Urbans All-Access on ESPNU
Was watching the Sugar Bowl from this past January and got caught up watching this show that followed.
I don't know man, Urban just seems to me to be too nonchalant in many instances. He comes off like he's the star and ohio is lucky to have him and ooh look at how interesting I am, whatever. I think ohio deserves better to be honest and this whole Urban thing could blow up in their faces. It's gonna be real interesting to see how this all plays out.
Question, who out there as an M Fan would trade Hoke for Urban? I know I wouldn't..
August 15th, 2012 at 10:33 PM ^
August 15th, 2012 at 10:36 PM ^
Hey mods, just delete if this is redundant, sorry, I didn't notice earlier one(s)
August 15th, 2012 at 11:00 PM ^
(....first step is admitting I have an addiction)
August 15th, 2012 at 11:12 PM ^
But know this, I am obsessed, I just didn't click on to the previous topic or whatever. I waste enough time on here, believe me, I'm guilty and not ashamed!!!
Go Blue!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:03 PM ^
It is a DP, but I agree with the sentiment that he will fail because of how high his expectations are. Lose a few times to us and he might flame out like John Cooper.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:17 PM ^
John Cooper was at OSU for 13 years, the same amount of time Coach Carr was here at Michigan. I don't think flaming out means what you think it means.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:49 PM ^
August 15th, 2012 at 11:53 PM ^
It was perfect, they were usually really good and highly rated under him and we beat them most of the time. This is how I would like to see Urbans tenure play out.
August 16th, 2012 at 7:14 AM ^
a buckeye would get loud about the 7 yr stretch, I would just yell and repeat these 2 very important nouns, JOHN & COOPER. It would literally pucker the asses of any ohio clown within 30 feet of me and stop any argument that Blue was having with red. The Cooper years for me ended last november, but is always on defcon 4.
August 17th, 2012 at 12:51 AM ^
Cooper never lost seven in a row to Michigan and was ancient history compared to the dominance they were referencing, so it's not much of a counter.
In fact, Carr's winning percentage vs. Tressel (.143) was worse than Cooper's overall winning percentage vs. Michigan (.192).
August 15th, 2012 at 11:06 PM ^
I most definitely wouldn't trade Hoke for Meyer, but looking at how his offense progressed in while he was coaching at Bowling Green was impressive to say the least. He might come off as nonchalant but there is no doubt the dude can coach. Would I want him at Michigan? Hell no, but that doesn't mean he can't be successful at OSU. I think the biggest issue for Meyer will be his defense and I'm curious to see if he will be hands-off with the coordinator in complete control.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:19 PM ^
I'm kind of excited to see what his offense ends up looking like. There, I said it, and I'm not taking it back either.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:27 PM ^
I'm excited to see his offense get stuffed by Michigan and for the "spread doesn't work in the Big10" articles to start showing up, but aimed at OSU now.
August 16th, 2012 at 10:27 AM ^
The spread is superior to other offenses. It's the only offense that can allow a team with lesser personnel to beat one with superior personnel. If Meyer is allowed to gain traction, and he is able to keep it in his pants around the coeds, he could be very successful in Columbus, where lesser personnel is never an issue.
Meyer had two serious issues in Gainesville. The most publicized issue was that he had at least one affair with a coed. This, of course, was the source of his "family problems." The less-publicized, but more important issue was pressure from the Brantley family and other powerful alums to try and make John Brantley IV into a star at Florida, while training him to be a servicable NFL QB.
In other words, he was under pressure to scuttle the offense that won him two "national championships," solely for the benefit of the Brantley family and their cronies.
My hope is that Meyer has two bad years, gets the same kind of pressure regarding his offense from Ohio alumni, and turns back into the coach who quit on his team twice in less than a year.
August 16th, 2012 at 11:48 AM ^
Try telling that to Navy and Air Force.
August 16th, 2012 at 11:58 AM ^
Superior?? 30 NFL teams would dispute that. However I get the point about lesser personnel and I agree somewhat, although Stanford over the past 3 yrs is a pretty strong counterpoint.
Problem is, going full run first spread is going to lose you certian recruits. Big cannon armed, high IQ quarterbacks, big wideouts with NFL dreams who have no interest in blocking all day for that speedy QB, big NFL style O-lineman who know that the big leagues want them at 330lbs and therefore have no interest in slimming down to 285 and learning to create downfield seals for the aforementioned speedy QB to run thru. Big bruising running backs that are still NFL prototype that spread guys pass on because they are not "shifty" enough in the open field.
My honest impression is, if you're a team that cannot traditionally draw the top level of traditional NFL style players, you should go to a spread style attack. It will give you the best chance to compete with the best. If you're a top tier school with the ability to land NFL bound studs in spades then its probably not for you. This was always my dilema with the whole RR experiment at Michigan. Why?? We had a solid tradition of churning out quality NFL QB's, RB's, 0-Line etc but we were underachieving mostly due to a brutally conservative coaching philosophy. All we needed to do was inject some youth and energy into our coaching staff and foster some creativity in playcalling. We could draw NFL talent and once again can so why settle for slot ninjas, run first QB's, undersized Tailbacks and undraftable O-Lineman and rely on sheme? We were giving the "best" recruits away to OSU, MSU, Wisky and opting of specialized guys that mostly have no chance to excell at the next level. It seems to me thats what indiana, northwestern, minnesota and illinios should be doing to try and beat the NFL loaded Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin's and Penn st.'s of the conference. Its probably their best option, I never thought we needed to resort to it.
August 16th, 2012 at 12:27 PM ^
I don't really disagree about the RBs or QBs, but the OL and WRs I definitely do not agree with you on. Urban has placed multiple WRs in the draft as well as more than one first round OL. He's also placed 2 QBs in the first round. Kids look at the coach's success in the draft more than pro vs spread system.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:07 PM ^
I think ohio deserves better
August 15th, 2012 at 11:10 PM ^
I was really doing a double take when I said that, what I mean I guess is that as a 40 year fan and growing up with the most storied part of the rivalry in that time, ohio being good is good for the B1G and us, ugly fact as it may be.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:20 PM ^
August 15th, 2012 at 11:33 PM ^
(and I went to UF after UM); he's smarmy, whiny, and he and his boss helped talk Michigan out of a chance for an NC. But he's taken over a traditional football power with a lot of talent on the team now in a state full of prospects. He might fail, and I would love it, but don't count on it.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:38 PM ^
I highly doubt that too, I just have a feeling it's not going to be the bed of "ROSES" ohio fans think it's gonna be.
August 16th, 2012 at 3:59 AM ^
August 15th, 2012 at 11:40 PM ^
August 15th, 2012 at 11:42 PM ^
Brown Bear FTW again!
August 16th, 2012 at 1:50 AM ^
August 16th, 2012 at 8:04 AM ^
I have been to the byss and the abyss, and I am for recovering all of the lost positives. Until the season starts.
August 16th, 2012 at 12:58 AM ^
I would love to see Urban go 0-2 against Hoke right off the bat and see how soon the torches and pitchforks come out in Columbus
August 16th, 2012 at 8:25 AM ^
August 16th, 2012 at 10:30 AM ^
he would be 0-3 against Michigan. Bowling Green, Florida, and yes Ohio
August 16th, 2012 at 11:14 AM ^
Nope, he coached there in '01 and '02, and our OoC those years was WMU, Miami (ntm), Washington, ND, and Utah
August 16th, 2012 at 1:17 AM ^
Meyer and his two national titles from the SEC are not good enough to coach Ohio State? What?
August 16th, 2012 at 2:15 AM ^
He isn't a bad coach by any stretch of the imagination. As Michigan fans we are more inclined to focus on certain aspects of his personality and cast them in a negative light, as this supports our pre-established loyalties.
August 16th, 2012 at 6:06 AM ^
I recently talked to a die-hard UF fan who told me that we better get ready to hate Urban because he would "own us". I went ahead and told him that I already hate him and then reminded him that Urban is 0-1 against UM.
August 16th, 2012 at 6:47 AM ^
August 16th, 2012 at 7:14 AM ^
Because he had just retired, Ohio State is his dream job, and he never would have come here in a billion years? Or is there another reason you're talking about...?
August 16th, 2012 at 11:29 AM ^
August 17th, 2012 at 12:55 AM ^
You act like the alumni attitude here should be celebrated when it is actually a huge deterent to success.
August 16th, 2012 at 8:15 AM ^
Out of a sense of loyalty and a desire to not contradict my post sigs, I don't like Urban Meyer either. (I should also note that I found the Urban Meyer quote from an OSU blog. Oh, irony) But... let's not forget he had an out in his contract at UF to go to OSU, Notre Dame *and* us. I'm glad we got Hoke, but Meyer wouldn't have been a bad choice at all. And honestly, after last November, when it comes to evaluating character in college football, it's kinda like Penn State <-----> *gaping chasm* <---------> everyone else.
August 16th, 2012 at 8:31 AM ^
August 16th, 2012 at 9:55 AM ^
I can understand their line of logic;
The previous high-profile hire that proved he could beat Michigan in a bowl game was hired.
Disaster ensued.
This high-profile hire proved that he could not beat Michigan in a bowl game; this must mean that he will have a 10-2-1 record against Michigan.
August 16th, 2012 at 12:09 PM ^