selling jerseys in Ohio is a great start.
...says Denzel Valentine of Big Ten Tourney favorite MSU, which is 5-7 in its last 12 games. Cumong, man.
selling jerseys in Ohio is a great start.
I'm pretty sure that both teams will have really good classes this year, and every year for the foreseeable. I laugh when people look at .1 star differences in the averages and think one class is soooo much better than the other.
that quoting a really popular movie is evidence of anything except enjoying the situational comedic stylings of Ben Stiller.
Oh, that explains...
Urban Meyer Centre For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too.
There's more to life than just being really, really, really good looking.
It is only evidence for horrible taste.
I want to beat Meyer and his team into the turf every year, but the word 'circle of trust' is pretty common. Don't know if Meyer meant it that way, as in do whatever you want.
Especially when you actually click on that link and look at the articles. Nowhere does Meyer use the phrase "Circle of Trust." The times the phrase is used, it's used by the journalist who wrote the headline/story. Meyer simply talks about players earning his trust with their play... While, I'm not one to defend the guy, that's hardly a smoking gun.
(hence my downvote)
Both times the writer used the phrase and never used it to him. And even if Meyer did use the phrase, so what? There is nothing illegal or even immoral about having a "circle of trust."
Next, the guy is going to tweet some old articles where Meyer uses the word "circle" out of context as further "proof" of the existence of the Circle of Trust.
While there is nothing intrinsically wrong with having a "circle of trust," the fact that Meyer continues to lie about it indicates that there is a problem.
That is the same logic that was just used to leap from motorcycle ride to mistress, and to fire Petrino at Arkansas, and about 90 percent of the posters here seemed to agree with it when it was used on Petrino.
Am I saying Meyer should be fired? Of course not. But anytime Ohio State is put under the microscope of suspicion, it makes me happy.
Bottom line: I don't know what Ohio did to piss off the Sports by Brooks dude, but I sure am glad it happened.
There is no crime in having a Circle of Trust. And it looks like it did exist. Why deny and lie about it unless there may be some truth to the accusations?
No, the bottom line is that SportsByBrooks is an idiot.
Meyer didn't lie about anything - nowhere is this "Circle of Trust" credited to him. It was the analogy used by both those journalists as a pop culture reference. And as Brooks is wont to do, he distorts reality to try to get a "Gotcha!" journalism moment.
One of the authors, Austin Murphy, even took to Twitter now to point out Brooks idiocy, and made it clear that Meyer never said it.
It's disappointing that after reading the first 50 posts in this thread, not a single person [Edit: my mistake, 2 people pointed it out above this] has pointed out this blatant error (although calling it an error would be giving too much credit to Brooks, since he obviously did it on purpose).
Maybe he has some evidence and twitter is the wrong forum to make accusations.
Who cares if he calls it/called it the "Circle of Trust"? The point is, did he do it? Nixon didn't call it "Watergate," but it was still wrong and still brought his presidency down. It's clear that Meyer used the term "trust" for his star players...did he also use that term as code for players who got preferential treatment? I hope they keep digging...where's there's smoke...
There is no "do" to do!. There is no comparison to any scandal because prefential treatment isn't a scandal! There is nothing wrong with having a circle of trust, or any group of players having preferential treatment. Call it anything you want, there is nothing wrong with it. It may not be a good way to run your team, but who cares if he did it? There isn't anything wrong in the first place. Guh...
You didn't read the sporting news article, which explains the alleged offenses. This isn't just about preferential treatment. It's about cover-ups, illegal scholarship tactics, and lying to players and administrators.
And once again I'll state--there is not one single thing against either the NCAA rules or any workplace rules in the alleged "offenses." Take off your anti-Ohio blinders. I don't like him either, but even if everything in the article is true, he showed bad judgement and management, nothing more.
His troubles will follow him to Ohio State. Like we are fond of saying in the south, if you put a fox in the hen house, you'll have chicken for dinner every night. He hasn't, nor will he ever change who he is.
Wouldn't the fox be the one having chicken for dinner every night? I know someone who had a coyote (raccoons?) break into their chicken coop, and man, those chickens were gone.
Don’t be insulting the south now. Ya’ll don’t want to invite the wrath of Dixie. American by birth, Southern by the grace of God! But fo real, we’ll spit tobacco at you, or wear our pretentious bow ties to make you feel under dressed, or something.
Not sure why, but I read this comment in the voice of Foghorn Leghorn, and it was rather amusing.
...him to Ohio since the coeds are not nearly as hot in C-bus. However, they are twice as dumb, so you never know.
Not saying Urban isn't a liar, since we all know that's a foregone conclusion, but that tweet is bullshit. Nowhere in those old articles is Urban quoted as saying he has a circle of trust. The reporters said that. All he says in those quotes is "I trust ___" and "We trust ___ to make a play." I'm surprised the guy actually tweeted that as evidence. It's pretty weak.
Good point. Brooks (or whatever his name is) seems perpetually overly eager to catch someone doing something wrong.
But if I remember correctly, he was the one who first broke the story that Harbaugh would not be taking the Michigan job at a time when many Michigan journalists & insiders were confident he would. People railed on him for it, but in the end, his story was accurate.
BUT THEY BOTH HAVE THE WORD TRUST!!!
This is a big yawn. Urban's a dick. He wins games. Doesn't seem to cheat. If you want to hate him, there are plenty of reasons to do so. If you want to love him, there are plenty of reasons to do so.
He treats star players differently. Big deal. That happens every where in the big boy world.
When does the season start? I hate the offseason because it means we have to read crap from people like SportsByBrooks.
is a very valid statement. Also, SbB's news has already gotten debunked
The term Circle of Trust was used by SI writer Austin Murphy, not Urb himself.
Matt Hayes SN expose has a player detail the use of a "Circle of Trust."
Headline from Sept 2009: Gators Auditioning for "Circle of Trust"
SI writer from Jan 2009: Refers to "Circle of Trust"
I think it is a more than a coincidence.
Today from Meyer: "The Circle of Trust? That didn't happen."
Are you reading the same thing I wrote? I didn't say he didn't have a circle of trust (which isn't a crime anyway). I said that tweet and those articles do not come close to proving that he had a circle of trust, nor does your post, because the phrase "Circle of Trust" never comes out of his mouth. The reporter in one of the articles even says it REMINDS him of a movie involving a circle of trust. You're making whales out of fishes.
along with an article from the local Gainesville Sun that uses it in its headline along with the opening line "But after Saturday, Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow will know who belongs in the Circle of Trust" is some pretty strong evidence
Having a Circle of Trust may not be a big deal, but the question I have is why deny and cover it up, unless the accusations of preferential treatment made by the player are true?
Did you read the Sporting News article? This isn't about the name "Circle of Trust"...it's about the practice of covering up crime, lying to players and the athletic department, illegally manipulating scholarships, and taking down the Florida program as he went.
The evidence SbS tweeted definetly corroborates the statements of the Florida players who talked about people Meyer "trusted," whether or not there was something called the "Circle of Trust."
False. I did read the Sporting News article, and I believe the player in it because I think Meyer is completely sleezy. That's beside the point. The point is that Brooks tweeted this after Meyer denied he had a circle of trust, as proof that he did in fact have a circle of trust. This definitely does NOT corroborate those statements, though it doesn't prove them wrong either. All it proves is that a columnist made a comparison, and he viewed it that way. Who knows, maybe the player in the SN article read those articles when they came out and that's where he got the idea to use this term in talking about the Florida team. It does nothing to prove that Meyer had an elite club at the top by quoting him saying he trusted the Pounceys, and he trusted certain other guys to provide quality depth on the line, because we don't know the context. That statement by itself is no different than Hoke saying there's an expectation for the position, or Matteson saying he let the Dline last year make their own reads. A coach will play the guys he "trusts" to play mistake free football. Again, I think Meyer is a sleeze and I do believe that he favored guys like Harvin. The point of my posts on the matter is that this is bad reporting by Brookes and that he was manipulating what was previously written in what was not even a convincing way. He has since redacted the statement.
There's a difference between evidence and proof. This is not proof of anything; it's just more evidence that Meyer may have, in fact, used the word "trust" to describe the players he favored. That's all I'm saying. Clearly, the former players believed "trust" was the code word, and this reporting just shows some evidence of that.
It doesn't have a quote of Meyer saying, "What we rely on is our Circle of Trust..." or whatever.
As I understood Hayes' story, the "circle of trust" meant players who could get away with bending the rules. In those screen caps, Urban appears to use it to refer to players he can rely on to perform on the field. So, even if he did use the phrase "circle of trust" that does not itself corroborate the accustations Hayes reported.
In other words, this is nothing. Not that I have any love for Urban or OSU. It is interesting that the media is starting to get after him.
Watching him dance for the media is making me a little giddy.
So he had his little cabal of favorites. Plenty of leaders and molders of young peoples' minds do the very same thing.
A circle of trust you don't say.
Don't cross with Jack Byrnes. He will put the bamboo shoots up your fingers.
Can we get this on a shirt? Just replace the "you" with "Urban Meyer"...
I was curious as to what one might look like, so Google provides this:
I could see an Urban Meyer staff meeting devolving into this, once the outer circle had been dismissed and sent to the field for warmups...
The Circle of Trust is all fun and games until somebody gets a boner.
While I don't doubt that Meyer's at least a little shady.... c'mon, it's SportsbyBrooks, so.... yeah.
Still, the Circle of Trust will dovetail nicely with the Sacred Brotherhood already in place at tOSU.
Meh. Kind of weak if you ask me. Meyer is by no means infallible, but this doesn't really ding him" that bad. I also agree that there seems to be blood in the water, making the comparison to Rich Rodriguez at Michigan pretty much on. Rodriguez made enemies with enough folks that it caused him more problems than a head coach has time to deal with. You want your coach focused on everything important to winning games, not mired in defending himself half the time he is awake.
If Ohio State stumbles early (which is a good possibility when transitioning offenses) I'd be willing to bet that the heat gets dialed up a little more. Winning games makes the noise a little more quiet, so it will be interesting to see how they come out this year.
The author of the original article, Matt Hayes, is based in Florida and is a known Gator fan. When Urban was at Florida he wrote multiple articles praising him, but the moment Urban walks away he sours.
While I don't doubt that they may be a little truth in his claims (I feel like every coach gives their star players a little extra attention than the benchwarmers), it can easily be argued that Matt Hayes is simply using his position as a journalist to vent his personal frustrations towards Coach Meyer. It is not hard to sensationalize a story of this nature in order to grab more readers' attention.