The big one. USA! USA! USA!
USA-England World Cup Open Thread
Double post accidently.
Gonna be Great! the announcers are even predicting USA to ge a win or tie!
Their normal soccer coverage is bad enough, but they dumb it down to ridiculous levels when they think the casual audience is watching. Julie Fowdy, some Eastern European guy no one has ever heard of, and the old goalie for Trinidad. Where do they find these "experts"? At least Tommy Smyth is kind of funny with his leprechaun lunacy, even if he knows nothing and has only hidden that fact from uninformed American viewers thanks to his over the top accent.
I'm part of the dumb casual audience that shows up every 4 years. I'd be interested in hearing what you think of the ABC crew once they get this started.
i like it when smyth calls the action...i think he has both humor and insightful analysis, i never thought of him as a know nothing.
lalas sounded 'over the top' with his comments about how pathetic greece looked.
Last cup U.S. was the only team to tie Italy and they didn't get beat, this World Cup should be interesting.
We also got our shit pushed in by the Czech Republic and Ghana, finishing last in our group. If our performance at the last World Cup is being taken as an indication of future success we are doomed.
Via @ussoccer on twitter, here is the starting XI:
Today's lineup:#USMNT: Howard; Cherundolo, DeMerit, Onyewu, Bocanegra (c); Donovan, Bradley, Clark, Dempsey; Altidore, Findley
Anyone watch the E:60 Dempsey story? I feel sorry for the guy loosing his sister when she was just 16.
anyone got a stream?
There was copyright infringement block on the channel. That's a no go.
Justin.tv should have one...and Univision is streaming all games (tho it's in Spanish...)
Somebody tell these fat chicks that wearing a girdle doesn't mean you actually lost six inches in the waist.
Hoping for a win, but expecting a 2-2 draw.
I'm hoping we can score against them! We have some really good strikers, they should keep it really close.
USA USA USA
Also, thanks for the terrible performance this morning, Greece. Chamenoi gamimeno. An akouso ena elliniko anafero to Euro 2004 kai simera pao na ftysoun sto prosopo tou.
I'll call the goals, Rooney,Lampard/Boca,Dempsey
That's all, I'm off to the bar.
USA! USA! USA! USA!
The USA-Costa Rica game I went to last year was the second most exciting sporting event I've ever been to, after Michigan games. I can't wait till 2:30
When does the game start?
I beilieve the actual game isn't beginning till 2:30est. Another 45 minutes of pregame left.
Whomever invented those freaking South African buzzing noisemakers, please contract gonorrhea and die.
I wont make it 2 hours with the sound on.
i think there cool, there better than the cowbells in my opinion.
*they're, *they're, *more annoying than
Findlay starting WTF! Bad decision....
I'm really behind on USA soccer... what's bad about him starting and in your opinion what is a better option?
[not being rude here - I really don't know and am curious]
Playing any two strikers against a top-10 team like England with our shaky back line is borderline retarded in my view. It is a huge gamble that I don't think is necessary to score and could prove fatal if Rooney and Co. get loose in the open field.
Picking a striker who, though athletic, doesn't score goals in MLS (a crap league) instead of someone like Gomez (plays in the better Mexican league and scored a lot of goals this year) or Buddle (on fire scoring goals in crappy MLS and plays well with Donovan who is probably our most important player) is questionable. In my opinion playing any striker we have (as you can see the options are limited) over defensive minded midfielders like Edu (plays regularly for the best team in Scotland) or Holden (plays regularly for a middle of the pack team in the EPL) who are actually decent players internationally and could provide much needed support for our back line makes no sense.
That helps... not only answered the question but also gave insight to some guys I don't know anything about. Thank you sir.
When did Capello go completely mental? Lampard/Gerrard alone with no holding help. Old, fat, out of form Heskey over Crouch or Defoe. We've got a shot against this group and I can't wait to see the meltdown when it happens.
Gerrard is likely going to play the holding role until Barry's healthy. Takes away some attacking options but fills Barry's gap pretty effectively.
Frank is completely useless in the middle of the park. Gerrard has to do all the dirty work and play basically two spots with this lineup. He also can't get forward like he would want and like the US would/should fear. There is a reason the English didn't qualify in 2008 and much of it has to do with playing these two together. Just watch the closeups during the game of Gerrard cursing under his breath at all the clean up duty he'll have to shoulder the load for.
I've never been a Lampard fan and this lineup completely wastes Gerrard's talent. The problem with moving Gerrard forward or on the wing is that there is no one else but Barry who can play holding midfield and I have no faith in the English defence right now.
you mean defense, right? we speak English here, not British.
Findlay lacks the skill for this level. Yes. He is fast but thats it. When we played the Netherlands two months ago, he looked lost. I'm hoping he plays well tonight though and proves me wrong.
Anyone else attend the '94 games in Detroit? My Father and I were directly behind the goal that Wynalda scored in against the Swiss. The building was 147 degrees but that goal was awesome.
I remember that goal like yesterday. I wish I was little older to appreciate it more thought. I also got to see Brazil play at the Silverdome!
How is Russell Brand banging Katy Perry? Attention Merriam-Webster's, unjust has a new entry!
I tracked the odds in a section of my Day 2 preview post at the JCB today.
As of now, here's what the prices are:
Draw +300 (3/1)
US +600 (6/1)
O/U 2.5 goals
Man, the US was like 3/1 when the lines came out weeks ago.
Anybody else read The Beckham Experiment? I chuckle a little bit everytime I see that ESPN/ABC has Lalas and Gullit in the same analysis team.
take a shinguard to the crumpets!!!
I'm actually pretty ok with Clark and Findley instead of Edu or Torres and Buddle. I don't think the US will see a lot of possession today, and I think Findley is more dangerous on the counterattack than Buddle. Also, Clark instead of Torres strikes me as good if you aren't going to have the ball anyways.
Land of the free home of the brave baby lets get this thing started!!!
So is England rocking polo shirts as jerseys? Just wonderin'.
Well, that is a great start!
How bad is that for us? A Michigan football analogy would be helpful.
returning the opening kick-off for a score
I'd take a draw at this point already.
That is kind of what I thought, just didn't know what level of anger I should be at.
And defenses so good that that might be the only score.
Not that these Ds are good, but a 1-0 result in soccer is quite possible. So 1st goal is huge.
.....on their first 3 possessions.
Agreed. Late and sloppy..
ummmm, not a good paly by clark at all... he had a nice view of the whole thing though.
paly in traffic if you ask me!
I tend to agree. there seems to be a couple better choices and I suspect we will see one of them before long.
well, if they're allowed to stab at Tim Howard like that this game will be over in 30 minutes.
Take a shot and send the corner into the box. Enough of this short shit.
The short corners were good changeups. I thought on the last one he should have put the cross in the air, though.
Last fall weren't you the one that told me you were headed to Marine boot camp this spring?
Are you in the Marines or did that not happen?
if you must know.
No big deal it happens. Marine surgeon general or whatever the main health department in it didn't pass on my asthma waiver despite the fact I haven't had an massive attack since 1999. I'm trying to process with the National Guard right now they are a little more lenient with those issues. If I'm not fit I'm not fit almost 60% of American males in America aren't fit for the service right now which is pretty shocking.
They needed that shot!!!!
soooo close there just couldn't connect!
Winners so far go to people who bet these:
Gerrard to score first goal of game: 6/1
First goal of game within the first 10 minutes: 3.5/1
Did you get in on it?
why do we have to look at England's coach every 30 secinds?
His awesome glasses are a magnet. Those are borderline goggles (Rec Specs).
F'ing magnets, how do they work?
as I am not a soccer fan, but I'm trying to watch this game, and I had a question. What in the hell is that buzzing sound in the stadium? I know I've read about it before, but I can't remember. Thanks
South African trumpet things. Highly annoying.
hand em out to everyone entering the game? jeez that's loud and constant
I work with an equally annoying South African in my lab. He takes every opportunity to tell me it's a sign of high culture and that every good SA soccor fan has one.
that's just blowing on something. that would make college girls of high culture too then!
The same kid tells me a 40,000 person stadium is 'pretty big for a world event'.
I end up laughing at him a lot.
a normal baseball crowd? you should show him football crowds. Big Ten has 3 over 100,000 and that's just for regular season football.
After 20 minutes of listening to the buzzing, I couldn't stand it anymore and asked my wife to mute the TV.....I could actually feel my blood pressure dropping with the blessed silence.
African fog horns.
sry double post.
There's the card!
Hesky went in studs up. Bastard.
Poor bastard is getting no help from his back line at all. Looks like our safeties the last 2 yrs with guys getting behind them time after time!
The English players leave their feet so much!
magic spray stuff!!
Missed first 30 minutes. Anyone got a two sentence summary?
That sums it up
Vuvuzela really loud
USA down by a goal
Haiku for the win!
I didn't realize Drew Gooden was a two sport star. That is pretty cool!
I'll take it!
Green flubs it!
USA USA USA
Hellz yeah Dempsey
Sweet! Tommy LIKEY!!
Clint Dempsey GOOOOAAAALLLLL!!!!!!!!
Vuvuzela still bad
USA ties is up even
Haiku for the win!
they don't normally off guys for their futbol play in England.... but they may just start.
what a soft one lol I'll take it though!!!! USA
"One of the softest goals you will ever see in this level of football!"
Aw, fuck it. I had a nice goal light and can't make it go here.
I think that's the type of goal that is labeled:
What a horrible play by Green. Has this game been this fast paced all the way through? Or does my presence just bring the heat?
from a soccer novice, I've been entertained. It's been a pretty good paced game.
I think the pace has been pretty good. Definitely the best of the games I've seen so far. Very much back and forth.
Commentator... "if you buy a ticket, sometimes you win the raffle." He's been waiting a long time to say that one.
I thought I was streaming an Australian feed, and I heard the same thing. Are you using the same feed, or is this awful announcer on all feeds?
but we'll take it! I still would like to see the US be more attacking, but now I wonder if they'll play for the tie, which would almost assure them of getting to the second round.
Just got a pretty interesting text from a friend of mine who's a big soccer buff. "Marc Andre Fleury plays soccer now!?" hahahaha thats great
to be 1-1 at the half
Woo! I think we got the momentum there to end it. Quick beer run!
tea into the pond outside my apartment. Actually, I don't have tea so I chucked a packet of Swiss Miss hot cocoa from my patio.
Wrong country, fool
Now I see why SI said that any one of our three goalies could start for England.
From ESPN's profile on Robert Green:
Style: Confident, calm, a goalkeeper who does the simple things well.
Pick it out you fucking Nigel! Nothing fills me with joy more than another sorry ass English keeper. All we need is a heavenly helping hand on the next one and they'll be throwing themselves in the Thames.
to show off my new avatar. :)
Is it just me or is this broadcast utter garbage? They go to long, slow motion replays every 90 seconds, cutting away from the live action to show Capello yelling or Howard wincing. I don't give a fuck about that. Stop cutting the live feed to show tedious replays. ESPN's broadcasts have been good so far, but this is rubbish.
Also, lol Robert Green.
Yes. I hate these slo-mo replays of guys pulling their shirt over their head. I mean, who thinks these things up?
If I know anything about fighting the English, it's "aim small, miss small". Second half, lets do this!
HOw did you get a picture up of the USA MVP so fast?
New U.S. strategy: let Heskey do whatever he wants?
strong in the position of goaltending it runs.
Whatever it is... I'm thinking Altidore's fake 40 isn't very fake.
That's a red if Michael Bradley does it. Crap.
And a much-deserved booking it was, too.
Here it comes again for Gerrard.
Wow, I simply love Onyewu's neck beard.
That thing has got to go.
If by 'go' you mean 'the entire team needs to grow theirs to match'...then yes.
What a run by Jozy!
ARGH I almost feel like Altidore HAS to score on that one.
scared my cat half to death, i believe
once they stop the bleeding is he allowed to just jump back on the field?
anyone else get really nervous every time england pushes forward? i dont trust the back line at all...
not marking very well back there.
Letting Rooney go all by himself behind the play doesn't seem like a very sound strategy.
Oh man, like a brick wall on that.
Jeez. Does anyone mark an attacker, or is this six-year-old soccer where we all swarm the ball?
I was wondering the same thing.
Reminds me of a story. Went to see my niece play when she was around that age. All the other kids would swarm the ball, but she stayed in her left back position. I was shocked that she was so disciplined but she always had her hands in her pockets. After the game i asked her why she didng chase the ball and why she kept her hands in her pockets. She said she had cookies in her pockets and didn't want the other kids to know.
Not happy to see that Rooney is starting to feature regularly.
I've noticed (from the thread here) that subbing Findley out is a good thing so I'm not advocating his return. My question is if he can return or once you sub out you are done for the day?
Starters can return to games in baseball. Subs who enter the game that are removed are done. And unrelated but also routinely screwed up, a pitcher can come back onto the mound as long as he doesn't leave the lineup between times on the mound. He can only return to the mound once though.
thank you, now torres please.
I was watching a Spanish feed because it was the best HD feed I could find, and the announcers love Crouch. Every time he touched the ball it was CROUUUUUUUUCH
Sounded like he was saying "We need a CRRRRRRROUUUUCH!!"
Heskey out for England. Small sigh of relief, seems like Heskey's been all over the place.
Good recovery on that.
Great play by The Bearded One.
Spending way too much of this last 15 minutes in our own end.
Was that FOUR minutes?
4 minutes. So much for that.
SHOOT THE FUCKING BALL!!
Any estimations on extra time? Edit: Nevermind. About 4 minutes.
Thanks to all for answering the questions. Should make it more enjoyable to watch the rest of the World Cup.
...to have a problem defeating the US....going back to the Revolution.
We just kissed our sister! Or mother.... or something like that. All I know is they had bad teeth and smelled of hot tea.
..."kissing" Bubba, that ain't so bad...
Do you have anything from page three?
Working on some SFW hold on
Talking trash over a tie seems a little Spartyish of us.
I guess I found the attitude of English fans and of publications like that a little more than arrogant and it's kind of funny to see it already blowing up in their faces to an extent.
Brilliant. Gotta give the man of the match to Tim Howard, he was the difference. I can absolutely live with a draw.
Ditto. Never thought you could get much schadenfreude out of a tie, but the Brit tabloids are gonna go apeshit. Poor Green is gonna be crucified.
with a good result, Findley might get another start.
We could be in really good position if we beat Slovenia on Friday
"Robert Green has just lost me £3300."
As the kids say....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
bet he's not the only one.
I agree with you choices. DeMerit did a great job is neutralizing Rooney. Rooney first touch came on the 17th and his first touch in the box came in the 71st.
I think you'd take 1-1 every time going into this situation. Glad Green wasn't wearing the same white shorts as his friends or it would have gotten ugly when he shit himself on that goal. Dempsey and (especially) Donovan are fucking class. Tim Howard is a fucking LEGEND! Bob Bradley is still completely clueless (Can we ever higher a proper professional manager?). His son is almost as bad (had acres of space in the middle of the park a number of times and just sat there like he was waiting for a bus). Our back line is unbelievably schizophrenic. Made a number of good plays but we were ridiculously lucky to concede just one with the chances England got (Did I mention Tim Howard is a fucking LEGEND?).
All in all, the English side are still a bag of pish and I loved every second of the humping we just put on them (in my head 1-1 has already become a magnificent victory). Time to break out the good Scotch and start celebrating.
My friends enjoyed it too if you're looking for a laugh at the expense of our enemies:
I apologize, I haven't got time to read the thread, but I wanted to ask what is that 'buzzing' that seems to accompany every soccer game I ever watch? Reverb? You never hear it with college football...I gotta go, kthxbye!
Vuvuzelas, the official noise maker of the locals. Looks like those long plastic horns you sometimes see at sporting events. Buzzes like a mosquito. I like it. Many many many don't.
Could they have come up with a dirtier sounding name...?
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT
Show me this before the game and I would have guessed the US loses. That many set plays, being out-shot. I would have guessed England skims past at a 2-1 margin.
AMERICA NUMBER ONE
ROONEY IS STANK
TIM HOWARD IS INDESTRUCTIBLE
I feel awful for Green. I am glad he did it and gift wrapped the US a point, but I don't wish that on anyone. I hope for his sake he keeps the job and gets a few good games in before England loses in penalties in the quarterfinals.
The English can start their "Not Fit to Wear the Shirt" chanting all they want, but this sort of thing is just what England goalkeepers do.
Or my personal favorite:
Crushed the AD with a USA Chant. Holla.
1) How Carragher wasn't sent off I'll never know. The yellow that he got could have been a straight red (US players have gotten one for less in past World Cups). Then when Findley got the breakaway, Carragher hauled him down from behind. Looked like a clear foul on the replay (not a particularly hard one, but a foul nonetheless), and a foul by the last man back on a breakaway is almost always a red. I was watching at a bar and couldn't hear the commentary (or the swarm of angry bees), so I don't know what they thought of it, but if it's a foul at all - and it sure looked like it - given that he's already on a yellow he's absolutely gone.
2) Howard is a beast.
3) There needs to be a "Robert Green for Golden Ball" (or "Robert Green for Yashin") Yakety Sax video. (The Golden Ball is the World Cup's equivalent of the Heisman; the Yashin Award is best keeper.)
We didn't use the width of the field at all. Obviously, I'm thankful for the draw but, holy shit!! I was really struck by how poorly the defensive shape of the USA was compared to the few games that have already played. Tim Howard needs to rest the ribs and be ready on Friday - without him, we are toast! Oh, one last thing... Coach, TAKE YOUR SON OUT OF THE GAME WHEN HE STOPS RUNNING WITH 20 MINUTES LEFT TO PLAY! (jmho)