Wounder if there is some clause in his ESPN contract that will make him ride out the year thru bowl season. While this reminds me alot of the last 2 coaching searching we have had, what "three and out" has taught me there is truth to this smoke even if there is no offical confirmation.
Urban Meyer Thread -- Wednesday, 23 Nov
... because college football contracts are always honored and never broken early?
Yeah no doubt there is stuff going on. People can't keep their mouths shut in these situations.
This is recruiting season and we're poaching tsio's recruits. These rumor are about hope and stopping the bleeding.
I don't care if the get urban or not. I just want this to blow up in their face like the searches we were subjected to over the past 4 years.
And I hope whomever they get flames out just like our last coach. The numbers being thrown around are higher than Satan or Les money, so they'll get a raise too.
I don't care if they get Urban or not either, but I do want the NCAA to penalize them to the nth degree for all the violations they have committed.
I agree to some degree. See my comment below about that issue.
Janoris Jenkins, a former player, tweeted today "Congratulations to Coach Myers on the new job @ THE OHIO State University."
Wounder if there is some clause in his ESPN contract that will make him ride out the year thru bowl season.
I doubt it. Color commentators aren't that hard to find, and Meyer's just a #3 guy anyway.
So, this info came across the ticker during Mike and Mike this morning. THE VERY NEXT ITEM was "Breaking news: according to source (station in orlando), Urban Meyer has signed a 7 year contract to become the head coach at Ohio State."
Sorry for no link- I haven't found one yet.
This is actually a brilliant move by the OSU AD's office (can't believe I just typed that). Meyer is a golden child of college football - winner of numerous NCs, considered by the masses to be a "good guy" (hell, he cried about his Tim Tebow love during a presser), evena family man. He is as close to squeeky clean in image as a wildly successful SEC coach can be.
By bringing him in, OSU is not only landing a top notch recruiter and coach (which will keep its name bring high during any period of sanctions or rebuilding), but it is landing someone who the NCAA will be less likely to want to smack down.
and I believe a deal is contingent upon Ohio hearing back from the NCAA re penalties. That is the hold up.
I have said this over and over. I want the penalties to sting but not kill ohio. I want the penalties to come after this bowl season. 2 year bowl ban and loss of 15-20 scholarships over 3 years. I want them to bounce back and be strong so we can have historic battles between hoke and the next coach at ohio.
I disagree. He is not squeaky clean, I have a good OSU friend who is apalled at the idea of Urban Meyer being their next coach. While at Florida, his players had over 30 arrests, that is about 1 for every 2 games he won. This does not include "incidents" in which arrests were not made. I think he is a disaster waiting to happen. If they really wanted squeaky clean, they would hire Glenn Mason and have him on board for 5yrs until all the trouble is cleared up and then bring in their favored young coach.
A coaches image that isn't supported by reality? Seems like a trend for OSU.
Agree. OSU's best course is easily biting the bullet and spending the next few years in line. This will lend to them having the speediest recovery. If they pull in shady coaches and recruits all over again, it will just perpetuate the trouble they're in now. Instead of sticking around the house, grounded for two weeks, they'll just keep sneaking out the window. Mom and Dad are bound to find out, and send them to private school...
Urban clean program? Not what I have read!
He was on of the coaches that never oversigned in the SEC if that counts for anything.
By bringing him in, OSU is not only landing a top notch recruiter and coach (which will keep its name bring high during any period of sanctions or rebuilding), but it is landing someone who the NCAA will be less likely to want to smack down.
I don't think this matters at all. If all you had to do to get out of sanctions was to fire the cheating coach and hire a "clean" one, everyone may as well cheat.
Besides, if we got nailed with a postseason ban and scholarship losses when we had Tommy Amaker (as squeaky-clean as it gets) coaching our basketball program, why would OSU be any different?
November is the 11th Month.
Maybe he celebrates Thanksgiving on Christmas...?
This information is being distributed by ESPN, not Urban Meyer. This is not a press release from the coach in question.... it is from his current employer.
tell a guy he's fired.
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seems to mainly be a TV station in Florida and hopeful Buckeye insiders.
I think the hope is from the perceived mutual interest. A deal could be coming, but they would never negotiate behind Fickell's back.
So, no deal in principal or otherwise, but they are likely to reach one later.
I know this is big-boy football but Meyer comes off like a douche if he is seen as working behind the scenes when Fickell still has the job and no annoucement has been made.
Could be a nice rallying cry for Fickell to get the Bucks wound up for the game.
This has been my fear all week. All things being equal, I think we win this game. And yes, we will be fired up. But I have visions of Fickell giving the whole, "boys, who knows where we will all be next year. There's a good chance that this will be the last game that we will play as a team, the team that Jim Tressel built and that we are continuing. Next year, things will be different, there will be a new, shiny coach in town, and who knows what direction this team will go in. But right now, we are still a team, so let's go out there as a team and kick M's ass, and go out with a bang." Who knows, these types of things tend to happen more in movies, but I still get choked up when I hear Bo's "the team, the team, the team" speach. Here's hoping that Fickell doesn't have a speach like that in him.
Well some of the rumors have him (Fickell) staying on staff as a "Coach In Waiting" or something
I have seen a few of those. Just seems kind of odd for a guy to go from HC (even if interim) to "coach in waiting," even though Fickell is really young. Is there any example of this having happened before?
Apparently Luke helped recruit Urban to OSU. Luke is on record, early this season as saying something along the lines of, "I hate dealing with the media part of the HC job, you do all the same work as a DC or Asst Coach, you just don't have the media obligations." Plus Luke isn't your ego maniac type that he has to keep the HC job to save face or whatever. It's plausible.
...then he is a weak man with no pride. No wonder OSU has been bad under him. If your coach doesn't respect himself, how can you respect him?
most likely be like, "The tats, the tats, the tats...."
If OSU's strategy is to avoid distractions, it is not working.
I think OSU would leak this type of information because it is actual positive news WRT the football program.
Colin Cowherd is saying it's a done deal, so you know it's true! He's also claiming that Urban Meyer will dominate the B1G. This is not an RR bash, but Cowherd claimed that he would dominate the B1G at Michigan with his spread offense. I think Cowherd has multiple personality disorder and none of them knows anything about sports. Bring on Urban, Ohio police need to beef up their arrest numbers.
i put cowherd on the radio is when he gets Hoke or some other UM guy on there. He's just a total airbag.
He lives in a broadcasting Neverland where kissing an athlete's/coach's ass makes them your best buddy. I've never heard him ask a tough question in an interview. I usually have him on as background noise and try to tune out what he's saying.
Still I dont know how he could go there or any coach would go before knowing something about what the NCAA is going to do. 7 years and 40 mill is nice but a 2 or 3 year bowl ban and a double digit loss of scholies would keep people away.
Urban Meyer could have any open job in the country if he wanted. The difference here is that Meyer has a legacy to protect and alot more to lose if things dont work out. Someone who has not been as successful like saaaaaay . . . Dantonio would be ripe for jumping on it as he has really maxed out what MSU will probably be.
7 years and $40 million is a hell of lot nicer in Florida than Ohio. Plus no state income tax in Florida so a chunk of this supposed deal would be going to the state not Urban.
over 7 years is $15,655 dollars a DAY (exluding leap days.) Is anyone else bothered by a public institution cashing out $5.7 million a year? FUCK.
I really agree with your first paragraph.
That said, I don't know that he could have any open job in the country. From the perspective of a university president, athletic director, and board, I'd think Urban Meyer would be concerning. The first thing schools want is a great program and Meyer probably brings that (assuming he's back to hyper-focused Meyer). However, the last thing they want is turnover/controversy. He stayed at Florida for six years under fantastic conditions. Why is he going to stay anywhere for the long term?
It just seems like a huge gamble. 50% of the time you get 10x your money. 50% of the time you get your legs broken when you can't pay your marker.
Lane Kiffin jumped all over SC even with the bowl ban.
This guy was a skunk at bgsu. He has a press conference saying he's not leaving and then 4 days later he is in Utah. No wonder he recruits so low moral kids, he has little to no morals at all.
Low moral kids like Tim Tebow?
Kind of ironic with so many of his recruits at Florida getting in trouble, he recruits about the most straight-laced kid on the planet in Tebow.
7 years 40 million??!! Does that make him the highest paid coach in CFB?
No, it makes him the highest paid coach in semi-pro ball.
And the 6th highest paid employee over the past 10 years at ohio football corp.
to anything until the NCAA ruling is out.
I havent heard whether they got their expedited video conference the week of Nov.28.
They are looking at the decision after all bowl bids are out.
My guess he wont come if there is a bowl ban.
I don't think money is the biggest factor here. He's already rich. The value-added by $40 million after you've got $30 million isn't quite as high. For a guy like Meyer (Stoops, Brown, Saban, Hoke, Ferentz) it's about competition and the desire to coach.
I had an epiphany about this yesterday. We should WANT Urban "Legend" Meyer in Cbus.
This rivalry NEEDS the 10-year war again. It was the best rivalry in football when we play each year for the B1G championship, when the record after 12 years is 6-6... this 9-1-1 record, followed by the other team going 7-0, is BULLCRAP. That is NOT a rivalry. It has lost its status of greatest rivalry in sports -- because it got lopsided, each way. USC-ND did the exact same thing.
We should welcome those morons (see: Adophus Washington's comments yesterday) going 11-0 before we play them. We need to be 11-0 going into the game each year. THAT will bring the rivalry back.
Bring it on. I hope they go undefeated all 11 other games. Its what we NEED. We should ALL want it. It's not enough that we go 12-0; we need to do it by crushing OSU hopes in the process. THAT will bring us all "back."
So stop with the denials Urban, step up and LETS DO THIS THING.
This x 1000. Sure, I would like a year or two of OSU fumbling around under fickell, just to give us time to catch up in recruiting so that we enter the the next phase of this rivalry on equal footing, but I am totally with you. Bring on Meyer. I want these guys to be great, so that when we get great, our games get the hype of the 2006 match-up of undefeated #1 vs undefeated #2. I am so sick of watching the SEC have the top billing match-ups (see LSU / Bama).
That's because Notre Dame is making a hard push for Urban Meyer (via ShitNDNationSays).
Also we better keep an eye on Hoke. They're throwing his name around as an upgrade. #MostDelusionalFanbaseEver
#MostDelusionalFanbaseEver doesn't even do them justice...
For the record. I like Herbie. But, he said on mike and mike that out of respect, he would talk about fickle because he has a game, why did he break the story about les and lsu in 07.
didn't talk about Les Miles in '07 ...
Not So Fast... wait, what did you just say to me?
I think you have too many F's, unless you're more agitated about this than I would expect... or it stands for Not Safe For Factory-working Manufacturing Foremen or something obscure like that
I see what he did there - Not So F*cking Fast My Friend - a reference to Corso's f-bomb this past saturday. Well done, OP.
This is a done deal. They are not doing this behind Fickell's back as he will be the coach in waiting when Meyer leaves. I am sure Fickell has been involved in and is embracing this move.
As a Michigan fan, I like this move. Everyone can bash Meyer all they want, but I think he will come in and run a clean program. Something Tressel clearly did not do. As I understand it, the main reason Meyer really left Florida is because he didn't want to cheat like everyone else in the SEC.
That's an interesting point. I never have seen anything about him wanting to leave the SEC b/c of all the cheating and paying off players/recruits. Where did you read that?
it was Florida and Meyer that was very vocal about setting hard rules to stop oversigning and that it would not be done there. I don't know if there are facts that back up their stance but I do remember that.
Gotcha. I always put urban in the same class as the rest of the rule bending cheats in the SEC. I was not aware of that. Good for him for trying to stop it and winning without oversigning.
Where did you hear that? And he's heading to OSU where cheating is frowned upon? Just look at Washington's quote from 247 yesterday and you understand what they are selling the kids down there.
Obviously cheating hasn't been frowned upon, it has been a way of life down there. How else can you explain sure 1st round picks coming back for their senior year the last several years.
Tressel was a flat out cheater, and he was clearly good at it. I just don't think Mayer rolls that way. I could be wrong, but I think Michigan will be on a more level playing field with him over Father Tressel.
Its funny to read things like Washington's quote from yesterday and spin them the way we all did, but you do realize that what he was saying had nothing to do with actually cheating right? He is an 18 year old kid who said something that was taken the wrong way, it was not an admission of anything. He was trying to compliment the academic support system OSU offers to its athletes; if a Michigan commit tried to do the same thing we'd commend him for it.
Sure, they might not be acting behind Fickell's back, but how do the assistants feel? They have to know that most of them are out if Meyer is in. And granted, they'd likely be out at the end of the season anyway, but they still can't be thrilled that their "boss" is negotiating a soft landing for himself during the season that will at the same time cost them their jobs. I imagine it's a tense coach's room right now.
Bill King was speaking about this on Monday. He said with conviction that the football offices were very divided and in utter chaos right now. He said over and over they were a mess and a nasty environment lately.
I can imagine. I would be so pissed if I was Bollman or one of the other top assistants. They probably already felt that Fickell didn't deserve the head job even on an interim basis and then to see him essentially say "well, I can make sure I have a job here, screw the rest of you," has to tick them off beyond belief.
They're professionals and I'm sure they're trying to minimize the distraction for the players, but I can't see how this internal strife isn't a good sign for us.
How can anyone say he led a clean program? By the letter of NCAA law, maybe. But his team had something like 45 players arrested during his last few years in Florida. Somehow this now gets whitewashed, even though the media was all over it at the time. This is the OSU version of clean. I really can't believe a school in as much trouble as OSU is in would hire a guy whose players annually filled the police blotter.
Maybe they have a deal in C-bus that if a football player is arrested they go directly to the coach's office and do not collect $200. That way it doesn't get out to the media.
Greg Mattison was his lead recruiter. What you say now?
Yeah this is pretty much looking like a done deal. Not really very happy about this. I think that we've got the coaching staff to compete with him on the field, but it'll be a lot harder to be in ur state stealin ur dudez with Urban on the recruiting trail.
"Ur dudez" better want to play in constant shotgun & spread formation. If "ur dudez," such as Brionte Dunn, want to play manball, we'll be competitive.
Plus, UM (how odd are THOSE initials) needs to go down to SEC territory to get the speed he wants. He's not particularly going to lock up 20 recruits a year from Ohio and PA.
Finally, defensive players have no reason to be particularly enamored with UM (NTUM). He is an offensive guru. At FLA, it was Mattison and Strong who lured in all the great defensive recruits. So, advantage UM (YTUM) there. Guys like Stroebel and Ringer etc. wouldn't necessarily be changing their minds just because they are bringing in a shotgun offensive coach.
I guess we'll have to see who he hires as his defensive coordinator then. He's done a pretty amazing job with that in the past obviously.
I agree, we can continue to compete in the region recruiting-wise based on ND and OSU being in the spread (good for QB, running back, and wide receiver recruiting), and varying needs of each team in a given year, however:
a) OSU seems to have done pretty well defensive coaching-wise over the years. Why would Urban Meyer significantly change that staff out?
b) If the real recruiting king at Michigan is Mattison, how long until Mattison retires? And will Brady Hoke > or = Urban Meyer name-wise by then?
Mattison is great this year, and will keep us competitive in the near future, but still recruiting kids in Ohio against their home state school, who have grown up in the Tressel era is going to be tough rowing. Adding Urban Meyer gives them the reason to believe that will make it tougher.
They way I see it, we need to get to, and win the NC game before the sanctions come off OSU or they will blow by us again.
Unless you truly believe the spread will never work in the B1G ...
Yes Ohio, you are playing on a 6-5 team for a Lame Duck Coach in a Lame Duck System that will be obsolete the second your bowl game is over. Also, no one cares about you, this season, or your coaches. It's all about Urban right now.
Think about that when you are running out of the tunnel at The Big House
Hmmm I wonder when Urban Meyer will be announced as head coach.
If he actually said something like, "I will NOT be coaching next year." Then I might think about it, but he's never said anything like that.
I guess the whole 1 year he spent with his family was enough time. He's a hypocrite just like their old coach, so he will fit right in.
But you didn't show the motto that's painted on the trucks:
They're the Potentate of Totin' Freight!
yep, its happening
never final until Kirk Herbstreit says it is...
Do you think that he'll incorrectly report that it's a done deal that there is a package deal for Meyer to be the Head Coach with Kirk Herbstreit as his quarterback coach?
And Chris Spielman as his defensive coordinator.
What's holding up the deal right now is that ESPN won't release them from their contracts unless OSU agrees to take Pam Ward too.
is likely lobbying very hard to be taken along as the RB coach.
And Urban Meyer keeps saying, "Yeah, but you're just Robert Smith."
For all you guys calling Meyer dirty you do realize who his best recruiter was while at Florida?
I don't think Mattison was involved in any underhanded stuff so I give Meyer the benefit of the doubt and you may want to slow your roll on bombing Urban.
with the countless, pointless comments once you reach 100, right?
brought up with Herbie, and also covered on the local cbus sports station a couple times yesterday: will Urban's offense work a) at OSU and b) in the B1G?
I say, bring it on, so we can beat it in The Game. It'll at least be more fun to watch than Tresselball or Walrusball.
Sigh...i miss the good old days on MGoblog when all we used to talk about was Penn State....
wow your F5 key have any paint left on it? This is like your 6th post in this thread, all 4 word replies to someone that contributes nothing to the conversation.
Waaaaiiiitttt he better not be announcing our game on sat!!!! He'll make some big production and spielman will be lapping at his shoes.....Aaaarrrrrrgggghhh!!!
Just this once NCAA does the right thing and hits them hard.
so he will be announcing the Michigan Ohio game as planned then?
will Urban offer up to Mattison to come be his DC?!!?! Could you imagine what that would do to this rivalry!?!!
Greg Mattison moved to Ann Arbor for family considerations. Coaching at U-M is the last job he will ever have.
Hoke is gonna own Ohio for the next ten years. I dont care who the next coach is.
To me... Urban sounds like a man trying to convince himself of something he's not sure he can accomplish...
"The concerns are still there," Meyer told The Gainesville Sun. "No. 1: My health. No. 2: My family. No. 3: The state of college football. I've done some research into the second one. I've found that it is possible to have balance between your job and your family, that there are coaches out there who are doing it."
It's a big difference to talk about what other people do and change habits he himself has already struggled with.
The lingering question, of course, is if Meyer changes his behavior to protect his family and his health...will he be as good a coach?
Brady Hoke needs to make sure where Kalis and all the other recruits being courted by tOSU stand. We don't need people jumping ship because of this. Thoughts on the subject?
this happens. It will provide me with the convenience of concentrating nearly all my CFB hate (save for Satan, Bielema and a few others) in a single program. Most hated team + most hated coach = orgasmic joy when we beat those bastards.
"RT @TheBigLead: Columbus Dispatch: Meyer to OSU done deal RT @AlbertBreer: Yess! bit.ly/t1PvKt"
The stupid thing is his "health problems" excuse, if you didn't want to coach Florida because Tebow was gone and your teams were average, then say so. But don't try to fool people by claiming it was some sort of a "health issue".
I wonder what happens to Bollman.
Pretty sure he's been hired. I mean, why else would they pull him from The Game?
Hoke hasnt pointed at Myer so he'll just be "that coach in Ohio" to me.
Not a good move for Urban, although I welcome him and what he brings to the B10.
Urban is moving from a conference geared towards championships (oversigning, 8 game conference schedule, huge divide between top tier and all else) to a conference that seems largely unconcerned with its member national prominence and final rankings. This does not bode well for an apparently high-strung, pressure-averse head coach of a program that will be demanding National Championships.
Urban Meyer is not going to escape a nine game conference season and a conference championship game with one very often, and I would not be surprised to see Florida make its way back to the NC before OSU makes it back.
Please edit the thread title to something like "Per (insert mod name here): Official Urban Meyer Thread."
The way it stands now is confusing and what I was objecting to during the PSU official threads: any user can title a thread "Official ___________ Thread" and it is hard to know if it is a mod or not b/c you guys use screen names just like any other user.
Your current system of "official threads" needs a lot of tinkering as it leads to deleted threads, point reductions, and banhammers with users ignorant as to why.
The way you do it now leads people to click on every single related thread to wade through way too many posts and spend way too much time reading.
...with 80+ replies, thread started two hours after you say "this is official thread."