He will regret taking the OSU job when Hoke starts kicking his ass.
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He will regret taking the OSU job when Hoke starts kicking his ass.
What health issue will surface then?
I really think when Saban startied to dominate him had a lot to do with him leaving Florida.
I don't think Urban Meyer should be talking about games that teams "should have" lost
Yes. The timing of his comments is very interesting.
Ever since Bama dominated him in his last 2 matchups at Florida, he has obsessed nonstop with Saban. You could see it when he was a broadcaster on ESPN and even now.
With Bama winning 3 of the last 4 BCS titles and Saban with 4 total, he has dwarfed what Urban did at Florida big time especially with how Urban left Florida as mediocre. Saban left LSU with a roster Miles won a title with.
I couldn't agree more.
The only thing you left out was the "Circle of trust" he had at Florida and all the character and legal issues he left for Muschamp to clean up.
What's unfortunate is that the rest of the B1G is too weak to knock down his house of cards and expose him for what he is. And its too bad because I'd love to see Ohio fans reaction and justification if he flames out there. He has that whole fanbase eating out of the palm of his hand right now.
You nailed it!
I like how soooooo many of his kids were arrested "ethically, the right way" too. Obviously that was a big priority for him.
The Orlando Sentinel, just before his final season in Florida, published this article listing all of the players in Meyer's tenure at Florida to that time who had been arrested, their charges, and the team punishment. The most interesting aspect of it to me is the very inconsistent team punishments in several cases, but I suppose that was part of doing things "the right way".
I suppose it burns him a little as well that, despite this mammoth effort, he still never beat Saban even in the Fulmer Cup standings, at least to my knowledge. No wonder he left the SEC.
The entire CBS interview (HERE) has a few questions on some of the changes he claims to have made to his approach, including his efforts to change his "overreaction" to various things in the day-to-day running of the program
I remember when Brandon Spikes tried to eye gouge a Georgia player and Urban said he would have a serious talk with him and bench him for one half of the Vanderbilt game.
25 players arrested 31 times in <6 years. That's an avg of 5.17 arrests per year.
I don't believe Urban is he devil (I actually think he seems like an okay dude), but you can't preach integrity and doing things the right way when an entire class worth of students went to jail during your tenure.
Focus on your team and not Alabama, Meyer. But I guess when Saban has wiped the floor with you in your last two meetings, you can start to develop a little bit of an inferiority complex.
Saban knows exactly how to game plan for a Meyer-coached team. I see no reason for different results should they meet again.
"Health issues" or "banging a grad assistant issues"?
To talk about "should have been" losses. Ohio almost lost at least 4 games last year. Including Cal, michigan state, INDIANA and Wisconsin. Not to mention michigan.
Banging a pretty young assistant can be bad for your health, like it was for former VP Nelson Rockefeller in 1979.
Urbz = Assclown
He got word the Tressel was gonna get taken out in the future. And heknew the only way he could get the OSU job was to leave Florida early and not pull a RR. Dont believe for a second the crap Meyer recently said...for it was all contrived.
Not a chance. Don't believe the stuff he's said more recently about Ohio being his dream job. He didn't care whether he was coaching at Florida or Ohio. His family made him quit and he just decided to get back in the game. He said while he was at ESPN that his dream jobs were ND, Ohio, and Michigan. Basically he just wanted to be at a big time school where he'd be famous, could get recruits easily despite his disingenuous behavior, and win championships. His loyalty and love of Ohio is not nearly what he says it is or you suggest above.
It's my belief that once Hoke and staff have overhauled the roster from the RR era, were going to see a team with alot of similarities to Alabama and then Urban will probably want to focus spending more time with his family again.
Definitely agree here. We are building big, fast and physical O and D lines and will play a very similar style. I believe we will physically dominate Ohio
I don't think we will ever reach the level Alabama has the last 5 years. Alabama has certain advantages that Michigan does not (access to fertile recruiting territory, oversigning, junior college players, and win at all cost mentality). I think the junior college aspect is huge factor that is overlooked in the rise of the SEC
I agree I don't think Michigan will be as dominant as Alabama has been. I meant that our team will look more like a Nick Saban team than an Urban Meyer team. UM is recruiting big physical players in all areas.
I think he's just saying we're going to have a lot of similarities, not that we're going to be as dominant as Alabama. Hoke might win several national championships. He might win none. But he's building a football team similar to Alabama's, at least in its style of play and the personnel being recruited to play up front.
But like you, I'd be shocked if we ever attain the level of Alabama, at least on a year in, year out basis.
Every coach "overhauls" his roster every year due to graduation. And, until it becomes "legal" in the NCAA for boosters to pay players, Michigan will never compete with Bama on a yearly basis. Bama cheats and Michigan doesn't.
Michigan will have some great classes, but everyone will be fighting the Bama illegal perks machine, whether it comes from golden handshakes or ho-stesses on recruiting visits.
vagisil? Grow up, guys; women come to this site, too, or some of us might like them to feel welcome here. Besides, the whiny nature of some of your posts sounds a lot like the kind of attitude you indict.
This is why women aren't allowed to vote.
Oh don't go gettin' your panties in a wad.
One of my favorite moments as a Michigan fan was beating Urban Meyer's Gators in 2008. After the whining he did in 2006 to get in the national championship I have disliked him. Guy just strikes me as a snake. Remember what he told Stonum when he was a recruit?
If you're ever bored, type "Urban Meyer dirty recruiting." Fun times.
I’ve always felt our job is to do a good job and do it the right way, do it ethically and for the best interest of the student-athlete — check, check, check.
He just sounds like a smug asshole here. Hoke would be more like "...and I hope we were able to do that."
But I don't really think that Meyer quit because he was scared of saban. I think that Meyer at Florida face some of the same structural inequalities against other teams like bama and lsu that Michigan and nd sometimes run into. Not only is Florida a decent academic school, but he had been there long enough for some of the shine to come off, he wasn't the new fun guy anymore like saban was and he was having to take some risks with players. His staff was getting plucked dry every year, leaving for head coaching gigs (strong, Mullins) or the nfl (mattison). After reading the borges thing this week, i realize what a huge team the coaching staff is.
In coaching nowadays you have a window and you have to be able to recognize when that window is closing and get out gracefully, which he did definitely not do. I look forward to UM playing OsU tough in the future, with him or without him, but the circumstances of he and saban and anybody else are pretty much ancient history.
Florida at a disadvantage? There are only a handful of schools that have a better advantage than Florida. He was in the heart of the most fertile recruiting ground at the flagship school in the state. Florida dips in the JC pool just like every other SEC school. The only major difference is Florida and Georgia do not engage in oversigning, but Florida had the pick of the litter instate while Meyer was there.
As for staff turnover, Saban and every other high profile head coach deals with that. It isn't going to be any different at Ohio State. Especially with the type of coaches he employs (younger and more recruiting focused assistants).
As for the "window" argument, I think that has more to do with Saban than anything else. Coaches almost never leave traditional powers with strong recruiting bases unless they are going to the NFL because it is inherently easier to win at those programs. You almost never see what Meyer did at Florida. Mark Richt has been at Georgia 12 years and counting. Les Miles has been at LSU 8 years and counting. Saban has been at Alabama 6 years and counting. Bob Stoops has been at Oklahoma 14 years and counting. Mack Brown has been at Texas 15 years and counting.
He didn't leave Florida because it was hard to recruit. Florida and Georgia don't over sign but that just means they do like other schools and force out in the fall instead of the spring.
He left because he knew he was not stopping Saban.
saying flat butts are the thing.
Magazines say that? I mean, a huge oversized ass isn't great, but a flat ass isn't great either. Those mags are dumb
Samdruss, you must be pretty young, if you didn't recognize those classic lyrics.
we should have beaten them last season... Just the ineffeciency on offense down the stretch... Really have to close out games better this season.
Don't forget this scumbag threw his former Florida players under the bus when he publicly criticized them and the state of the locker room after he left. Nevermind that HE caused it all. Guy is one serious douchebag asshole.
He won't be there in 5 years says me. He is a great recruiter but recruits a different type of player. I would wash my hands several times after meeting him. I would let Hoke hug my wife and Mom. His approach will work a portion of the time but I think a lot of parents have to see through him especially after talking with Hoke/Mattison v Urb and his Rings and his Brionte commit tonight or you don't have an offer style.Some kids will flat out be a Buckeye but in general we're going to do just fine on the field and against the evil empire in recruiting.
Go Blue and Donuts on Hoke!
It was completely bizarre if nothing else.
Said he was leaving for health reasons, came back, said he was leaving for family reasons, took a job with ESPN (traveling all season long and not being with his family), then took the job at OSU.
I don't think I've seen anything like that. Just the scrambling for an excuse, publicly, to gtfo.
makes me wonder how many OSU should have lost. Jusy saying, I think UM was run out of that conference by Nick Saban's success and his ability to neutralize the spread offense UM used against lesser talented teams. You must recall the spread was a means of neutralizing teams with significant amount more talent and basically keep their offense on the sidelines. Meyer did not have the problem of lesser talent at FL. However, Nick proved to be a better coach than UM and I think his vanity took a major hit. Nice to throw shit on the wall once it's been painted. You may spot it somewhat but it's difficult to get rid of the new color entirely.
"Saban may have used Ohio State by name, but his statement really applies to every non-SEC contender. "They don't play as tough a schedule as us." It's true, but he's blowing things out of proportion. Due to conference divisions, no team in the SEC has to play every other top team. It makes for a good sound byte, though, and it serves his program's purposes to further reinforce just how much more difficult the SEC is. The media listens when he speaks, and he knows it.
People revere/fear Saban as a no-nonsense cyborg who only cares about making his team better. It's The Process. He doesn't have time for this s***. It would seem, though, he does appear to have time to play politics with the media."" ""