USA Curling

Submitted by drboud on
USA puts back in The Shus and it pays off!! Nothing like sitting Tate after a loss, then putting in Robinson, getting a win, then returning Tate to the line-up as a slot receiver, then proceeding to beat Penn State (Sweden was #2 with a 3-1 record). USA medal in curling after a terrible start??? Maybe...?

jehu22

February 20th, 2010 at 7:14 PM ^

They basicalyl need to win out, which means being consistent. One thing Shuster and Smith haven't been all tournament is consistent. Ultimately they'll choke in the end.

NYC Fan

February 20th, 2010 at 8:44 PM ^

You talk as you know of Curling, is it as difficult as the skips on the US have made it? Needing to put a stone in an eight foot circle at one point and coming up short just seemed like a colossal fail. Can you draw a comparison for those of us who are only witnesses?

clarkiefromcanada

February 20th, 2010 at 9:39 PM ^

Curling is really difficult since your shots involve a bunch of variables a) the call which involves where the guy at the other end holds the broom or aiming point. If the call is wrong you don't make the shot since it over/undercurls and you just miss. b) your release (either inturn or outturn on the handle) so whether or not you release it at the target or tight (inside) or wide/fat (outside) also a key determining factor. c) the sweeping (curling ice is "pebbled" with hot water when it is cleaned (this is kind of like a guy spreading a light rain on the ice and it creates the surface on which rocks can be swept and also why there is a slight roaring sound from the rock running surface)...when you sweep a rock it microscopically heats the pebble which limits the curl on the rock (making it slide straighter) but also makes the rock slide further. d) your sweepers judging the weight you threw. You notice these guys all time or clock the shots meaning they use stop watches to understand how hard the shooter pushes out (usually back line or t-line to hog line) so they know +/- if the guy is hot or slow or if they need to sweep a lot or not. Problem is, if the shooter chokes the rock or pulls back/adds a bit of push then it screws your clock time. This can be a big problem. e) the ice changes a lot depending on the humidity or conditions within the venue (i.e., there is more or less "curl" in it. The amount of curl (say 3 feet from the aiming point where the 3rd is holding the broom) might be more or less as the game progresses and skips need to call this f) the "fudge" factor: this is difficult to capture but Shuster ate one on this issue when his sweepers did not account that his was the only game on the ice. The ice can become frosty when there is only one team left on the ice (i.e., in extra ends) and this makes it begin to "fudge" as the frost creeps onto the ice and makes rocks glide less easily. Practically, when you stop sweeping a rock it slows down quicker. On one occasion this happened to Shuster when his 3rd making the line call put the sweepers off the rock and it basically died just a bit short of the target. There is a bit more to it, such as the impact of 5 or 6 thousand yelling Canadians (though at our national events there is never yelling at delivery...the Olympic crowds are not educated curling fans per se) and pressure of the moment. To my mind, Shuster choked two shots but his sweepers and third owe him the other two. At the elite level you should always be able to hit full 8 foot (the white rings) but it takes the coordinated effort of 4 guys and not just one. Hope this helps; if you're near a club give it a shot.

clarkiefromcanada

February 21st, 2010 at 11:29 AM ^

I'm just doing my part to sort out the shuffleboard on ice perceptions; I just provided a pretty simple overview. On the ice it's a lot more complex from a strategy standpoint and the ice conditions are more nuanced than I described but it's hard to type it in a few short paragraphs (i.e., runs that develop in the ice keeping shots straighter, the "dish" of the ice (where the ice is actually slightly higher on the outside than inside creating concave surface that increases the total amount of curl). The tv analysts in Canada do a nice job with this stuff; my wife is now quite expert on all of this after too many years of attending my events and watching the tv.

Pea-Tear Gryphon

February 20th, 2010 at 7:23 PM ^

Just had a chance to get the extra point in the 9th end and left it short. What is it with US skips choking? Maybe we can steal one in the 10th and keep it going. Man, curling is riveting...

samsoccer7

February 20th, 2010 at 8:06 PM ^

I also can't pull away from curling. I get sucked in then can't turn the TV off or change the channel. Great victory by the U.S. women stealing a point in the 10th and 11th ends while GB had the hammer. I have to say though that the U.S. skip is not good, and I think the only reason they don't demote her to third is that her dad's the coach. Hmmmm.....

gbdub

February 21st, 2010 at 1:20 PM ^

McCormick is having even more trouble with her draws than Shuster was. At the moment they are down 6-1 to Canada, and McCormick mis-draws have literally cost them 7 points. The Olympics hate our skips. Maybe they should swap the third and fourth, like they did with the men? Seems like a similar situation.

clarkiefromcanada

February 21st, 2010 at 1:53 PM ^

You do know Deb McCormick was born in Canada. Anyway, I think if she had played that draw to the other side, at worst, she settles on the back rock if she is heavy. That said, it's not McCormick's fault the Canadians made just an exceptional raise to set up the 3 and ultimately 4. Even if she makes that stuff perfectly she still gives up 2 and quite likely 3. Just sayin.

might and main

February 21st, 2010 at 7:40 PM ^

is the lack of referees. I did see a guy measure who had the closer stone (rock?) the other day, but otherwise from what I've seen these competitions don't have much interference from refs. I like it.