We had an in-game thread last week and we won.
Thought someone was going to start it, so I'll go ahead and give it a shot and hopefully we can turn our fortunes around.
one leg hopping for the save. That was legit.
I really know nothing about soccer. Saying that first, my perception is that the US team looks ok. One HUGE mess up, other than that, they have looked like the better team.
If I'm wrong, sorry, I'm at least trying to understand what makes this game so popular.
No you're correct. US looks like the better team right now, but soccer can be cruel.
Oh man oh man, do we need two goals here.
(it probably shouldn't but the image below cracks me up)
Please let this work.
But in reverse.
...but with this formation and lineup, I think Jones and Johnson really have to push up and be a factor offensively. Obviously that leaves massive holes on the back end, but that's where Bedoya and Zusi have to cover for them if they move foward.
ahead of Dempsey. kthnx
We've given that guy his fair share of forearms...hopefully that continues in the 2nd half.
goal scorer's hands [feet].
If Cameron is hurt...it's Gonzo that replaces him.
Oh my fukccccc
I want to throw up.
That was absolutely painful to watch.
Plenty of time left, but just painful.
That was an absolute sitter! Just a sign of Portugals luck right now. US acquitting themselves well but that may be the chance of the game.
Gives the ball away again at midfield...
We need a finisher.
Did anyone else see the Washington State flag there?
Where did that come from.
I said Jones and Johnson...what a goal.
He bent it like Beckham.
That was one of the best shots anyone will ever see
What a fucking beauty
What a shot!!!!!!!!!
Gotta settle down...settle back in.
Did anyone else watching ESPN coverage get a nice chuckle out of the dude dressed up as Teddy Roosevelt? I could see him cheering quite uproariously there too, from what I understand about the man.
Also, we need another one like that - left the goalie paralyzed, it seemed. Very beautiful goal indeed.
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!! What a goal!!!!!
going to be a long 20 min
I know that's kind of "unAmerican" but Dempsey hasn't done much since the first 15 minutes.
Who are your other subs? Do we trust Yedlin? We've got Zusi and Bedoya on so we can't sub there...this is interested.
Taylor starts talking about him...he looked good in the qualifiers
Didn't think about a defender for a midfielder...and with his pace...we don't lose much.
I hear the Denard Robinson "LOOK AT THAT SPEED!"
Besler is hurt.
Telling Brooks to slow down...let them rest and recover.
And now they own possession, this is awful.
Pretty shit there to go up a goal....very nice!
Who took the pretty shit? The goalie?
Dempsey. Hell yes!!!
America fuck ya
Fuck you Ronaldo...he's hurt
This is going to be a very long 10 minutes.
I wanna cry
Off his belly!!! Take it any way you get it
Chandler is in....please no.
No he's not.
And it's stallin' time!
Is fast as SHIT!
2 for 2 on my sub predictions...
Jones out (Yellow Card), Brooks in...and use 2 minutes to do it.
We've gotten fucked twice in that regard.
Meh. Seems appropriate
I think the 5 min was appropriate given 2 goals, the injuries, and several substitutions.
These guys have even everything.
Fuck fuck we fucking let up
This is one of the all time choke jobs.
Not even close.
They fought back down 1 and end up with a tie...
You act like they were up 4-0 and lost 5-4.
god fucking damn it
Yep. Now we have to at least draw with Germany.
Good luck with that.
Not really. If we lose but keep it close we still have a good chance.
God damn it.....
We would've been okay with a draw in pregame talk... but not that type of draw. No way.
We went from being the first team in the group to advance to us being in a rather vulnerable position to advance
Bradley. That was on him. I knew if he kept losing the damn ball it would cost us. The guy is seriously out of shape or is just playing like shit.
There's no way the U.S. Beats Germany......what a miserable and disheartening end to this World Cup for us
We don't need to beat Germany
All we need is a tie.
And I believe if Ghana is the team to win the US holds the tie-breaker because of head-to-head, but I'm not sure.
Pretty sure tie breaker is goal dif
It's based on goal differential first. So the US have to hope Ghana don't win by 2 goals.
I will not drink the rest of this beer in silence and take out my rage tomorrow at work in a more meaningful manner.
If the US loses, first hope is for Portugal to win because unless they win by 5+ the US will advance.
If Ghana does win, Ghana advances if they win by 2+ or the US loses by 2+.
Then after that is goals scored. So the US wants as high scoring a loss as possible and as low scoring a win for Ghana as possible.
After that is head-to-head
Portugal doesn't necessarily have win by five. They just need to make up five goals' difference. If we lose by 3, they only have to win by 2, and so on. If we're tied, the team that's scored the most will advance.
Yeah, messed that up. Was thinking goal differential, for some reason said head to head.
That we can tie Germany??? They're gonna run roughshod all over us. There's not a chance in hell we tie that game
It'll be tough no doubt. Also, depending on the score of the Ghana/Portugal game, the US can still go through even with a loss to Germany.
Even if you're right.
We beat ghana, they tied Germany. The sky hasn't fallen.
I can understand that. I concede that I am very cynical but (whether it be Hoke as our coach or our world cup chances) I am above all, a realist. There's no point in ignoring facts and relying on some sort of unfounded optimism
Okay, I actually do not like you now.
that you don't like me, but the truth hurts.
That work for you or should I try harder to be impacted?
Just telling you what's gonna happen. It's the same as people on this board who project 8+ wins for this upcoming football season. Sure you hope it happens, but if you step back and look at it objectively, you know that it's just not gonna happen no matter how much you hope for it. I'm not trying to impact your thought processes or optimism, I'm just telling the truth and not sugar coating it. Do I hope the US ties Germany and advances? absolutely! Do I hope that Hoke gets the team ready and is able to beat MSU OR Ohio? Unequivacly! But the fact of the matter is that it's just not gonna happen, so why get your hopes up? Deep down everyone knows this but this board is over-run but sunshine blowers who want to see what they hope will happen and not what's gonna happen.
It takes a special type of "cynic"/"realist" to amass nearly 100 negative points on this blog in a month. I mean, you get a point for posting every time!
It take's a special type of blog for everyone to follow the party line and be afraid of the truth....hence my neg bombs. I never intended to have such a negative rating, but it seems that if you don't believe that everything is sunshine and roses in regards to the USMNT and especially the football program you're negged. I absolutely wish I had more cause for optimism, but taking a step back and looking at things OBJECTIVELY, I'm not sure how anyone can predict anything different from what I have
The self-importance and arrogance of this comment basically makes me think I should just remove you from the blog because there is no evidence that you would be able to handle or are indeed interested in constructive disagreement or interesting in actually responding to the opinions of others with any coherent, rational demeanor.
in regards to soccer I can't really respond intelligently as I'm not just not knowledgeable outside of what the talking heads say, which is not positive with regards to our chances against Germany. Football however is a whole nother matter, and this is primarily a football blog after all
know what you're talking about?
For the record, I do know what I'm talking about regarding soccer.
There are plenty of posters that are not "sunshine and roses" posters that don't amass 5 downvotes per post. It's the definitive manner in which you post that gets you the downvotes, not the fact you're being negative. As if you are the authority on what can and can't happen. Maybe provide some real insight why US can't tie Germany or why we can't win 8 games in football next season and you won't get negbombed.
I don't claim to be the absolute authority on what will and won't happen (nor can anyone here, see the first app state game projections if you want evidence). I can't give any insight into why we won't beat Germany other than what the talking heads say. If you want to insight into why we will win 8 games at most next season, that I can do albeit most have already been covered in this blog.
point count by ten and then take all those points from me, subtract them from his and then ban both of us.
that this is a site designed for many people to share their thoughts and opinions right? As an alumnus I believe I have the right to share my opinion regardless of how negative it may be. If that's a ban-able offense, then I'm sorry and I will quickly switch my projection to us winning the World Cup and the football team winning the NC for the next 10 years.
And 100% believe you have the same diploma that I do hanging on the wall.
if that's sarcasm or not. If it is then I'm sorry you feel that way. If not, then, I know we have very differing opinions, but I have the upmost respect for you and am very happy to debate anything, especially sports, with you
I'll do the same.
I still don't think you're legit but I'm not going to ignore the olive branch on my hunch.
I have friends that have similar over the top reactions to a loss.
but I received my acceptance the day Bo died, and my very first game was "the horror" so I may be conditioned to be extremely pessimistic and negative especially in regards to our football program. But I am a very proud alumnus and love the University of Michigan to death. I wouldn't be starting medical school if it wasn't for my time there, and for that I am extremely grateful.
predicts a crappy season, talks about Bo's death, repeatedly references the App state game, and over all seems to just be looking for fights.
Anyways, good night.
but I've never seen even a decent Michigan team outside of the 2011 team, which we can all agree out performed their true ability, so I'm very jaded when it come to Michigan football. but regardless, I bid you goodnight sir. and from wolverine to another....GO BLUE!
Just to be clear, it isn't the sharing of opinions or the diversity of the opinions that troubles anyone, but more that you admit to your opinion being underinformed if not completely uninformed and yet persist in trying to troll the blog with these opinions in a rather snide manner. I can guarantee you that such behavior, if you continue it is A) not going to be accepted and B) will likely get you removed from the blog. Consider yourself warned.
I understand that. didn't mean to come off as snide.
If you don't have insight into a certain topic, then why say a team can or can't do ______. And stop adhering desperately to your uninformed opinion when confronted about it.
And saying we won't win 8 games is kind of silly. That's where the over/under will be set. So it's not like this is a team that went 3-9 and 8 games would be a huge reach. 8 games is definitely doable, while still being a disappointment. So don't complain when you're getting negged for "going against the grain" when you're really just being contrarian to be an asshole.
He's a troll.
And since my response apparently registered under the troll's response, "you're a troll."
"Oh how I'm not a troll and I'm just being objective and stuff like that" below.
being objective= being a troll. I'm glad I understand that the majority of this blog can't handle an honest opinion. Good to know that if I project a NC for the football team next year I would be +1000, but God forbid I have some sort of common sense
Thanks for the assist, 1927.
As I'm not really trolling, i'm not sure how impressive that is though
I'm trying to give all that I have.
/and I need to stop feeding you. But whatever, boredom.
just voicing my thoughts, which seem to go against the grain of many on here. Can't say I blame everyone as I sincerely hope we do tie/beat Germany, I'm just not very optimistic.
Of course, before this tournament people would have doubted the US would beat Ghana and nearly beat Portugal, settling for a cheap tie. Germany is very good, but they struggled at times against Ghana and the US certainly isn't lacking in confidence.
Um, I don't think that's quite how it works. US has to play well against Germany, but right now I'm not seeing the doom and gloom beyond letting a winnable game go to a draw.
My lord Bradley that was awful....just awful.
That hurts like hell...
Wow. I haz a sad
On Bradley. Terrible at keeping possession. A recurring theme, it seems
Time for Klinsmann to work his magic...and collude with Germany.
So it makes sense. But I doubt much that it happens.
...for a result to happen when both teams are happy with it. Naturally, not through collusion, because as long as either team needs a goal they'll go forward, but once both teams are happy they'll take no chances. The fullbacks stay back, the holding midfielders hold, all the attacks are 3 on 7.
Ghana-Portugal can tie, all's not lost, let alone the fact we still have to play big bad Germany and anything can happen.
LIterally the last kick of the game. I'm in shock.
Feel exactly like I felt after half-court shot by OSU or Kordell-to-Westbrook or something along those lines (Wisconsin heave to tie vs. MBB, etc.).
Portugal needs to beat Ghana and/or we need to tie.
There are still 4-5 scenarios, but for us to move forward, those are the two most likely?
Portugal tie with Ghana is more preferable, if Portugal wins then hope it's only by 1. Right?
Portugal would have to win with like 5 goals because they're still -4 in goal differential and the US is +1. We just don't want Ghana to win.
Thank you all you fuckers who wanted a Ghana win/draw against Germany.
Because if the US loses by 2-3 goals then Portugal doesn't have to win by as much.
I don't see it happening though.
I think Portugal and Ghana are going to end up with a 2-1 or 2-2 type game.
U.S. can lose 1-3 and still advance IMO.
Portugal is -4 in GD, USA is +1. Portugal would need to win by at least 4 for them to potentially knock us out. Ghana beating portugal is a lot scarier, as their GD is only -1.
Because if the US loses by 2-3 goals then Portugal doesn't have to win by as much.
I don't see it happening though.
I think Portugal and Ghana are going to end up with a 2-1 or 2-2 type game.
U.S. can lose 1-3 and still advance IMO.
It's hard to encompass all win/loss scenarios and goal differential cases in one short post. I was just pointing out that for the US to lose, they would need to lose by at least one, and then Portugal would have to win by 4, which would (likely) give them the Goal advantage to push us out. A better way to say it may be, we need to lose and portugal needs to win by a total goal differential of at least 5.
Portugal and Ghana are going to BOTH be playing for their lives.
And they're two good teams.
So it's not like it's Ghana playing Cameroon or some shit team that's 0-2 and ready to go home.
Both teams are playing a team on life support. It wouldn't shock me if they draw to be honest.
that everyone goes home happy on Thursday.
It doesn't need to be this obvious but surely both teams have every reason to take no chances and allow no goals? No collusion required, just common sense.
dude has been a walking turnover in both games so far.
Just fvcking kick it down the pitch.
Jones did the same thing...we at that point just take the "icing" call.
Being honest, I personally don't like our chances. However, I don't think either team can make up the goal differential.
That goal differential is going to dissipate like the morning fog on a hot July day.
My biggest worry as well. We should probably pay more attention to Ghana - Portugal, playing at the same time as our match, and root like hell for a draw!
Because for 47 minutes I was looking like an MGoGod for starting this thread...then that annoying fuck with the stupid haircut had to ruin it for me.
Damnit why couldn't Germany do there jobs yesterday and beat Ghana.
I'm thinking pack it in and play for the draw.
But we have been HORRIBLE playing like that in this World Cup.
We tried vs. Ghana and it didn't work. We tried when we got up 2-1 in this game and it didn't work.
We struggle possessing the ball.
Usually, I'd agree...shit, start two goalies. But we've been awful at trying to milk anything. Wondo by FAR made the best two plays in that regard this game. And that was 2 plays of probably 55-60 minutes of us trying to play it safe.
I just don't think our defense is strong enough. We seem best when the ball is in the other teams end of the field and we're attacking. We we try to build out of the back we struggle.
In fact, have we had ONE decent chance that started from the back end? We obviously haven't had a goal that has, but have we even gotten a good shot?
We've been horrible at it because we don't have an outlet. Losing Altidore hurts because we can't play defensive and expect alot of opportunities on the counter because we have no one to hold it up. It's incredibly ironic that the players we really wish we could have on this team after the Altidore injury are Eddie Johnson or Terrence Boyd and not Landon Donovan.
Can the US and Germany do the opening kickoff and just lay down for 90 minutes or will FIFA disqualify them for that?
Click the Gijon link in my post above.
It's happened before, people were pissed but no action was taken. I doubt anyone would ever do it quite like that--they just took turns punting it to the other end of the field--but there are subtler ways to play for a draw.
The match is over unless it's just a routine set piece that someone scores on.
The longer the match goes, the less teams with take chances (assuming it's tied)
Can someone please explain to me why we aren't moving forward at a very high percentage? Portugal is -4 and Ghana is -1 in Goal Dif. If we lose By 1 to Germany Portugal would have to win by 3 to tie us and Ghana win by 1 ties us. What happens if goal dif is even after all 3 games?
Goals scored come in place.
But Ghana can't win by 2 and we lose by 2.
In the end, we should be fine. But we really did give EVERYTHING in that game.
I think if we win that game, our lineup looks a LOT different vs. Germany. I think we rest half the lineup because these guys are SPENT.
Jones couldn't move. Bradley couldn't move. Besler couldn't move. Beasley couldn't move.
Now the four of them have to turn around a play one of the best teams in the world in 3 days.
Ronaldo is sometimes just going to do that. US looked completely worn out and the goal felt like it was meant to happen. I'll take the positive that the USA looked very good and had some great moments against a good Portugal team.
I hate that we are playing a pissed off Germany team. Thanks for nothing, Ghana. If we were to drop our next match 3-0, it would basically wipe out our goal differential advantage against either Portugal or Ghana should either of them win. Rooting so hard for a Ghana - Portugal tie right now.
as when Michigan lost to Kentucky.
Still happy Ghana and Germany drew?
If Germany wins all you did was eliminate one team. We still would've had to get more points. Lose twice and Portugal win twice and they advance. Tie Portugal and get blown out and have Portugal win big and we still would've been out EVEN with a Germany win yesterday.
Also, if you actually paid attention...my comment was PERSONAL. That result was best for me because it was best for the US to WIN the group.
If Germany wins, they've got 6 points and we're pretty much done. With 4 points, we were alive and we're still more alive (to win the group) in that regard than we would've been had they won. If they won yesterday and we beat them, we weren't going to ever make up the goal differential, so we would've been second.
So keep being a douche, but at least understand the context of which I was speaking.
I want to see the US when I go to Rio...that was the best result...hence my comment. Nothing more, nothing less, and nothing had changed.
It would've been easier to get a win and then a draw versus Germany, than a draw and a win versus Germany...but BOTH are more likely than trying to get two wins or a tie and a win that makes up the goal differential.
Whatever the reason, if Germany had won yesterday then that draw would have almost assured us a spot in the next round. Now there is a very real chance Ghana advances and we get nothing.
I actually feel worse. That whole game Kentucky was taking it to us and we were holding on. Today we dominated Portugal and handed them both goals. Not to mention Bradley missing an almost wide open net from point blank range. This is on a level with northwestern 2000 for me.
That Germany also advances with a draw.
Do both teams just cash it in and accept a 0-0 draw and move on? Interesting.
Klinsmann didn't leave on good terms with the Germany MNT or his Bayern Munich team. Plus, our German players, etc. It wouldn't shock me if the game against Germany is an actual competition.
I'm pretty sure Klinsmann and Loew are on good terms. Loew's been full of praise for Klinsmann in the German press, anyway.
That's really the biggest reason it might not happen. Accusations of collusion would be a little too easy if the game is soft. But if either team ever falls behind they'll have enormous motivation to go forward and the other team will have little to gain from going up two. And if it's still tied in the last half hour or so both teams have every reason to park the bus.
You are right about the collusion. And Low has said the right things, for sure. But even if we believe his nice remarks, I can't stand the tought of losing to one of my friends at something.
We've got 4 points.
But truthfully, we should've only got 1 point vs. Ghana. That should've been a tie and this should've been a win.
In our hearts we want to be through to the knockout stage, but objectively, we're right where we should be.
I knew I'd be watching Germany.
But a small part of me was still hopeful that the U.S. would win the group so I could see them in Rio when I get down there.
That same part of me is hoping we somehow beat Germany and get through as unrealistic as that is.
I was just starting to think we'd win the group with a win and a tie...win our round of 16 on our nation's Independence Day, I'd be sitting in the Maracana watching our country.
The red and blue glasses are still on, but this one stings on a personal level.
Let's get the 1-0 win on Thursday and then win a week from Monday. As a Michigan fan and what I've been through, I deserve this boys! PLEASE!
Goal....MY GAWD! That was Messi-esqe
Sucks for us to give up the win like that, but - in the big picture - it's another epic finish in what is shaping up to be the best World Cup I've ever followed.
I'm going to look at it like this...
The US and Ghana should've tied 1-1.
Germany rightfully beat the breaks off of Portugal 4-0
Germany and Ghana rightfully tied 2-2
The US should've beat Portugal 2-1
It should be:
Germany: 1-1-0 / 4 points / 6 GF / 2 GA / +4 GD
United States: 1-1-0 / 4 points / 3 GF / 2 GA / +1 GD
Ghana: 0-2-0 / 2 points / 3 GF / 3 GA / 0 GD
Portugal: 0-0-2 / 0 points / 1 GF / 6 GA / -5 GD
If I look at it like this...we're actually in a better position than what realistically we probably should be in.
I know, "keep tellin yourself that, bro." But in truth. It's not that far-fetched. Hell, if Alum96 reads this, he'll tell you that we should've lost 1-2 to Ghana (which I disagree with).
So again, nothing changes. Just win. Fuck the rest. And if you can't win...fight like hell for that tie baby!
Man that place I was at, we were all watching in a big gathering outdoors and when that 2nd goal was scored that place went MAD
So much chanting and USA it was unbelievable and made me proud
Shame we tied it. The game on Thursday is very important now. Unfortunately it occurs whilst many of us have to work
Why not put in fresh legs in the last 5 minutes when it's clear the starters can barely stay upright? Bradley was terrible but he was clearly exhausted. Are the subs so bad that they are worse at 100% than starters running on fumes?
We did use all three subs, last two in the 87th minute (Wondolowski for Dempsey) and 90th (Gonzalez for Zusi).
I think FIFA should consider allowing a fourth substitute for World Cup games. Players nowadays play for almost the entire calendar year and the level of competition is only getting tougher.
I wonder if there are going to be any overtime games in the heat and humidity. 7 field players will go 90+x+y and then 30+z minutes.
Manaus is done once the group stage is over. Switzerland/Honduras is there, and that's it.
But then again I have a lot of ideas....
That's just soccer for you.
We were probably on the verge of putting an attack player when Jones scored and tied it...
Tied, we put in Yedlin in for Bedoya, a defender for a midfielder. Great move to preserve the tie, but aggressive enough to keep an attack.
Clearly when Yedlin gets a hockey assist on the Dempsey goal.
At that point you have to take Dempsey out because he's got a broken nose, he's gassed and you don't need points.
Wondo did a great job in for Dempsey, sub was perfect.
...the last sub was Gonzo in for Zusi.
Again you pull a midfielder for a defender. So you've got SIX defenders in the game. You've also pulled midfielders who run around a lot more than defenders.
You can't pull everyone. Jones, Beckerman and Bradley are the 3 he chose to keep on the field.
Jones and Bradley were spent. But so was Beasley and so was Johnson.
Just too many tired people and not enough subs.
I'm sure if there were timeouts or unlimited subs we would've gotten fresher legs.
***also there is no point in subbing someone that late in a game. Why have someone come in and run around for 5 minutes? I'd almost always use two subs between the 65th and 75th minute...and the last one between the 70th and 80th. The only exception is if you're up and you just want to stall late in the game by making a change.
Thanks. I wasn't aware we used all of our subs. Guess I can go back to cursing Cameron and Bradley.
"The only exception is if you're up and you just want to stall late in the game by making a change."
I thought that's exactly what Klinsmann was doing. He waited until the ref had signaled the stoppage time to the fourth official--sometimes that means none of the time you waste making the sub gets added back on but tonight's ref, to his credit, was wise to it and added another minute.
The other reason to save a sub for late is that if you use them all you can't deal with emergencies. If someone gets hurt and can't continue, you have to play a man down. Between that and the time-wasting usefulness of putting a sub on after the stoppage time has already been posted, I like holding one back when ahead (or tied, if a tie is a good result).
I think it was Cameron who really cost us that game. 2 critical mistakes. First the botched clear for their first goal, and second letting that guy beat him and run free into the box for the game tying header. Thanks Cameron!!
The funny thing is outside of those two plays, Cameron was really solid in the back. But, he made two crucial errors and it might have cost us a spot in the Round of 16. Now, as Mr. Yost has pointed out, the U.S. is still in a very good position.
They advance with a win or a draw (Germany also advances with a draw, and there is a precedent for this sort of thing as has been pointed out).
Portugal would have to win 3-0 and the U.S. would have to lose 2-0 to get knocked out. If Portugal wins 4-0 and the U.S. loses 3-1, then lots would be drawn I believe.
Ghana has a better chance as they can win 2-0 and the U.S. can lose 1-0 and Ghana would advance.