I'm not watching unless Derrick Green commits to Michigan
US Army All-American Bowl Thread
I'm not watching unless Derrick Green commits to Michigan
Just started and no he hasn't lol. Lots of USC love to start off, but these teams look better and less sloppy than the Under Armour game
I hope no one commits to USC or ND or else Jay-Z is going to get cray up in here.
Nicely done sir.
Derrick Green has been introduced with "Michigan as his leader"...also good to hear
Announcing with Michigan offer:
#8 NJ DE Al-Quadine Muhammad
#17 KY WR James Quick
#31 CA DE Joe Mathis
for any of these guys are slim and slim fast.
I cant find which channel is showing the game. Damn it!
I'm looking forward to seeing how Fuller plays after Hargraves tore up the UA game. I think these guys are the two truly ELITE CBs in the country. Also interested to see Max Browne - he seems like the real deal.
Then of course, Thomas, Lewis and Green.
Max browne played in the UA game the other day. After watching these games for 2 years now I think i'll skip the Under Armor game. It was a huge mess
Max Browne is the big, tall, starting QB for the West team in this here Army game. Not sure how you missed him.
Max Browne- Max Redfield... seriously like 2 families would name their kids MAx in the same year!
Looking forward to watching Green and Dymonte especially. Dymonte's gonna light some people up
Go Blue, Green!
Here's where it goes downhill...
USC has 6 five stars? Jesus, to live and die and LA... it really must be the place to be.
Will be blue. He is just doing what any 18 year old kid would do. Go get fawned over before making his committment. Michigan vs. ND BCS Championship 2015. Book it
Green seems like a pretty mature kid with a good head on his shoulders. Love the "word is my bond" comment.
Any idiots want to call him a prima donna now?
OSU looks to get a couple...I am hoping they don't though
Do want Derrick Green.
Nice to see him on the back end getting his teammates lined up correctly.
13 USC guys? By golly...
Makes you not even wanna watch anymore, doesn't it?
All that while under sanctions and being coached by an idiot. Who ever becomes their next coach is gonna be one lucky man.
I feel like we're watching the Oregon spring game. Can that yellow get any brighter?
3 & 2 ..give Green the ball
Awesome Michigan promo...we'll need to get that up here on the blog!
Good pub right there going into commercial. A little corny but good pub nonetheless
Thomas is gonna be a stud here
Anyone else having technical issues?
Apparently houston area comcast isnt showing the game. Bullshit the game is in San Antonio!
Those numbers are ridiculous...
gotta lay out for that!
(MSU hat was on the table)
MSU hat? Wtf?
Another one not going to MSU. Good good.
Every recruit has total bust potential.
You will haz a happy and haz a sad? huh?
This is one of the stupidest comments I've heard in a while
Why does every player wear a visor in these games? Are you required to wear at least 23 pieces of flair?
I'd wear one too. Keep fingers and cleats out of my eyes Plz
MOAR FREE SHIT!!
Those tiny pieces of turf...
C'mon East coaches...let the #1 RB in the country run his way to Ann Arbor.
Edit: Nevermind - thank you East.
Green = Beast
He's sitting next to Dymonte on the bench. OMG Silent Commit!!!!
Note: Sitting on the bench, seems fine...just a boo boo.
Green sat next to Dymonte!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Commence reading into all of the things.
This is much better to watch than the UA one.
...and not a show.
It just sucks that it's diluted and UA took a lot of the top players. This game used to be VERY fun to watch. It was like watching an early season CFB game. Still good, but not as many playmakers as they used to have pre-UA.
Agreed...with caveat of these being 17-19 yr old young men, in my estimation the Under Armour game had better prospects who were more skillful and physically ready for FBS.
I disagree completely. I think there's more talent in the Army game.
It's the top 180 players in the country...it's not like they got 1-90 and Army got 91-180.
Army has a 6'3, 245lb RB...or Derrick Green and Max Browne who are physically ready to play next year. Kendall Fuller will play next year for the Hokies (wish he was opposite Countess).
What do you expect? The Under Armour game is driven by the recruiting prowess of ESPN.
Him not pick sparty
So Green works out a bit, huh? I'll be damned.
Indiana has a commit in this game? halol
My man refused to use the screen, lol...
Must be a Buckeye commit
Dymonte is playing FS in this game...is that where you see him at Michigan or would he play SS?
No, I think he'll be a SS. He basically played LB in high school. I don't like moving guys back in the defense, but going from LB to SS isn't a big deal because of the way Mattison uses his strong safeties.
I also would like to see us find that ball hawking, Ed Reed type FS that is more of a CB than a LB.
With that said, do you think Thomas has a legit shot to replace Kovacs next year?
I wouldn't rule it completely out, but I don't think anyone likes freshman safeties. He probably needs to spend at least one year backing up whoever wins the SS job, whether it's Thomas Gordon or Marvin Robinson.
Do you think it's more likely that Marvin Robinson wins the SS job and Gordon continues to play FS or do you think the coaches slide Gordon over to SS and see if Wilson can play FS?
If the new season started today, I'd guess Gordon would stay at FS and Robinson would start at SS. Wilson had some issues this past year. But if he can get those things cleaned up in the spring, then I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilsin at FS and Gordon slide over to SS. Gordon is more naturally a SS, and Wilson offers speed that Robinson doesn't have.
Shane was in this game instead of that UA farce
Green looked a little banged up to me on that TD drive, he woulda prolly scored that TD, hope he's ok
But the glitz and glam of ESPN and UA is making that "game" bigger every year.
It's also more focused on 1 on 1 battles and the week leading to the game. Army is more of an all-star game...UA is more of a showcase.
I hate to say it, but Shane Morris would look bad in this game, too. He's not ready for this level of competition yet.
Just a year to get bigger, stronger, learn the offense and get acclimated to college.
Glad to see he's okay...
in this beauty contest.
Yeah we already had half of them hurt before the game. We really don't need any more injuries.
...and I believe he's the DL coach.
They've also go a new stadium.
in the MAACO Bowl. From what they showed on TV (from UW's marketing department, granted) it looked absolutely incredible. We've seen firsthand what the renovations at Crisler did for recruiting; imagine how much a whole stadium could help.
This was expected.
USC jilted for once.
Scout has commit predictions for the game, their 2-2 so far... They only have one guy going to OSU (3 players announcing have them as their finalists...) I hope they get even less.
What does Tosh Lupoi do that other coaches don't?
He's a CIA operative who specializes in psy ops.
I wonder if Shane chose to play in the UA game because he knew he would have a chance to work on Laquan for a week, i wouldnt bet against it
He was at the combines and showcases last year...just like there are juniors at the Army combine now. You pretty much know over a year in advance. Shane also played 7v7 over the summer on the Disney/ESPN circuit.
Both he and LaQuon have been a part of that system for awhile now.
was michigan in on this guy in the past or was that another guy i am thinking of?
also i really think public speaking or at least a speech class should be offered in the high schools so maybe these kids could actually put a sentence together,pronounce a word properly,and have the ability to communicate. what do you think hoke thinks when he meets some of these kids?
Every year when these kids talk it makes me think we need to focus on education.
I know right because announcing on national tv isn't scary at all...
Michigan used to be in on him, but they stopped recruiting him several months ago.
Because Corey Robinson sounds like an idiot right now...
Dymonte Thomas IS. A. BEAST.
How long before Wilson/Thomas see the field together...if ever?
I think they'll be the starting safeties in 2014.
Depends on if Wilson can bump Gordon to SS next year.
Say what you want about our abomination jerseys, but thank GOd we didn't look that bad with the split helmets.
is hurt right? That's why he's not playing I presume.
So Magnus, how come you think Shane isn't ready for this level yet, competition in HS, mechanics?
Yeah, Fox has a torn ACL.
Shane's mechanics are fine. But his high school competition wasn't very good, he missed a big chunk of his senior year, and he stares down receivers. I don't think he's ever thrown a ball to his right. He's also a pocket passer, and the pass protection in these all-star games is questionable. He'll get there eventually, but he's not there yet.
Magnus, you've been around these parts for quite some time. Now what makes you think that rationality has any place here? You seem to be forgetting that everyone else on this message board graduated high school and immediately started their post doctorate at Yale. So why can't Shane do the same thing with football?
I guess it's because I graduated high school and immediately started my post-doctorate at Brown.
let's hope he is indeed the real deal
much like the Semper Fei game...this game also looks light years better than that ESPN production last night.
Coach Jack can take care of that...
Now they give him the ball and he missles his way for a 1st down.
hits the hole, goes north and south, please come to Michigan, even the announcer says you look like a Wolverine, yessss
I wonder if he has long speed.
As opposed to short speed?
Or if he can keep that burst for extended runs of 50-60 and beyond
I agree Woodson, he does look like a Michigan back.
Green looks faster and quikcer than I expected, but I haven't seen him break tackles or run over anyone the way I would expect a guy of his stature to.
He's got to lower his pad level a little bit...I haven't seen him lower his shoulder and guys and just grabbing his legs and dragging him down.
With that said, it's down after 7-8 yards.
Agree...his vision looks pretty good though.
Anyone seen him out there?
Yup...seen him standing around a lot. He's been in quite a few snaps, but I haven't seen him thrown at yet. But, he sure looks good standing there lol
I saw him, but not for long. He didn't get beat...so that's good.
sucks he's going to ND.
Oh well, I'll take a Green for their Smith.
Did you guys know Robinson and Smith are going to ND?
Good God. I DON'T CARE ABOUT DAVID ROBINSON
This is on NBC and they slurp the Irish like ESPN slurps the SEC....
So when's BTN gonna start their own all-star game? They should hijack the Semper Fidelis game and only talk about how great the big ten recruits are
Weezy F. Baby.
I was slightly hoping when lemming left the pro ND Army game would at least subside a little bit....I was wrong about that.
David Robinson served in our country's military and has a son in the game. Let it go.
David Robinson was in the Navy.
Happy for his son though.
How many WRs can one school have?
TAMU says 10.
loses out on a prospect.
Now knows why every kid in the country is going to TAMU.
Thanks Mike. Can I get the lottery numbers?
What are they going to do with ten wide recievers? I think I heard that right
Now that they're in the SEC and don't have to follow any rules, they're going to run the A-10 offense next year.
I think that is their 35th recruit in this class. A&M is picking up that SEC oversigning thing like a champ!
Also early enrollees and redshirts.
We can't play 6 OLmen at the same time, but we'll be fine just like A&M.
loses out on a prospect. Stevens could be a pretty good WR at A&M.
How many commits does TAMU have now? they have really gotten acclimated to the sec nicely lol
This is turning into one big advertisement for ND, NBC, Rivals, ND, the Robinson (ND), and ND occasionally interupted by a play. NBC does it again.
...now can we just move on and understand what's going on?
This is NBC, not the B1G Network.
sounds like alabama is having the same "problem" at RB as TAMU is at WR
Bama has 3 RBs in this game...wtf? How does Saban do it? Plus Lacy is coming back and Yeldon is a true freshman. I don't understand how he convinces that many guys at the same position of a high caliber to sign.
Medical gray shirts. He gets 5 recruiting classes every 4 years. Pretty solid advantage when you can cut (gray shirt) your busts
Gray shirts don't work like that. They work where an incoming recruit, like say Luke Del Rio pay their own way an doesn't get a scholarship to the team. Or the player just flat out delays their enrollment half a year. They are told if a scholly opens up in the winter or spring, then they can get one.
Don't forget about Dee Hart
After coming back from two ACL's and with all of those RBs coming in behind him, I doubt Dee ever sees the field again for Alabama. We'll probably hear transfer rumors around July/August when Bama needs to get down to 85 scholarships.
...wait, shouldn't it be the other way around?
...but looks taller.
A redshirt year and he'll be just fine.
might not hurt either.
McDonald's in Ann Arbor? Hard to get to.
I'm thinking he needs a few Baconators...
And a quint a day at Blimpy would work too....although I hope he'll be able to get a Blimpy!
Caught the end of first half and ND's back was getting the carries. Anyone have numbers for Green?
Can we haz Derrick Green?
2009 called. They want "can we haz" back.
he picked Miami, doesn't effect us, haha ND
Also, was that his dad with the Lions cap?
Also, also...ohio getting whooped by Illini in BBall
Sweet. Picks Miami over ND.
Was it just me or was his dad wearing a Detroit Lions winter hat?
Helmet to helmet...pretty dirty hit there....made no attempt to wrap up.
in this game last year? Anyone remember?
Michigan on hopefully michigan tackle
Derrick fricken Green!!!!
Dude is huge and legit runs like a 4.5 or something. He's apparently a monster in 7-on-7 and can lock down WRs even though he's an LB. That said, he could be suffering from the "Oh crap, now I'm playing against people who can actually play" type of thing that most kids who dominate lesser competition suffer from.
running we need from Green in AA, nice sweep run
it was Jourdan Lewis who tackled him
Wow! That D Green is good. Oh how I salivate about a potential commitment.
for a TD here please, he's earned the chance
Oh shocking, the NBC guys are talking about the speed on D for ND. I really should just mute this game...but it's more fun to complain!
ND has a TV deal with NBC.....what were u expecting.
Unfortunately I think Jaylon Smith is the best player in this game.
by the QB's in this senior class so far, I know it's tough in these games but I've seen QB's in the past look way better than this crop.
Yeah, there aren't a lot of quality quarterbacks in this class. I've been saying that since I watched the "elite" quarterbacks at The Opening. Browne is going to be good, Morris will get there eventually, and I like Brice Ramsey. I'm sure there will be some other guys to emerge in college, but it's a weak class.
FWIW, I was really impressed by Hackenberg yesterday. Great touch and accuracy.
Huh? Hackenberg looked bad as always.
OK. Agree to disagree. The Scout guys that were there seemed impressed by him as well... again, FWIW.
He was 4/16 for 34 yards, 0 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, and 2 sacks. I don't see how anyone could be impressed by that.
I don't think any of the quarterbacks in that game were impressive, but I'd take a few of the participants in that game over Hackenberg.
True, but he had a LOT of drops (I know... standard excuse for why one's favored QB doesn't have good stats). Most of the QBs were no where close to their intended receivers.
Some quotes from Scout.com
"Christian Hackenberg has been the best and most consistent quarterback on either team throughout the week" - Scout National Recruiting Analyst Brandon Huffman
Love when these guys don't pick Ohio.
It was already expected that he wasn't going to go to OSU from inside reports. No shock here but Mitchell is expected to commit later today.
Can't blame him. If UL isn't on the upswing, OSU's chances are great, but I wouldn't turn down my hometown team either in this scenario.
how much inside you need to get, but last time I took a look at 11w they were at least 50-50.
Yeah, I think they originally had him at that between OSU and Lou but one of the writers said it was a no go a few days earlier. I think in the end he wanted to be at home and the win over Florida might have done that too. Moreover, with Teddy Bridgewater being able to throw a ball (we're not sure about Miller as a passer yet), Quick will be able to make some really good plays. Good pick up for the Cardinals!
11 Warriors is not the best place to look if you want an unbiased opinion.
There are still people here who think that Josh Garnett is going to pick Michigan.
People more inside than 11 Warriors expected Quick to pick Louisville.
The staff at 11w expected Quick to go to UL. Anything in the forums is inherently biased fanhood, no harm there.
It was more like cautious optimism, but most people weren't really buying the 50/50 thing. I actually think Shelton Gibson is better as a deep threat, because he's a more physical receiver with comparable speed.
Can we count this as a victory?
Louisville is a better fit for you and U-M
Quick to Louisville
The only thing that will make me happy here is if MM commits somewhere other than OSU
by Fuller on that PI
How is that a PI? He had better position than the WR.
After taking a quick look at the link Magnus put up from previous UM commits at this game from the past 5 years, I'm wondering what's all the fuss about?
Kyle Kalis, OL - Lakewood, OH
Royce Jenkins-Stone, LB - Detroit, MI
Erik Magnuson, OL - Carlsbad, CA
Ondre Pipkins, DT - Kansas City, MO
James Ross, LB - Orchard Lake, MI
Blake Countess, CB - Olney, MD
Matt Wile, K - San Diego, CA
Cullen Christian, CB - Pittsburgh, PA
Will Hagerup, P - Whitefish Bay, WI
William Campbell, DT - Detroit, MI
Jeremy Gallon, WR - Apopka, FL
Brendan Gibbons, K - West Palm Beach, FL
Anthony Lalota, DE - Princeton, NJ
Je'Ron Stokes, WR - Pittsburgh, PA
Justin Turner, CB - Massillon, OH
Boubacar Cissoko, CB - Detroit, MI
Sam McGuffie, RB - Houston, TX
Brandon Smith, S - New Brunswick, NJ
How many of those guys have actually gone on to be what we would consider quality players ala all-conference types? It's too early to judge last year's group. Countess looks like he's got the potential. Wile, Hagerup, BWC, Gallon, and Gibbons have been solid contribtors, but nothing to get too excited about. Should we really be excited about any of these guys and expect them to be all-conference types? Not to say we shouldn't, but just a question if this is all hype or if it's a good indicator of who will be good in college.
Maybe it's just an unfortunate coincidence, but I feel like Michigan has had an uncharacteristic lack of success with its recent Army Bowl participants. The players who played for Rich Rodriguez generally didn't do well. Before that things were pretty good, and the jury's still out on the Hoke recruits who participated.
Gotcha, thanks. Hopefully Hoke et al. evals will prove better. What ever happened to Cullen Christian? He was highly ranked, a top 100 guy, has good size for a corner at 6'0" 187...is he still on the team? Pardon my ignormance as I just started really following recruiting other than casually last year.
Cullen Christian is riding the bench at Pitt now.
Gibbons and a gallon don't excite you when they play? Alright Debbie Downer
I like 'em, don't get me wrong, but I see them as solid contrubutors versus elite players. I doubt either have NFL potential for example. You just don't watch them as think "wow"...I guess kinda the eye test. But, definately good players that contribute. This has nothing to do with them as people, just ability fwiw.
Gibbons has very impressive kicking stats. I would not be surprised one iota to see him on an NFL roster in a few years.
I say with the a ton of respect for him for coming back from a dreadful 2010, although it can't be easy to kick for RR. But, I have always gotten the sense that Hoke had to handle him with care to keep him from mentally breaking. Maybe it's like that with all kickers idk. But, there have been times when it seems as though we don't have a ton of confidence in him by going for it on 4th down when kicking a FG would seem logical, he also rarely kicks anything over 40-45yds which seem automatic in the NFL. I think we have gained more confidence over the course of the past two years, and he probably has gains confidence in himself as well. Again, I totally repsect his turnaround, but I just never got the sense he was a great kicker...maybe it's just me.
I don't put much stock in here say or conjecture. I see Gibbons make high pressure game winning/tieing kicks against Virginia Tech, Michigan State, northwestern as well as 90% of all kicks this year. Robbie Gould has been one of the best kickers in the NfL for the past 6 years while still being very sketchy from beyond 45 yards. If gibbons has another successful year next year ill bet he as on Sundays.
You can make stats say whatever you want, here are some. If you look at his stats from 2010 he made 1/5 field goals overall and then we basically stopped using him. In 2011 had a huge improvement and made 13/17. But, he was only 2/5 in field goals from 40-49 yds This year he was 1/3 between 40-49. So even though he's had a good past two years he was only 3/8 from 40-49. I don't think that's great. If you take a guy like Adam Vinatieri he makes between 10-14 a year over 40 yds.
Agreed, Brendan Gibbons is not as good as one of the greatest kickers of all time. Is he better than a guy like Billy Cundiff? I would say yes, and Billy Cundiff has started for multiple teams.
Again, I would compare him to a guy like Robbie Gould, where he isn't going to be successful from beyond 45, but he is quite good from inside that range.
And its much harder to manipulate kicking statistics, as kicking a ball is almost literally the same thing every time. 95% from inside 45 yards is an NfL kicker to me.
Agree to disagree I spose.
Time will tell, to be continued next year.
FWIW, Under Armour All-Americans:
2008 Brandon Moore TE 2008-2012
2008 Dann O’Neill OL 2008
2008 Darryl Stonum WR 2008-2011
2009 Isaiah Bell DB 2009-2011
2009 Taylor Lewan OL 2009-
2009 Craig Roh DL 2009-2012
2010 Devin Gardner QB 2010-
2012 Joe Bolden LB 2012-
2012 Terry Richardson CB 2012-
Including this year's participants...
Yeah, that's pretty much well established at this point, but it's still amazing to actually look back and see it. And it's not like some just didn't work-out at UM, but a lotdidn't accomplish anything at all. I mean Je'ron Stokes can't even crack the depth chart at Bowling Green.
Like a 6 year old...
After two and a half hours watching, I'm convinced the organizers made a conscious effort to put Butt and Boutte on separate teams.
LOL nice offensive PI there on the 2 point conversion.
We look bad! I turned this game off to not watch it yet I still get a score up date. Not looking forward to the rest of this season!
you recruited last year, Trey and Amir along with the other recruits from that class have been subpar performers thus far, especially the big guys
That OSU offer to Quick guess it wasn't committable. Seeing how he's playing in this game, totally understandable. He's a bust.
EDIT: /s just in case.
did Brian predict the score for this game
Mitchell to ohio, bummer but expected
UT is losing a lot of instate talent.
That kid has some big guns for a high schooler. Hopefully he ends up sucking
Said something to Derrick green in the handshake but couldn't make it out. Hopefully it was, "see you in the spring"
Does Derrick Green have a commitment date?? I can't remember. And correct me if I'm wrong but he wil no longer be enrolling early, right?
He has said it will be "sometime in January."
He was never planning to enroll early.
After sitting at #1 for a long stretch in the spring, our misses with top kids (LaQuon, LM3, Fuller, Isaac) and competitors landing 5 & high 4 stars bumped us to 6 in Rivals rankings.
Frustrating to see ND and OSU at #1 and 3, respectively.
It's a little bit of a bummer to see us ranked under 3 teams we lost to this year after being ahead for so long, but just by the Rivals rankings we're very close in the point totals. If, for example, Cameron Hunt were to commit he would push our point total up over 100 points and we'd leapfrog Florida, USC, and Ohio. We're very much in the mix for the top 3 as these classes finish up.
It is a bummer, but on the bright side: our class is #6 in the nation with a shot to still move up a little. The future is very bright.
And really, the difference between the top classes can't be too large. We'll see these guys on the field, where it counts.
Oh God, can we just please, please, PLEASE, kill this meme with fire right now. Just because some teams get kids to commit at All-american games and we get them in the spring means nothing. Would it make you feel better if all our commits in the AA games had committed to us at the actual AA games? Does that make them better? Does that make our class better?
Jesus, we have a top-5ish class depending on which site, and it's ridiculously close how the top classes are. As mentioned above, if we added Cameron Hunt, who is a 'generic' four star, and Green, and we jump all the way to number 3 (above Ohio). Of course this is provided all else stays the same, and it probably won't (but we could end up being helped anyways). Thisis just looking at Rivals, which very much emphasises the very top (only measures the top 20) and gives extrodinary bonuses to their Rivals 250, with an even heavier emphasis on the top-of-the-top. On Scout we're still number 1 because they take class size into account. So is the number 100 prospect 50 points (i.e. the difference between #6 and #4 on the rankings) a better prospect than a 'generic' 4 star? I dunno, we could have that debate, but that's what Rival's rankings measure.
The point is that we have a fantastic class, and the coaches pretty much got it all before the season started. The upper echelon on the recruiting rankings are all so close, the differences in field success will come down to coaching, and getting these types of classes year after year. Considering we now have two consecutive classes of this caliber, I would say we're well on our way to being very good. Of course I would love to see Ohio and ND fall of a cliff, but that's a pretty unrealistic hope unless they hire the completely wrong coach.
OSU and ND do not have better classes than M. Rivals.com is not the end-all be-all when it comes to recruiting rankings. We currently have the #1 class according to Scout.
I have no idea why you're so depressed. The 2013 class is full of guys that were Hoke's staff's first choice. Jeez.
If Shane Morris decommits and goes to OSU, then we can panic.
simply that it's frustrating to see ND and OSU get more recognition (based on Rivals as affiliated with the Army game) at this point.
If we hit on just a couple of our top targets and/or they miss, then we likely keep #1 or 2. It's close.
After losing to both on the field by small margins, winning the mythical recruiting title would steal a little thunder from them.
Yes, because we all know that the one thing that matters is...
...how many prospects have a Michigan hat on their selection tables.
I'm saying you're taking things like whose hat sits on a table too seriously.
Well next year, instead of getting our committments early, we will tell them to hold out until the all star games so they can pick our hats on national tv. wishing green realizes that he can play early and often at michigan instead of the other schools. don't understand why kids go to schools who already have a load of 5 star talent from previous classes playing the same position as they play and get mad when they don't get playing time.