I was arguing with a ND friend about which game was better. Obviously, I'm arguing that UTL was better. My ND friend thinks that USC-ND '05 was better. Am I still caught up in the moment or is the ND fan just bitter? What do you guys think? Anything I should be pointing out to him to prove the point?
UTL vs. USC-ND '05. Which was better?
In terms of quality of play? It's not even close. That was not a good football game. In terms of entertainment? Pretty good argument to be made and I'm biased.
To an ND fan, the 2005 USC-ND game should be bigger. ND that year was a top-10 BCS bowl team and USC was the National Champion.
The 2011 ND-UM game was between 2 unranked teams neither likely to win the national championship.
The ’05 USC-ND game also featured
that year’s Heisman winner Reggie Bush.
Notre Dame was not a top ten team in 2005. They were a poser top 10 team that got 9 wins over 9 opponents who didn't finish better than 7-5. But because they were Notre Dame, they got the BCS invite anyway where they were eventually killed by OSU.
But I agree that the 05 USC game was most likely bigger to them. Not that I care. Both games ended in complete heartbreak for their fans and that's all that matters.
He's saying it's abetted game because he still gets to complain about the bush push and can use it as an excuse.
You were probably just caught up in the moment.
As above posters have stated...the USC-ND '05 game was a top 10 BCS ND team against a N.C. USC team and the Mich-ND game was two unranked opponents. The only person thinking one of those teams (Notre Dame) is a BCS contender is Lou Holtz and he is...well...I'm not going to say what I truly think on this post because this is my first post.
The UTL game was truly a classic game only because of the amazing 4th quarter comeback and it being the first true night game at Mich. Unfortunately, it's a 7 game win ND team (yes I'm being generous) and a 9+ win Mich team (yes I just went there).
Your ND friend can ride the heisman Reggie Bush train all he wants. IMHO money and recieved benefits have nothing to do with his academic performance that year. If he was taking HGH or steroids than yes you can discredit his performance entirely.
But why even care about what your ND friend says. Six of the last seven go to the maize and blue and Brian Kelly might not even be employed after he losses to Michigan State.
Okay enough bold predictions for my first post :P
was charlie weis's best win :D
Wasn't the USC-ND 05 finish a few minutes after our last second win over PSU (Henne to Manningham)?
In terms of the quality of the teams, the 05 game featured better teams. Saturday night's finish was pretty hard to beat. I can't remember so much action in the last 1:12 in any game I can remember seeing.
That was an amazing afternoon - some think about the best even in NCAA football.
That game was cheated. Last two drives the fumble and the push.
I don't think it diminishes the entertainment value if the 2 teams aren't ranked. The 4th quarter of the game on Saturday was easily more exciting.......because come on, we're Michigan fans.
2005 ND wasn't really a BCS quality team. They got thrashed by OSU in the Fiesta. It wasn't even close.
Since you wern't arguing about what was the better matchup or which had the biggest bowl implications I think you are right, this one was better. Most of these posts talk about where the teams ranked when the games were played, and frankly, that has little to do with how good a game was.
This game was as good as it gets. The final few minutes of this game were the most intense I have seen in 37 years of watching hockey, baseball, football, volleyball, soccer, rugby, tennis, and just about every other sport that gets televised.
Add in the fact that with 8 seconds left the coach goes for the win on a pass from 15 + yards out instead of getting our kicker a better angle and wins with a touchdown with 2 seconds left, and I think this is the clear winner. Also factor in that with 23 seconds left we were on our own 20 yard line. I think you have a valid arguement.
I've never seen something where fumbling the ball actually won the game for USC. If Leinart didn't fumble the ball out of bounds and stop the clock, the game is over.
Plus you had Weis growing out the field into US Open rough to try and slow down USC, that was hilarious.
"I've never seen something where fumbling the ball actually won the game for USC."
Fumbling near the goal line worked out pretty well for us, too. :) Not that I'd take that as a general policy...
speaking from an unbiased view, USC- ND was better. You had well known college stars such as Leinart, Bush, Quimm, Samardizja (or however you spell his name.)
USC was undefeated and ND had one loss. USC was #1, ND was something like #9. The game also featured wild momentum swings. But it was more evenly played and both teams were competitve right up to the end. There was also that incredible 4th &9 pass to D. Jarrett at the end...
Plus, I have a firm belief that the later a game is in the season (with hihgly ranked teams) the more epic it is. That's why the OSU- UM game of 2006 remains, for me, the most legendary college football game I've ever seen.