I'm OK with that. M was overrated going into last season. I'd rather not have high expectations at this point in the Hoke process. Next year or 2015, however, I expect big things.
USA Today Coaches Poll Out, Michigan #17
I was told by a former Bo player in-the-know that Michigan will be Michigan again starting 2014.
Brady Hoke disagrees.
I was told by a former Bo player in-the-know that Michigan will be Michigan again starting 2014.
I was worried that it might have been Eric Mayes; but Mayes played for Carr, not Bo.
Anyway, what does "Michigan being Michigan again" mean? Is 9-4 "Michigan being Michigan again"? Does it mean losing to Ohio State and going to the Outback Bowl?
2014 is when we have to face Lloyd Carr's old nemesis; Appalachian State. I hope Michigan is something other than "historical Michigan" when that date arrives. Maybe Brady Hoke ought to order a team-wide urine screen that morning.
What does it mean?
1. It means a dominant run game with a dominant OL.
2 It means that is well ahead of MSU.
3. It means a solid defense.
Number 3 is the only thing we've had. Regarding #1, we all know we haven't had that in awhile. Yes, we had the spread and that was effective too. Regarding #2, MSU has been better than us the past FOUR years.
I thought that we led the Conference in total offense in 2010; mostly as a rushing team. I thought we had the dominant dual-offense producer in the nation that year (Denard Robinson). And I think you got to it already; the fact that from the moment that Greg Mattison arrived, Michigan's defense has been at least as good as anything ever put together by Ron English.
I haven't seen Michigan field a defense like '06 since, well, '06. Don't get me wrong, 2011 was a good year, but not on the level we had in 2006.
17 is just fine to me. Michigan was ranked 15th in the 2006 pre-season after a 5 loss season in '05.
They are definitely notable this year.
No they're not.
Yes they are
na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na
Yes they are.
You guys keep drinking that Kool-Aide.
NW will be better than Neb, lock it DOWN
Well Nebraska sucks anyway, so that isn't a bold prediction.
People like you make me want negbombs to return.
What do you mean? People who disagree with you?
Try to remember this isn't espin.
Yeah, but you're wrong.
Wrong about NW, or wrong about you?
And you only get to choose one...
I get to choose as many as I want and the answer to your question is both. I'm not a "yabut" guy and NW will not be as good as everyone thinks.
you're making a scene... Don't make me turn this comment thread around!!! You know I will!!
HE started it...
Replying just to see how small these comment boxes can go.
I've always wondered that myself.
only one way to find out...
They basically had us beat at home with a minute to go, and we needed OT to get past them. They lost by one point to Nebraska. They won their bowl game against a good team. They return a ton of players, including their two most dangerous play makers from last year. Northwestern will be a tough team to play again this year.
But they lost to M and that's all that matters. I'm not buying their hype.
You possess a familiar tone. Suspiciously spartan-esk. Unless you're being facetious?
It's spelled -esque and no, I think M and Ohio will both handle NW fairly easily. Both teams have superior talent and coaching.
I'm fairly certain this is Darth/Borg's 3rd account.
Huh? Who the hell is that? I have been reading this blog for a while, but only recently made an account to start posting.
Are you willing to reconsider that decision?
Asking "Who is that?" is telling...
Just seems like if I was accused of being someone I wasn't, I'd just simply say "Yeah, that's not me, but whatever."
The NW game is the most important. Now before everyone neg bombs me, let me explain. OF COURSE the OSU game has the utmost importance, but they are not in our division this year.
A loss to NW would be damning in our chances to achieve the team goals (BIG Ten title, Rose Bowl, etc). I certainly expect NW to beat both MSU and Neb, that means our game with them will determine who goes to the B1G Championship game.
With that being stated, I am very confident that we NW. While their O is explosive, their D is not and with the improved athleticism on our D, we match up better against their O.
I am sure there will be a pending future thread, but I am calling for a 12-2 season.....
Why do you expect N'Western to beat Nebraska in Lincoln? I know that they did manage to do that two years ago, but expecting that to happen again seems odd. Northwestern has a better team this year than they did last year but their schedule is much harder and I think they will finish with a worse record (8-4 or 7-5) than last season.
Nebraska is the real threat to UM in the Legends division as they have the combination of a good-ish team and an easy conference schedule. MSU's schedule is probably just as easy as Nebraska's but they won't be good enough to take advantage of it to win the division.
But NW has us, MSU and OSU at home. And yes they did beat Neb 2 year ago. I also account for the fact that Neb as like only 3 returning starters on D. Yes T-Mart is coming back and their O is good, but NW contained it each of the last 2 years.
Neb D will not be good, not under any circumstances, especially against an experienced and explosive O like NW.
Keep in mind that while Neb did win against NW last year. It was a freak series of plays in the 4th quarter that allowed Neb to pull one out of their you know what. So, yes, I am confident that Pat will the Purple Swarm ready for Neb even in Lincoln this year......
Do you want to give reasons why you think they won't be good or are you going to keep repeating your opinion over and over again?
Since when was Mississippi State a good team? At best, they were above average. They went 8-5 last year and 4-4 in their conference and beat none of the good teams they faced. Their SEC wins came against Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Arkansas. Which of those wins is impressive? Not a single one of those teams went to a bowl game. You can talk all you want about them playing in the SEC, but the fact is that they built their record on beating teams in the bottom of the conference. If a team like Purdue had beat them, would we even be talking about this? The only reason it got so much attention was because Northwestern hadn't won a bowl game in so long.
Northwestern lost to Michigan and Nebraska in dramtic fashion, but they also won in dramatic fashion. They lost 2 close games, but also won 2 close games. For all intents and purposes, that's a wash. Add in that they avoided OSU and Wisconsin and there are plenty of reasons to doubt Northwestern for next year.
Anyways, Michigan at #17 sounds right (I hope and expect them to be better at season's end but this is where I thought they'd be ranked pre-season). Many will see that Michigan loses a descent amount of starters from last year, but of course those that follow Michigan closely see we are replacing those we lost with very talented youth that did get quite a bit of playing time last year for being freshmen or sophomores.
Agreed except on the O-Line interior. Talented and physically gifted, for sure, but little or no game inexperience. Let's hope they are well-seasoned by the time November gets here.
Great spot! We take of ND and we should be single digits when we play staee.
Huh. I was expecting between the 10 - 15 range. This seems just a tad too low to me.
Nah. There are still question marks on this team, but most of us think they will be answered as the season progresses. M has the potential to be a top ten team and will be if they keep winning (obviously), but preseason 17 is just about right.
No there's not.
17 feels about right to me. I think we were in the 10-13 range if we pulled out the W against USC.
If we dropped seven spots over one play that took place last year that just demonstrates how meaningless this poll is
I think this team ends up much better, but no way coaches from other schools should know all the ins and outs of how Michigan is replacing a large number of starters. Plus, even if we think the new starters will be great, they still need to earn it. Michigan is set up nicely this season to get whatever ranking they deserve based on how they play. Can't wait for the season to start!
I'll take it. At #17, it's like we are laying in the weeds am waiting. Wait a minute...
Dantonio is gonna have your statement on the bulletin board.
That's be cool ... Maybe he can take a crappy low-res screenshot of MGoBlog. I am sure it will receive much ballyhoo in the halls of whatever their crappy football office complex is.
According to the movie 300, Spartans live around a bottomless pit; that's what Leonidas kicks that dude into while shouting "This is Sparta!"
The analogy was decent, but not completely accurate. In real life, the Spartans LIVE in the bottomless pit of East Lansing, not just around it.
I still think Ohio State's defense has a lot to prove before they deserve that #2 ranking.
Who do you move above them? It's the age old conundrum, can't just move one team down without moving another team up. I don't see anyone behind them that is coming off an undefeated season and/or returning significantly more firepower.
undefeated last season, 2nd year under urbz usually very successful, soft big ten (at least based on last season). they may not be the 2nd best team at then end of the year but now it seems hard to put them anywhere else as all that points to around #2 behind bama.
All great points. After looking at the top 25, there really isn't another team that I guess "deserves" to be there any more so than OSU. But they still have a lot to prove.
but it's really Bama and everyone else this year. They could even lose a game in the regular season and still make the NCG, just like last year. There is probably a lot of parity in 2-20 but everyone else is a step below them this year. Of course, crazy stuff happens like injuries and the NCAA... so... you never know.
is starting to grow.....
Can't get here fast enough......
to me, beat ND we sore up to top 10, GO BLUE!
I have a soar on my leg.
We were #17 in the '97 preseason poll, if memory serves.
And I am serious.....this year's team will do the same thing....I have said it a few times and will again....QB DG will be one of the top 10 in the nation...the Oline with 2 great tackles and new studs interior will be very very good....RB will be great with green, Wrs will surprise and TEs will be exceptional...on defense, I think the line will be a big big improvement, James ross will be a stud and Countess will lead the secondary...I am SERIOUS...undefeated national champs THIS YEAR!!
I love the optimism. It could happen but it isn't the most likely outcome.
Still as many people on this blog say time and time again: there's a chance.
Also I'd rather face Bama in a year or two.
Hoke just said there is a battle at center with Miller, and a sophomore walk-on. TEs? Our two best receiving tight ends will probably be a true sophomore and a true freshman. I think you're being a tad too optimistic.
there are 3 positions on the interior OL...2 will be given to Kalis and Braden (superstuds), yes the center spot might be weaker than them, but I still maintain it will be better than last year's center...overall the 3 of them will far surpass last year and be one of the best in the B1G. In terms of TEs....excellent point on the "youth", but actually that IS MY POINT...I would rather play talented players who are young and inexperienced than experienced less-talented players....check out college sports today, in general experience doesn't matter as much as it used too (e.g. Manziel)
Is that you?
- Junior QB ready to unleash his full potential
- RB who was injured and in a slump last year, eager to prove himself this year
- New receivers with high potential
- All-world left tackle
- A hungry defense eager to prove themselves, lead by an athletic DE
- Overrated Notre Dame team to face early in the season
- Weakened Big 10 to face
- Media writing us off at a #17 ranking
Is this 2006 or 2013.....
that describes MIchigan every 3 years
But we also had 5 losses in previous years, both times. ITS FATE I TELL YOU!!! #1 VS #2 MATCHUP GUARANTEED AT SEASON'S END!!
Carl Tabb'n it eh?
Not a bad place to start the season.
The higher they climb, the harder they fall. I want them to fall...hard
There are 5-7 teams below Ohio that are better than they are. Rankings should not include a perceived weak schedule. PRE Season rankings should only covr strength of the over all team.
Not confirming nor denying your first sentence, but you are absoultely spot on with...
"Rankings should not include a perceived weak schedule."
I'm amazed at how often people try to take schedule into account when debating rankings. A ranking is how good a team is perceived to be, not how well the team is predicted to fare.
Then why do they release a poll after the conclusion of the season?
To rank how good the teams are, not how many games they won. If a 9 win team is "better" than a 10 win team, they should be ranked ahead. Don't you agree? Otherwise northern Illinois was like the 5th best team in the country last year.
Fun to talk about, but seeing the list of voters at the bottom of the poll just made me think...how much time do we really think these coaches have spent in the off-season paying any attention to other teams? The poll is more of a running average of success over the last 3 seasons or so. You'll notice the few "poll-crashers" from last year all dropped out. I have a hard time believing that Coach Hoke analyzed Northern Illinois, Vandy or Tulsa to determine whether or not they will have similar success this season.
Cannot confirm this but I believe the protocol is that the GAs fill them out, the athletic department approves, and then they are submitted. Sometimes, especially at the end of the year, the Head Coach is involved. However, most of the time they have no idea what they voted.
That's a great spot to be in...clear pathway to being in the top 10 by week 7, when the BCS computers take over, and we get off to the strong start that we are hoping for
Possibly well before that: Georgia opens with Clemson then plays South Carolina, Clemson and FSU play week 7 (as do Oklahoma and Texas), and we will have ND in week 2.
...but am trying to curb my excitement....unsuccessfully. Side note: I cannot work today and am going home early, the Countdown to Kickoff video both made my day and ruined it (for any productivity)
This will set up a decent top 20 matchup in week 2 vs. Notre Dame, at least in the media.
When I first looked at the 2013 schedule a loooong time ago I thought the ND would be a question mark/toss up. The more it gets closer I feel pretty confident that we will win. I don't think they are any better than last year, if anything they took a step backwards after losing their QB.
We will actually be better, IMO, and will be at home. Without a crazy amount of turnovers we would of topped them in 2012 as well.
I hope ESPN College Game Day comes to Ann Arbor again for the ND game. I can't see why they would not.
is a better matchup elsewhere which, doubtful.
South Carolina is at Georgia on 9/7 as well. Great football afternoon/evening for week 2.
SEC vs. SEC!!! ESPN's all over that one.
That will be a better pure football matchup, but it does not have the national cache that UM-ND has.
But if they go to Clemson vs Georgia to start, I suspect they'll want to stay away from repeats the next week.
my very awesome HTTV football mag says that ND stil has most of their DLIne intact and significant depth, HOWEVA...
Tommy Rees doesn't scare me too much (but let's not dig such a big hole this time).
If there is interest in the entire poll listing all who managed to get points, it is here at Pollspeak.com - LINK
In the expanded listing, Michigan State is the last ranked Big Ten team at #28, and all but 3 teams in the SEC managed to get at least a few points in the comprehensive voting. Some of the more "exotic" votes, if you will, went to San Jose State (#40, 8 points), East Carolina (in a five-way tie for #43, 3 points) and Arkansas, Rutgers and Toledo (among a few others) sit at the very bottom with one point.
History of preseason rankings
AP Coaches Final Record
1950 3 (3) 7 6-3-1
1951 17 9 4-5-0
1952 NR NR 5-4-0
1953 NR NR 6-3-0
1954 NR 20 6-3-0
1955 NR NR 7-2-0
1956 8 (2) 12 7-2-0
1957 6 (3) 7 5-3-1
1958 NR NR 2-6-1
1959 NR NR 4-5-0
1960 NR NR 5-4-0
1961 NR NR 6-3-0
1962 NR NR 2-7-0
1963 NR NR 3-4-2
1964 NR NR 9-1-0
1965 4 (5) 4 4-6-0
1966 NR NR 6-4-0
1967 NR NR 4-6-0
1968 NR NR 8-2-0
1969 NR 12 8-3-0
1970 8 9 9-1-0
1971 4 (1) 9 11-1-0
1972 6 8 10-1-0
1973 5 (2) 6 10-0-1
1974 6 (1) 6 10-1-0
1975 3 (1) 3 8-2-2
1976 2 (10) 8 10-2-0
1977 2 (19) 3 10-2-0
1978 6 9 10-2-0
1979 7 5 8-4-0
1980 12 18 10-2-0
1981 1 (38) 4 9-3-0
1982 12 12 8-4-0
1983 10 (1) NR 9-3-0
1984 14 (1) 8 6-6-0
1985 NR NR 10-1-1
1986 2 (6) 2 11-2-0
1987 7 8 8-4-0
1988 11 (1) 19 9-2-1
1989 1 (23) 4 10-2-0
1990 6 7 9-3-0
1991 2 (5) 7 10-2-0
1992 6 (1) 6 9-0-3
1993 3 (3) 5 8-4-0
1994 5 (2) 21 8-4-0
1995 14 12 9-4
1996 14 17 8-4
1997 14 20 12-0
1998 5 (4) 1 10-3
1999 8 12 10-2
2000 6 5 9-3
2001 12 11 8-4
2002 12 20 10-3
2003 4 (2) 9 10-3
2004 8 6 9-3
2005 4 14 7-5
2006 14 NR 11-2
2007 5 8 9-4
2008 NR 18 3-9
2009 NR NR 5-7
2010 NR NR 7-6
2011 NR NR 11-2
2012 8 (1) 8 8-5
Hopefully Hoke gets us back to pulling rankings like the teams in the seventies did.
LIttle before my time but the 92 team had 3 ties?! I am very glad my football consciousness came into maturity after overtime had been established.
I guess the voters are the ones scared of Clowney.
So, if we don't bust a coverage and give up a long ball at the end of the bowl game, are we ranked #7 right now, and them #17?
God, these polls are stupid.
Because the rankings are not only based on how a team did last year but how voters think they will do this year?
I've looked at USC's schedule and they look like a 9-4 or 10-3 (they play 13 reg season games in 2013) regular season team IMO. If anything, they are probably ranked a little too low.
I think Kiffin will get fired if he doesn't win at least nine games. He sucks as a head coach and I, for the life of me, cannot understand how he is still one.
I dare say we'll finish ranked higher than #17 if Devin Gardner stays healthy for the season. If not, we'll finish lower than #17.
Somebody needs to teach you the difference.
Beat ND and we are sniffing around the top 10. For traditonal powerhouses, it's always going to be able to be about how you play. We start the year out of the Top 25, then roll of 4-5 wins to start, and we are back in the thick of it. Preseason only matters for non-power conference teams.
I'll take it.
Beat Notre Dame.
Why is Texas ranked above us what have they proved in the last 3 years...