USC Appeal Denied
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15164463/ncaa-denies-usc…
(Sorry if I missed this somewhere else)
I think they are limited to 15 per class for the next three classes (2012, 2013 and 2014) and a total cap of 75. Other than that, they can use all the normal "tools" to fit within those limits. If a player leaves (or is pushed out), that scholly can be used for someone else so long as they stay within these reduced limits.
Those could be the years in which they suffer the most. They'll have at most 15 seniors on those teams (barring transfers in from other schools).
A 2nd point: I wonder if any of the 2010 kids will be released or medically redshirted to make room for the 2011 class. USC can sign 30 players in a year but they can't have more than 85 total by the time the season starts.
Yeah, they'll be in tough shape after that 30 man class graduates, especially if any of the class of 2012 goes pro early (totally possible, since there will be some talented guy in that class).
They only can have 75 players on scholarship, and can take 15 players maximum per recruiting class. If they lose 20 seniors to graduation they can only add 15 players, if they lose 12 seniors and are at the 75 player limit they can only bring in 12 players.
"they're fucked"
"Proper fucked"
In the "butt."
before ze Germans get there
Wouldn't this make you think that OSU is really in for it then? Seems like USC's problems were few and small relative to what we are hearing about the Bucks . . .
OSU's violations are all about tressel, they cut him loose and they won't get the same punishment
USC's came down to the AD, the compliance department and an assistant coach. The case was much more about the university than OSU's
Their compliance department failed to catch the obvious problems with cars.
I thought the whole car thing had been laid to rest
Only in the sense that nobody got free cars. Discounted cars, well, that might be something else.
And "loaner" cars.
That depends on what else comes out. If it is just JT lying, yeah I agree it is not as bad as USC and by dumping him OSU will be penalized less. But if "Car-gate", "Housing-gate" and the other rumors floating around turn out to be the real deal, OSU could be hit even harder than USC. Especially if athletes from other sports are involved (two non-football players' names already have popped up in the car investigation).
Certainly I don't disagree there. One of USC's big problems was how small the compliance staff was, OSU has the biggest one in the country, at least last I knew it was.
USC's other problem was that they were basically contemptuous of the NCAA's investigation at first. It's like telling the judge to go screw himself right before sentencing.
That the NCAA was just jealous of USC.
Their AD didn't do much to change people's mind either
They'll all be 5* and 4* recruits. So USC will still win 7+ games a year. But it does benefit the rest of the conference. Maybe UCLA will finally make its comeback? And Washington has been hurting, in part, because USC can poach its best in-staters. Now they just have Oregon to worry about.
Even 15 4 and 5 star players a year is tough to build a team around.
And I don't think they'll have the same quality of recruits that they've been getting. Top flight players want to be on a winning team, and those recruits also have offers from Oregon, Florida, Alabama, ND, Michigan, Oklahoma, and so on. If it looks like USC is headed for tough times, a lot of those top recruits might decide USC doesn't have the same appeal it used to.
exactly plus they don't have the same staff developing those lower rated guys that built USC into the team they were.
Okay, fine. 6 not 7. Maybe even 5 in a particularly bad year. But the Pac-12 isn't deep, and they will still have, by far, the highest average star ranking. They just won't win 9 or 10, because they won't have the depth, and because Kiffin isn't a great coach.
Oregon will sit pretty atop the conference, and a few other schools will benefit from USC's troubles. But I'd be very, very surprised if they fell that far down. The injunctions are fairly short-term (2 years bowl ban, 3 year reduced scholarship) and they took a megaclass already before the scholarship reductions kicked in.
That still leaves them better than WSU, ASU, CU during the whole period
That leaves them probably better than Cal, Oregon St., UCLA for most of the period
That leaves them probably still better than Washington, Arizona, Utah and Stanford in at least part of the period in question.
And only definitely worse through the whole period than Oregon.
Looking at 2011, I think they win 2/3 non-conference games (Minn+Syracuse) plus Colorado, Arizona State, two of three against Washington, Cal and Arizona, and UCLA at home. 7 wins.
The other problem is that 4 and 5 star players still get into trouble, still get academically ineligible, and still get injured. And they still turn out to be busts, albeit less frequently than their 3 star brothers.
In each of those 15 man classes, USC could have a bunch of Carlos Browns, Cullen Christians, Demar Dorseys, Justin Turners, Cory Zirbels, Darryl Stonums, Tate Forciers, the list goes on. Not that I have anything wrong with any of those guys, but there are many reasons why 4 star+ guys don't end up to be everything you thought, and without depth, you're in big trouble.
well you have the chance they wont make the grade to get in and there is always the chance they are just a good old fashioned bust.
Not only is RoJo out of eligibility, he was just drafted by the Niners last month.
As for Nick Perry, he's going iunto his RS junior season. As a RS FR he didn't start but played every game and lead the team with 8 sacks. Last year started 9 games (ankle injury).
I thought I had heard he was a little homesick or something as a freshman. Now he's probably firmly entrenched in the lineup and may be planning to enter the draft after this year, assuming he has a good season. Would love him as a transfer and think he would make the DL amazing, but doubt there's any way it would happen.
The most likely example would be someone whose best years are likely to come when the team has zero depth, and maybe for someone who was highly touted but didn't have a great experience as a freshman.
I think the most likely to transfer would be Kyle Prater, but if he does I'm guessing ND would be his destination.