I think you all will find this encouraging!
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I think you all will find this encouraging!
It is encouraging but...
did we hire RR to run a pro-style offense?
we didn't hire him to have steve threet and nick sheridan running read options either... you can ease into a change, believe it or not.
No, but when he got here, he clearly didn;t have the pieces necessary to run the spread. Rather than try to introduce his spread slowly, he tried to "fit the square peg into the round hole" and impliment the spread immediately, effectively throwing the 2008 season away.
When RR was hired, people immediately voiced this concern, and many said that "RR will mold his spread to suit his talent." I think that RR even said it in some of his early interviews. This is clearly not what he did, and the result of it was that the 2008 season was so bad that he never recovered.
year two progress for the sake of year one's offense which had basically zero playing experience and was going to suck no matter what offense they ran. Brilliant are you DB.
have transitioned slowly with the players he had while continuing to recruit the players he wanted? That's a weak load of shit of an excuse.
I'm sure if he had inherited a talented (or at least capable) pocket passer, he probably would've molded the offense around him, and eased into that transition. I remember everyone citing how much he threw the ball with Sean King at the helm, which proves he will throw when that is the best option. In reality, he probably looked around and saw what he had in walk-on Nick Sheridan competing with RS freshmen Steve Threet, and said ef' it, let's get this show on the road.
The results were painful, but it was probably the right move, considering that neither of those guys was going to lead an offense capable of competing at the top of the Big 10 anyway.
RR was not the head coach at Tulane. We don't know if that offense was purely his idea, or some compromise between him and the HC.
Everywhere he's been the HC (Glenville, WVU, Michigan), he's run essentially the same spread offense, with the only real difference being the number of running plays he's called for the QB.
problem is, he had very little talent to work with.
Had Mallett and Manningham come back, you might have seen more of a compromise in scheme, which would make sense given the world of talent those two brought to the table.
With Threet & Sheridan, um, he had basically nothing to work with. I emphatically support his decision to implement the spread right off the bat. Why not? It's not like either Threet or Sheridan have been superstars in pass oriented pro-style offenses. I had the pleasure of watching THreet live this year against Cal. same old mechanical issues, poor accuracy and terribly decisionmaking. I thought he looked more competent running the spread, to be honest.
Hoke's inheriting a MUCH better situation, talent-wise. It makes a lot of sense for him and Borges to orient their offense to the existing talent. It's not like they are starting over with freshmen and backups on the roster. It's essentially fully-stocked. If they want to run a different scheme in the long-run, that will start with next year's recruiting class.
No, we certainly didn't. Regardless, I still think he could have made a couple better concessions as to how he ran the offense when Threet and Sheridan were starting. We lost to Toledo for Pete's sake.
loaded with returning talent we lost to Appy State. Which is worse? If Threet actually throws the damn ball when he was supposed to M is up 7-0 instead of watching it go 100 yards the other way.
The "We lost to App State!" retort has become the "Mike Hart was a 3-star so they mean nothing" of coaching arguments. Losing to App State was an outlier. Losing to Toledo really wasn't.
The article was posted at 1 AM. The thread was put up at 1:33 AM. 33 minutes. You're gonna have to do a little better than 13 hours my friend.
I slept...plus I did not see that it was ever posted.
That he should have run a pro-set offense with Nick Sheridan and Steven Threet, I suppose?
Arizona State's Dennis Erickson would like to talk to you about 5-6 and interception ratios.
5-6 > 3-9 though...
Yep, and I'd be willing to bet recruiting is a little easier after 5-6 than it is after 3-9. Better recruiting changes everything.
adapting might of givin RR a few more wins a maybe some more time..
Which I still think is worse than App State
The Horror was worse. RR wasn't fielding an NFL talent laiden team coming off a potential national championship season. LLoyd's team was also very, very healthy starters. The Toledo loss team was mostly 3rd stringers.
Time to move on.
Sorry to Hijack this thread... Just wanted to let you all know it's confirmed: HARBAUGH to 49ers!! FML!!!!1!`1Q!!1!!
Who is DB going to find at this point???
I'd prefer he rushes and throws for a gazillion yards. The one-man offense is just so dang fun to watch!
Proposal for new offence: Slap WR numbers on the 2nd-string o-line. Line them up as 5 TE's. Run Denard 70 times behind the Maize and Blue curtain. Win game and set NCAA record for time of possession and average weight of starters.
So forgot to add "after scoring TD, Robinson starts Swing dancing with the UM or opposing cheerleaders and the 5 UM TEs in the end zone".
This is my favorite part:
Denard is 6-feet tall, like Michael Vick. He can run and he can throw and make things happen. If Michael Vick can do that with the Philadelphia Eagles, why can't Denard Robinson do that at Michigan?
This is only going to helop take Denard to the next level.
One of RR's puzzling statement was contending that Denard could handle 29 carries a game. I hope he throws more and carries the ball around 10 times a game. We have a fleet of RB's let's use them.
From your lips to Fred Jackson's....errr....I mean God......errr.....I mean Fred.....
Heck with it. Same thing.
It has nothing to do with Denard's toughness...the fact is Beanie Wells had 207 carries his junior year, which is less than 20 a game!
Any running back will wear down if you run them 30 times a game, Denard is no different. AND he's a qb
Chris Perry would like to have a word with you.
That said, your point is well taken that having Denard run less would likely be better for his health.
338 carries in 13 games amounts to 26 carries a game. Yeah, he had the one insane 51-carry game but otherwise averaged fewer than 24 a game.
All that is beside the point, anyway. A tailback only needs to be healthy enough to carry the ball. A quarterback needs to be healthy enough to carry the ball and throw it with accuracy and speed. He's got to protect his upper body more than a tailback does. You probably don't want a QB to get tailback-levels of carries.
Are there any Eagles Football fanatics on here who would like to do a diary on the Eagles offense this year for those of us who didn't see many games? How did it work, what was awesome/failures, what pieces other than Vic seemed inexpendible?
For gods sake, he said they will run a hybrid pro-set tailored for Denard. Let them run it and see what happens.
As far as the negativity on here, especially by Brian, man up and lets get behind these guys.
You can only whine so much before your audience gets jaded, dude.
thing that Denard needs to improve on is reading defenses and coming back to third and fourth options when the other two are not there. I am not convinced at all that he cannot do it. In Rich Rod's spread, true the offense was built around what Denard does best, but I don't think we have seen whether he can really read defensive converages to pass when the situation mandates. He certainly got a healthy dose of reading defensive ends, but I feel like he was responsible for so much before it was even time to check down and make a proper read that he was mind-f#%ked by the time he actually had to react to a defense in the pocket. Can he be effective in a pro-style set, I really don't think we have a shread of evidence suggesting one way or the other, but I for one can't wait to find out.
Now, first thing first, taking a snap in the eye formation without a sole shattering fumble on the QB-Center exchange. He seems to struggle with that at time.
Denard to pass more - it is vital that Michigan hire a very solid QB coach! To my knowledge that position has not been filled yet......I could be mistaken though
Borges runs a west coast style offense and talked about Mike Vick's role in the Eagles offense. I think that's a good comparision because the Eagles continue to run the west coast offense with Vick. Here's Vick's stats for this year.
Notice the remarkable consistency in rushing attempts. Every game, Vick would average between 8-11 rush attempts, with zero deviation. I believe that's a bit too low for Denard given his running ability, but adapting the scheme to allow 12-15 rush attempts for Denard while still incorporating the west coast offense would be a nice compromise. Plus, I think it's a good sell to tell Denard that an improved passing game means he can be a high level QB in the NFL.