Urban Meyer gets called out in WaPo for Hall decision

Feinstein commented on this early on his morning show. He also threw Jim Delaney and the B1G under the bus (justifiably) calling the division name a complete hypocrisy if you don't hold the players to their actions.

And nary a fuck was given. Urbz gonna Urb.

I have a hard time getting worked up over this when I think about concussions, two of the last handful of Heisman winners almost certainly taking money (Newton and Maziel), oversigning, ESPN's borderline monoply over coverage of college sports (which co-exists with them being in the business of selling college sports), and the fact that schools make huge amounts of money off of guys like Denard Robinson while giving them relatively little in return.  I tire of sportswriters who use small incidents as chances to jump on a moral high horse all while ignoring much bigger issues like the ones I just listed (especially concussions).  If nothing else, doesn't Feinstein have an article to write about how great Duke is?   

tried to stop Hall....or congratulate him?

Twice in the game BM was guilty of grabbing M face masks. He came into the melee and grabbed our player but was never whistled. On Clark's PF he did the same thing. If this has been a M hockey game most of the OSU offense would have been ejected for being "third man in".rule.

--let alone the B12 championship--it would be difficult to convince me that there are any/many coaches who would do differently.  Thinking that Brady would do differently would be mere self-satisfying speculation.  And if he did, there would likely be a firestorm here--by many, not necessarily all.

Geez, third commentor on the article gives a pretty one sided analysis of how he saw it go down. 

 #23 Dennis Norfleet horse-collars Dontre Wilson, then #86 Jehu Chesson cheap shots him. 7 Wolverines then jump in gang style. #22 Jarrod Wilson actually throws the first blow with an elbow to Wilson's head. #52 Royce Jenkins Stone rips Wilson's helmet off. #44 Delano Hill actually head butts a helmet-less Wilson with his helmet while choking him with his right arm, which prompts Wilson's punch. BTW Hill punches Wilson back and never gets ejected.

I saw it a bit differently but to each his own.  I think by "blow" he means shoving.  I watched it a few times and only saw the punches thrown and thought the refs did a very good job.  Hill was certainly agressive but did not throw a punch.  RJS deserved what he got for the helmet pull.  Can't wait to beat these fools next year.

and I'm honestly okay with Hall not getting suspended, BUT...the issue should have been addressed.  This isn't good sportsmanship and as much as I hate osu and Urbz and would love for them to get raked over the coals of public opinion, this isn't the way Hall should represent their university or the B1G.  If suspension isn't the punishment, tell us what he will get instead.  Community service, 100 laps around the shoe...SOMETHING.  It should be addressed by the coach or the university and some punishment given.

the force with which Hall dealt out that double bird.  If you watch closely, once the decision was made that they were going up the move was very decisive, it was really a full body action as opposed to just the arms.  It was actually very well executed.

Did anyone REALLY expect Meyer to do anything?  Really?

I can't imagine what an OSU player would have to do to actually get suspended from the Big Ten title game.  Probably go up into the stands and punch a kid.  And even then Urban would probably try to only suspend him for the 1st quarter.

Win At All Costs.

two years ago some on this board screamed bloody murder of Gholsten not being suspended by Michigan State.

One year latter Lewan does basically the same damn thing and doesn't get suspended and we hear pretty much crickets.

God forbid a Michigan player ever does what Hall did  in the future.

also, I wasn't proud of the way Jake Ryan behaved on that play, along with a couple other Michigan players.  They basically went right over in front of the ohio bench and chirped away.  Things could have gotten much worse.

First, I think that there will be repercussions for Hall.  Urban Meyer publicly condemned the action.  I have little doubt but that Hall will pay a price for the gesture.  It will be a price that virtually no member of the MGoBoard had to pay the last time that any of us used the one-finger salute.  Hall has been publicly reprimanded by the Conference, along with the OSU coaching staff for failing to effectively escort Hall from the field.

Second, I say again:  that there is a strong institutional imperative to NOT issue routine suspensions that would impact playoff or championship games.  It would be acceptable to me if Hall were instead suspended for game one of 2014; but he is already a fifth-year senior.  He'll never be back to Michigan Stadium.

Third, I just know that a suspension for Hall is wrong, since it is John Feinstein who is suggesting it.  Feinstein is an ass.  Now my fervent hope is that GRIII lays a hard foul on a random Dukie tonight, and that the Dukie flips the bird in response.  Hey, I can dream can't I?

Fourth (I almost forgot).  Michigan fans would do well to just stfu about all of this.  We didn't really distinguish ourselves in this episode.  I happen to think that Dontre Wilson started the whole thing, by jumping up and trying to run over a couple of Michigan guys immediately after being downed on the return.  It was a sort of physical expression of trashtalking.  I don't think that Wilson tried to start a physical fight.  But he started the post-play escalation.  It is the same thing that Dennis Norfleet does repeatedly on his returns.  Norfleet needs to be instructed very seriously to stop it.

Hall was ejected for the fight which he served a punishment for during the game. He should be suspended for the national televised broadcasting of flipping off everyone. No reason they should be treated as one and the same incident.

he likes to criticize Urban Meyer whenever he gets the opportunity.  Everyone is just waiting to see if the "Florida Effect" starts creeping into OSU's program while Meyer is there. 

That's at least a $10K and probably a $20K fine from the NFL.

In other words, a monthly mortgage payment.

is a punk!

Meh.  He recruits and gets players that want an environment where this sort of action isn't really a problem.  I think in the end, he will start feeling heart palpitations for it as it comes back to bite him.  The B1G/NCAA may want to hit him with a punishment to protect their brand in the eyes of the fans, but I'm not going to sit in some moral judgment over not punishing a kid for flipping people off.

It isn't classy, but it isn't also doesn't have me thinking Hall is going to be shooting a guy in the head in a few years.  Plus were all spending billions on a league that seems to specialize in teaching and reinforcing perverse ideals and morals.

He deserves a suspension simply for being dumb enough to do that in front of a national television office. Until the 1978 Gator Bowl, Woody Hayes had the good sense to punch opposing players and band members in the tunnel--away from the prying eyes of the media.

Have we reached the point where game suspensions are the only acceptable punishments for players? I'm ok with him not being suspended. He didn't commit a crime and he wasn't caught cheating. He just made an ass of himself. Seems to me like exactly the kind of thing that should be handled in house.

I personally think penalties for verbal stuff and lewd gestures is dumb. It's football, worse stuff gets said and gestured on the play ground. It's bad sportsmanship and we should condemn it but a suspension is way over the top. Save the penalties for potentially dangerous stuff or things that gain an unfair advantage.

The Big Ten publicaly reprimanded them.  What more do you want.!  I'm sure the players feel so bad about that they won't come out of their dorm all week.

"www.framingpaterno.com"

Such a place exists?!?!

The players should be respectful of the game and their competitors.  Fans yell at them every game and they aren't supposed to let that get to them, right?   I'm not sure I would have enjoyed explaining to my kids what just happened.  It's not acceptable public behavior especially with athletes serving as role models and ambassadors of their university.  Hopefully a few parents just crossed OSU off the list of schools they want their son to play football for.  You see that in public and it gives you an idea of what goes on behind the scenes.

Yes, I laughed at the idiotic behavior, but that doesn't mean I thought it was appropriate.

Yes, I'm old school.  Bo's players would have known that behavior would send them deep into the doghouse for an extended period of time, because it disgraced the team.

Would yelling "Fuck You!!" have yielded a suspension? 

Don't really agree with the article that much. That behavior can be handled internally if they choose. If you (OSU) want to tell the world that you have no sportsmanship or class and that you are disappointed, fine. ( I would give him something extra)



What he should be suspended for is coming off the bench to join the fight. That deserves extra punishment that should come from the NCAA, B10, and OSU. The full punches from Wilson? Maybe those too. Shoves in the face or pulling and pushing on people is normal 15 yard penalties up to ejections. Escalating scuffles with full punches or joining from the bench deserve severe punishment IMHO.

I am old school... Throwing punches.. Yanking off helmets....grabbing face asks and especially flipping the bird should be a cause for punishment. Lewan should have been suspended. A senior captain acting that way... Really. Very selfish. Thought hoke preached "the team.. The team.. The team". The OSU dude looked ridiculous. Selfish act while he is representing ohio. No class. Suspend him. If jake Ryan .. Denard Robinson or Desmond Howard did this I would expect them to sit the next game. Don't embarrass the university or the program for your selfish actions. They should learn that in junior high.