The same can't be said for redshirt junior receiver Junior Hemingway and redshirt sophomore linebacker Kenny Demens. Both have yet to be cleared by doctors after suffering their own concussion-type symptoms.
It looks somewhat bleak for junior receiver Darryl Stonum, who was carted from the field Saturday after suffering an ankle injury, and redshirt freshman receiver/return man Jeremy Gallon, who suffered a shoulder injury on a kick return, but Rodriguez wouldn't count either out
V Smith and Death Roh cleared to play Saturday
Unreal... the bad news far outweighs the good news if this holds true.
OP forgot to mention Lewan is also cleared.
It'll be a one in a million shot. But right now that is one more shot than we will have on Sunday. Go Blue!
There's a chance...
Never post that "When Harry Met Lloyd" shit around here ever again.
That movie does not exist to me.
I take offense to this picture being posted
I also take offense to this picture being posted. I feel like my childhood has been disrespected.
Shittiest movie ever I can't believe you posted that shit like it was funny. Shit.
I actually met a person that preferred the non-existant movie over the original. I about dong-punched myself.
Is that.....Lloyd Brady?!
But yeah, it's gonna be totally Rodriguez's fault if we lose Saturday.
Rich Rodriguez has very very little to do with michigan football
nothing is his fault
except all the good things which happen...he is responsible for that
but if it is bad or even neutral its not his fault
yes, he has had a bit of bad luck...but enough already
isn't this supposed to be the one game of the year where we throw out the record books?
it doesn't matter who is lining up, as long as they have wings on their helmets they have a chance to beat OSU?
Dude, true freshmen. How hard is that to figure out? It isn't an excuse. It is a reason.
18 year olds coached by Dan the In school suspension teacher last year... now they are playing against TP and the gang of uglies. Have some sense.
his record is his record
anything you say about it is an explanation of why, but the buck stops at the head coach
shortage of players, bad systems, bare cupboard etc.
Say what you will about the tenets of a base 4-3, Dude, but at least it's an ethos.
The buck stops at the head coach? Dorsey didn't get in! The best CB in the class wanted to come here and didn't get in. The recruiting was a fucking WIN! Witty (who started for Cinci this year as a true freshman) also wanted to come here and wasn't let in. Those are both huge recruiting wins, head coaching wins! There is no way that any of the injuries or non acceptences are RRs fault. None.
That is so fucking stupid.
Wrong. They are communications failures from Admissions to the Athletic Dept.
If a kid commits here then the coaching staff has doen all it can. Do you think they would go after a kid they know couldn't be admitted?
did the admissions dept. change their standards? if so then its on them
I have not seen anything to support that claim,
I doubt I ever will see the kids tests scores as it is none of my business
I am surprised you don't know this, but Dorsey went to a school that was not up to snuff with the admissions dept. His grades were fine. There was a question about whether those grades were earned or given at this particular school which was not the same school where he played ball. That is not on the coach as it is (I assume) not a normal situation.
Let's be honest here. Dorsey had all kinds of red flags attached and we chose to recruit him anyway. We simply shouldn't have pursued him at all.
thats your example?
It was my understanding we got him b/c a ton of other schools started to back away b/c of the academic stuff
How dare RR not go to class with Dorsey every day to make sure he was good academically. And how dare he break Woolfolk's ankle. And how dare let the MSU player cut Martin down....
Wait, what? How are nonacceptances not partially on the coach? Isn't it a coach's obligation to recruit players who are academically qualified, and at least have backup plans in place if he's taking a gamble on borderline student-athletes?
I don't want to do this, I don't want to do this, I don't want to do this . . . but I must. Some coaches have managed to recruit talented players at schools that have even higher academic standards than Michigan.
(ducks and struggles to avoid rotten fruit being thrown at him).
I DON'T WANT RICH ROD FIRED, REALLY! STOP THROWING FRUIT!
A) Read above.
B) There is no back-up plan for a top CB in a class not being admitted. For all RR knew he had the best CB in a class wrapped up. Believe it or not we don't have the top 5 CBs planning on coming here and just waiting until the #1 guy isn't admitted. I know, hard to believe.
in the country to come and play here. It is such a simple thing the SEC has even mastered it.
I think it's been well documented that our admissions and compliance staff was lacking the last however many years. Miscommunications between the athletic department and admissions can not be wholly lumped onto a pile of blame laying at Rrod's feet.
If i was a football coach at a major university i would have enough things on my plate besides tracking the gpa's and test scores of literally 1000's of kids that i'm breaking down and recruiting. I'd have to delegate that to my admissions staff and trust them to properly do their jobs.
I'd have to delegate that to my admissions staff and trust them to properly do their jobs.
and when you delegate and the people you have entrusted to do the work fail...what happens? who is to blame?
For people like you who have an axe to grind it is to whomever you want it to be. Facts be damned. Not surprising really. For most people, once the facts are visible, the blame can be properly delegated. But for people like you nothing will ever change your mind. Not even facts.
The people that are gone/leaving as DB cleans house?
Miscommunications between the athletic department and admissions can not be wholly lumped onto a pile of blame laying at Rrod's feet.
Which is why I said only that recruiting ineligible players is partially on the coach.
left out the part where he was working to get in to Michigan. That part had to conclude before the admissions department could finish their evaluation. Since it had been completed when he applied to Louisville, they also had it available.
I think what people are basically saying is that baring clear systemic collapse, you are f*!#ing crazy to fire a coach after 3 years. Our recruiting hasn't collapsed, our season records aren't backsliding, we are finally facing a winning season, calm down. Yes, our defense is a disaster, but our coach's first real recruiting class are now only sophmores and even on the defensive side of the ball, a lot of them still show a great deal of potential for being that young and recruited during losing seasons. The skematics and defensive development is lacking, and hopefully a coaching change can turn that around and an increased focus on recruiting will hopefully start loading up the potential for a dynasty. If not, then when we are looking for a new coach they will at least know they have reasonable expectations to live up to.
So let me get this straight..... you seem to imply that concussions are now RRs fault? Pull it together man, your acting like an OSU Alumni.
And yes, in theory the rivalry shouldnt matter who wear the uniform, but lets be honest, unless our offense is firing on all cylinders without Demens our D is toast.
everything that goes wrong is somehow out of his control
I am not blaming him for concussions, I am just saying we can probably end the Rich Rod is totally blameless when it comes to anything that is the tiniest bit negative
I've yet to see anyone make that argument except you. You're arguing against yourself at this point. People have called out the defense and RR's handling of it hundreds of times on this board.
You can throw out the record books but keep the injury report. That is important.
guuuuuuuuuuh. hemingway AND stonum??? geez.
Who's left to play outside receiver if Stonum and Hemingway can't play?
Come on down.
Seth Broekhuizen for one
I think Jeremy Jackson saw a few snaps on the field Saturday towards the end of the game...
He made a catch in garbage time
He made TWO catches in garbage time!
move Roundtree outside and bring in Grady/T. Rob to play slot.
we've got a chance ... alright then ... I read ya!
Hail, Hail ...
I don't know how Vincent is going to play in this game. He got absolutely plowed (made the block), but I've never seen someone so woozy after a big hit. That was scary as hell watching him try to make it back to the bench and seeing him faceplant.
He must have a superhuman skull.
I'm glad he is ok, and I am delighted for both of them that they will be able to play.
great. i've never been so apathetic before the game.
We have had SO many injuries this year. I was calling them bad luck for so long....but how many does it take to make the "bad luck" turn to blaming the S&C coaches....
I'm trying to figure out what Barwis & Co. could do to prevent concussion "like" injuries. Also, I don't care how strong you are, if a joint gets hit just right, there's going to be an injury.
But, I forgot- the earthquake in Haiti and North Korea shelling the South are also RR's fault.
Concussions are a totally different thing. I'm not including concussion like symptoms. However, all the other things over the past 3 years. There has been a lot more injuries in the last 3 years than lets say 10 years ago. I'm not blaming barwis and co(yet, i merely asked how many does it take to blame them), but there is definitely a correlation. That does NOT mean causation though.....
Can you back that claim up with anything other than your "general sense" of what has happened? I get the sense that you can't because that claim is just plain ludicrous.
It is clearly Barwis' fault. As the head coach, RR shares some blame. Didn't his wife feed them once too? We should have the papers question her.
Mike Hart, Chad Henne and Jake Long were all fully healthy their 4 years here. People are such fucking idiots I can hardly fucking breathe anymore without yelling. Do you remember 05 and the main reason we were 7-5? How about the reason why Henne even started in 04 was because our starting qb blew out his shoulder before we even played a game and on and on and on and on Anonio Bass's career, Cory Zirbel's career etc.... Yeah we never had bad luck with injuries before Barwis arrived.
What does Barwis have to do with kids having concussion-like symptoms? Or breaking bones as has been the case on several occasions. If we had tons of guys out with pulled hamstrings, that would be one thing, but this is not the S&C coaches.
He should just force them to drink whole milk between sets
I was calling them bad luck for so long....but how many does it take to make the "bad luck" turn to blaming the S&C coaches....
I have read a bunch of really stupid things form our fanbase, but this is the most stupid thing I have ever read from any of them. Blame someone for anything because you can't go to your friends and brag about a team of young men that never owed you shit anyway. It has been written above, but it begs to be written again: HOW IN THE NAME OF FUCK IS A S&C COACH SUPPOSED TO TRAIN HIS PLAYERS NOT TO GET CONCUSSIONS?!?! I am so surprised you have the mental capacity to type on a keyboard. I hope you are 12 years old for the rest of our sake. I mean if you have a vote for president I should just end it all right now and get it over with. After reading this you make Hunter S. Thompsons suicide make sense. You have truly opened my eyes to how misinformed people can be.
My keyboard appears to be broken, it will not let me give you more than one point. Grrrr.
know that you can do exercises to strengthen your skull to protect your brain? What world are u living in
I think the concussions Michigan got this season are just by chance and could not have been prevented personally. But I did find this which is the first link I found when googling to answer your question:
Even though head-on helmet-to-helmet hits are flagged, helmets are still smacking on many plays. S&C coaches could probably teach kids to stay away from the head and tackle the body more and make sure to teach kids to be avoidant of others' helmets when getting tackled. Maybe that seems like tackling techniques that belong to off/def coaches, but the S&C coaches should work with them on that. And also, never ever ever let your head hit the ground especially when landing backwards. Really instill fear into the players about hurting their heads. It wouldn't hurt is the way I see it and I believe they are already doing it. You know, just be more defensive about your body. Just like when driving - accidents are often the other's person's fault but that doesn't prevent some people from being absolutely paranoid and unbelievably defensive to anticipate and avoid other people's mistakes.
Easier said than done when 12 helmets are converging on one player and M may be doing all it can so I think it was random this year. And also, if you look around 5 times before catching the ball, chances are you won't be catching the ball. But I do think there is probably some better training than the crap I listed here in 2 min.
In addition to a +1, IOU 5 +1's, to be doled out in future posts for this phenomenally excellent rant.
So we are down 3 starting WR....Great...Stonum, Hemmingway, Odoms....awesome.
It's still only Wednesday, they've got a couple days to get anyone else back going, we could really use Demens and one of those 2 wide receivers...
Seeing Smith stagger to the Block M at midfield and fall down last week was scary. I definitely did not expect him to get clearence to play this week. I'm glad he's gonna be out there.
Honestly I would like Vincent to sit this one out. How can he be fine after he took that shot last week. It was uneasy to say the least. Sit it out for your long term health.
When did Hemmingway get banged up? I dont recall....First im not even gonna get into the Gallon failure as a Kick Returner...but why is our starting WR returning kicks? There is no one else that can return kicks? DILEO? Stonum would not have gotten injured to begin with.
You think we shouldn't have starting players return kicks? Remember Charles Woodson? KR can be huge. It's a chance to get the ball to your playmakers.
Dileo was on the field with Stonum soo......
I have a hard time believing Smith will play the dude took a huge lick to the head. He was sideways trying to get off the field. I think they need to be very careful with him.
Everything we have seen from RR to this point shows that if V Smith isn't 100% cleared by the medical staff to play RR will sit him out. I can't say the same thing for most coaches, but RR will make the decision based on the players best interest and not his own.
Sometimes I wonder if athletes like V Smith are able to "fool" the concussion test because their reflexes are so quick. The basic test is to move a finger or pen around in front of their face and have them follow it with their eyes. If the movements are smooth and they follow it around OK, they are deemed to not have PCS symptoms. If the eye movements are delayed and jerky, they are deemed to have PCS symptoms.
I have to wonder if it is possible for a person with very fast reflexes, ala Ali, an NHL goalie, or some football players who make their careers on fast reaction times, are able to test "borderline" and get approved by the medical staffs, while actually still having a concussion?
Hopefully, that is not the case with V Smith, but maybe a more definitive concussion test for all athletes, especially in contact sports, is warranted. Maybe athletes should have to "pass," for example, a SPECT series geared to concussion detection before being approved to play.
I'm pretty sure at a place with the medical reputation like Michigan that they are doing tests a little more advanced than the pen and eye test. Hell, my small high school had a much more complicated concussion test system. Players had to take the concussion test at the beginning of the year when they had no problems. After a concussion was thought to have occured the players had to take the test again. If there was a drop off in scores than the player received treatment and had to retake the test every day until they finished with scores close to their original test.
Dr. Roh had already cleared himself to play, no news there, Beat The Bucks.
Our injury report is going to be 13 pages, double-sided, and single-spaced this week.
Starters out on D: both CBs, MLB
D starters hobbled/might play: NT, DE, OLB
Starters out on O: 1 RB (at least), 4 WR/Slots
O starters hobbled/might play: 2 RBs (at least), LT, RT, QB
This doesn't even get into backups. But wait, RR has to use this team to win against a top 5 team on the road in order to save his job, according to some. Sounds reasonable to me!
When did Demens and Hemingeway get concussed? Goddamit...
Will Toussaint be able to play? I really want to see what he can do against a big team. What has he had, three carries this year? They'll never suspect him of anything!
you are talking about clear exceptions to the rule while freshmen starters on this team are the norm. If you are going to try and rev up the fire RR wagon, at least try and find something that doesn't make you sound completely unreasonable.
Those players you mention were once a decade types. None even played together let alone were all freshmen at the same time. To argue that RR should succeed playing as many freshmen as he is simply because 5 started here over a 20 year span and did pretty good, is beyond insane.
Anyone who wants that number 1 jersey like he does will do everything he can to come back.
You can see on the tape where Roh got blindsided on a helmut to helmut hit by a second olineman then fell on his head on a chop block. Heard that he had no memory of the last two drives he played in the first half.
Helmut = Helmuth = Vince, former Michigan fullback who wore a helmet.
Go Blue. Beat OSU
It's an all hands on deck situation for this game.
fire tony dews! how could he let 2 of our best wide receivers get hurt? this is UNACCEPTABLE
This "freshman" stuff is a reason we are so bad, but at what point are we going to put some of that blame on RR? Most of the attrition really wasn't his fault, but come on. We couldn't keep Vlad or Turner?
Why would we want to keep a guy with a seemingly permanent injury and a guy who apparently couldn't get himself into football shape?
Yeah, depth would be nice right now, but no one could have predicted the injury debacle we have today.
Colorado and West Virginia apparently didn't have a problem with their shortcomings. Look, I think even RR himself would agree that the staff has probably made some mistakes in recruiting and player management. Some transfers are inevitable, but when you lose guys at positions at which you have little depth, something's amiss.
Turner is now on his way to Notre Dame of Ohio or someplace like that so maybe WVU did have problem with his shortcomings.
Players are not mindless automatons. If a player wants to leave, he leaves. There are players who could be begged on one knee by the coach to stay who would take off.
Wow - I'm surprised Smith is cleared, given how dazed he was. But Hemingway? When did that happen?
Rogers is Lloyd Carr's recruit.
Most of Lloyd's freshmen weren't Henne, Hall, Law, or Woodson either.
Freshmen do NOT play all the time at Michigan in the grand scheme of numbers. Of those who DO play, they used to play BECAUSE they played well. Now there's no depth, but of course that's Rod's fault and ONLY his fault according to you.
I'm enjoying your wisdom. Please do share more.
is good news. I'd hate for Roh to miss out on the stuffed animal ticklefest
Why are we seeing so many concussions this year? Have we recently changed helmet manufacturers or designs?
We've recently been able to better diagnose players with concussions and concussion-like symptoms, and this staff has held them out, which is more that can be said for some others.
If Stonum and Hemingway both are not cleared to play, but Smith is, I'd expect to see Roy and Kelvin work the outside, with Smith working the slot, and Fitz as the back. No matter what, Jackson, Stokes, and TRob will see a lot more playing time this week.
a chance that any not cleared will play/be cleared?
On the topic of concussions and concussion like symptoms it could be a result of just having a lower threshold for what counts than what it was in the past. With what's been going on in the NFL and all the media coverage regarding concussions in football it wouldn't surprise me.