of Denard and Kate Upton animated gifs and so on. Users can dispute copyright claims but all content owners have to do to reject a disputed claim is click a button. In my experience, they're pretty good at clicking buttons. On rare occasions, a video like Don Criqui BOOM Denard'd goes unnoticed by content owners (there's nothing in the title or description that they'd be searching for) and maybe I pay for my site's VPS, the electricity for my seedbox or a new hard drive to store games. If I'm a crook, I'm not a very good one.

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October 9th, 2012 at 6:55 AM
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I called you a dick in the other thread

I called you a dick in the other thread, and I still think you were unnecessarily mean to WolverineBlue.  However, the mgocommunity and I do owe you a big thank you for putting up these great videos each week.  Keep up the good work.

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October 9th, 2012 at 7:08 AM
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I can see how you would think

I can see how you would think I was unnecessarily mean if you thought we only knew each other through the board. That wasn't the case. It's telling that nobody negged my post until he created another thread to call attention to it.

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:43 AM
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Get Over Yourself

 

For the record, I never bashed you once in your tiff about Enhanced UFRs (not that you said I did...just want to make it clearly I truly had no opinion on the matter) and how you lose money and blah blah blah...but for you to continue to harp on how great you are at what you do is annoying as FUCK.

Just shut up and keep providing the goods. We're all appreciative, we all enjoy what you do, we all think you're good at it...we don't need you to tell us over and over.

 

 

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October 9th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
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Get Over Yourself

 

For the record, I never bashed you once in your tiff about Enhanced UFRs (not that you said I did...just want to make it clearly I truly had no opinion on the matter) and how you lose money and blah blah blah...but for you to continue to harp on how great you are at what you do is annoying as FUCK.

Just shut up and keep providing the goods. We're all appreciative, we all enjoy what you do, we all think you're good at it...we don't need you to tell us over and over.

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:29 PM
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And you are the reason we

And you are the reason we need to bring real negs back.  It doesn't make you cool that you can capitalize cuss words.

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October 9th, 2012 at 7:06 AM
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Keep posting dude..

I like the videos.. Haters gonna hate.. I'm sure the number of people who like these, far outnumber the haters..Thanks for posting.

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October 9th, 2012 at 7:07 AM
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Two points -- That was a

Two points --

  1. That was a damn interesting post, and
  2. "Reporting a YouTube video to the NCAA is tantamount to calling in a noise complaint to Interpol." ... I near spit coffee onto my laptop over that. :-)

 

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:13 AM
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Trying to imagine

Trying to imagine circumstances under which the words "tantamount" and "Interpol" would be used correctly and in context at RCMB...

Head in process of asploding...

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:23 AM
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I'll give it a shot.

Check out the tantamounts on this Columbian hottie. She can work my Interpol anytime. <smiley emoticon> <winking emoticon> <thumbs up emoticon> . GHOLSTON IS GUNNA KILL DETARD AND THE REST OF THE scUM LOSERS!!!! 

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:21 AM
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El Jeffe liked this.

El Jeffe liked this.

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:22 AM
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You win the thread.  

You win the thread.  

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October 9th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
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You either have a very

You either have a very creative imagination or you are drunk.  It's the only way I can imagine someone imitating RCMB so well.

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October 9th, 2012 at 7:14 AM
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Do the intricacies really

Do the intricacies really matter? You were complaining about losing revenue for ESPN/ABC's material.  I don't really care about the technical details of how material owners can and can't claim their copywright.  Just because it is hard for someone to claim what's rightfully there's doesn't mean you should steal it.

Now I'm going to go download a movie using BitTorrent.

(Seriously, I don't care that people re-distribute material that's not theirs, but to complain about losing revenue on material that's not yours?)

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October 9th, 2012 at 7:23 AM
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What part of "I was not

What part of "I was not complaining" do you not understand? If I didn't want to lose money on board embeds, couldn't I just stop posting them? I always hated Owl until he posted this:

Actually, I think his argument is sound. As I understand it, his argument is:

1) I am a hypocrite if and only if my actions were qualitatively similar to his.

2) It is not the case that my actions were qualitatively similar to his. Therefore, I am not a hypocrite.

Looks sound to me. I guess you could argue with 2), but Thorin's point is that it's different because he isn't linking to his own website (and, on the contrary, is acting in a manner contrary to his own interests). I don't think he was being a hypocrite. I DO think he was being a dick though, and the soundness of this argument does nothing to address that at all.

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:34 AM
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I haz a sad

"I always hated owl"

Haha, wow. Had no idea. It's cool though, I suspect you're not the only one.

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:47 AM
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WHO?

WHO??

/I'll be here all night.

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:41 AM
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MIKE JONES

MIKE JONES

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:50 AM
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Thorin
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Please post something to make

Please post something to make me hate you again. With you as my wingman, I foresee many more meltdowns.

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:00 AM
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Umm, well.... North Korea is

Umm, well.... North Korea is best Korea...?

You do live in South Korea, right?   

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:10 AM
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Thorin
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I live in the Republic of

I live in the Republic of Korea. I hate you for not knowing the official name of the country that gave you Gangnam Style. Go to hell you nocturnal strigiform beast.

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:26 AM
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Thorin is that you?

Thorin is that you?

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:42 AM
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Yes, that's me masturbating

Yes, that's me masturbating stage left. To your avatar.

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:43 AM
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well played

well played

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:00 AM
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...and wife.... awkward, but

...and wife....

awkward, but hey that's a compliment in my book.

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:03 AM
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Some people are into that

Some people are into that sort of thing...

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:13 AM
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  COORDINATES + TOTAL

 

COORDINATES +
TOTAL DISTANCE

 

South Korea, KS 127.5000
37.0000
United States, US -104.9840
39.7392
Miles: 6171.55
Kilometers: 9931.88
Bearing: NW

Thank God........

 

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October 9th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
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Man, Kansas is a lot farther

Man, Kansas is a lot farther away from the U.S. than I would have imagined.

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:14 AM
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October 9th, 2012 at 7:23 AM
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I love these videos every

I love these videos every week more than the full game,  Looking forward to them every week.  Thanks.  As well as Inside Michigan Footbal episodes for those that don't live in Michigan that have access to Fox Detroit every week.   I appreciate it!

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:02 AM
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seconded

How else can you watch a full (albeit fragmented) game in 20+ minutes?

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:05 AM
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Inside Michigan Football post-Purdue

This is an example of blatant thievery. I guess I've become cynical given the environment I've described above. I also think it's BS, especially with how commercialized IMF is, that nobody outside of Michigan has any free way of watching it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icUgSgf34AQ

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October 9th, 2012 at 7:39 AM
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Pardon my ignorance on the

Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but are you suggesting that ANYONE can stake a licensing claim to any and all video FOOTAGE so long as they're the quickest to make the claim?



I am confuzzled.

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October 9th, 2012 at 7:58 AM
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No, individual users can't

No, individual users can't file copyright claims. You have to be a YouTube verified content owner. I have no idea how their verification process works, but if you want to make money on YouTube, you should definitely look into it.

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:57 AM
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my god

it's the wild west! there's no rules!

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:51 AM
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put your shirt back on

There's one rule!

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:57 AM
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oh yeah?

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:11 AM
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I don't understand any of

I don't understand any of this, but

  1. If Thorin is wrong, I don't wanna be right, and
  2. I'm not sure if you're the man to see about the Purdue torrent, but I could sure haz one?
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October 9th, 2012 at 8:38 AM
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Torrent

In this case, I am The Man:

http://mgovideo.com/tracker.php?page=torrent-details&id=2e5522cd9c8d9f1dc99ee75e2f399b2295be5b0b

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:15 AM
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tl;dr

I think these videos are extremely helpful and I for one appreciate the ability to do amateur analysis without watching the entire game again. 

Example one: in the "what's up with Fitz" thread, someone said that Purdue was putting 8 in the box to stop the tailback which is why Denard was able to have great success in running the ball.  As evidence, they cited the fact that when Denard pulled the ball on several read options, Fitz was getting crashed by several Purdue players.  Except in maybe one instance, I did not see this explanation backed up by the video.  I remain "worried about Fitz".

Thorin;  chill on the defnsive explanations;  I doubt anyone cares at this point except you.

 

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:24 AM
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Yeah, I know I'm mostly

Yeah, I know I'm mostly talking to myself and this is definitely my last word on the subject, but there are a few users (I'm thinking of M-Wolverine) who I feel like I need to explain myself to.

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:49 AM
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archangel2k12
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Thank you Thorin...3 quick things...

I appreciate you.  I lol'd along with you in the UFR thread.  You just can't make everyone happy.  

Speaking of which, my kids and I are not looking forward to you dying at the end of the Battle of Five Armies.

Did you happen to catch the "Big 10 Elite" special on the '97 Wolverines that aired Saturday night on BTN?

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
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M-Wolverine is usually a

M-Wolverine is usually a dick. I don't really get into any heated arguments with anyone, but he's always been one that rubbed me the wrong way

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:26 AM
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Vive la MGoVideo

Damn the man.  Save the Empire.  Vive la MGoVideo.

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October 9th, 2012 at 8:49 AM
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I didn't see the other

I didn't see the other thread, but I just wanted you to know I'm very appreciative of these videos, boo*.  You can link to your site, you can embed it, I'm just hoongry for videos!

*I thought we were on a 'boo' basis, but if we're not, I can wait it out, if it's not already too awkard.

 

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
#46
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Dude you do a good job, don't

Dude you do a good job, don't worry about what anyone else thinks. Or if you are worried we could get the baseball bats and go club some baby seals. 

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:41 AM
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Threadjack:

I was just sitting here at my desk, thinking about when you used to come across a post in a thread that was +50 or -56. I miss those days. Why did Brian decide to change the format of upvoting posts? BRING IT BACK puleeZe

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:52 AM
(Reply to #34) #48
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The -56 one was me, I'm sure.

The -56 one was me, I'm sure.

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:56 AM
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Darker Blue
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But the +50 was you also

 In the same post on the same thread. Magnus get it together. 

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
(Reply to #39) #50
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I'm a very polarizing figure.

I'm a very polarizing figure.

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:05 AM
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True dat

You're also very magnetic, I feel myself being pulled toward you right now. 

 

SIDENOTE: Does flamebait say anything that -30 can't say? Flamebait is offensive, but -30 is a reason to be proud. BRING IT BACK. 

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:16 AM
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So totally agree (this might

So totally agree (this might be a first for us AJJ). FWIW I asked Brian how much it would cost to bring it back.  I told him I was willing to help pay for it if cost was a problem

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:19 AM
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Darker Blue
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See

You and I aren't that different..........

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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Sympatico!

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October 9th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
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I'm willing to donate all of

I'm willing to donate all of my YouTube money to get Heiko a TV bigger than Ace's if he can convince Brian to bring back real pos/neg bangs.

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October 9th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
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I agree with your sidenote. I

I agree with your sidenote. I don't care about a quantatative figure that tells me how much people enjoy me, but I always got a good chuckle seeing exactly how many people I piss off. Posbang threads are pointless now, too. I don't even bother looking at those anymore, but the first few were absolutely outstanding and brought me great joy.

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October 9th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
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We lost it after the Malware

We lost it after the Malware attack couple years ago.  Those were the golden ages of mgoblog.

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October 9th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
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MGlobules
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Meanwhile, back at the game. . .

Hoke is right: Fitz really didn't play badly; just wasn't anything much there. Also, Denard had a wonderful game. 

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October 9th, 2012 at 5:20 PM
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No joke. I just watched and

No joke. I just watched and really did not see any opportunities for him at all.

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October 9th, 2012 at 9:20 PM
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will there be a defensive

will there be a defensive every snap video vs Purdue?

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