I agree with you.
somehow we're only 124th
I agree with you.
Hall was ejected for the fight which he served a punishment for during the game. He should be suspended for the national televised broadcasting of flipping off everyone. No reason they should be treated as one and the same incident.
You're gonna start suspending people for flipping the bird? That's a "run stadium stairs until you can't feel your toes" kind of infraction.
That is what a coach should do, but the institution should suspend the player. He embarrassed them. There were kids in the front trw and he basically told them to F off. Maybe he should sit a series or a quarter at least. I would be embarrassed if I was a teacher or admin at osu.
Is embarassing the institution grounds for a suspension? That's tremendously arbitrary. Are we going to discipline Stauskas for the stank-face or the 3-goggles? What about Hart's "Little Brother" comment? What about when a player gives the "shhhhh" sign in a visiting stadium? What about a guy who commits a bonehead penalty on the field? Or a guy who just drops an f-bomb generally?
Punching a guy is dangerous. Flipping the bird is unseemly and unbecoming. The chasm between the two is vast.
he likes to criticize Urban Meyer whenever he gets the opportunity. Everyone is just waiting to see if the "Florida Effect" starts creeping into OSU's program while Meyer is there.
Circle of trust, Bitches. Circle of trust.
That's at least a $10K and probably a $20K fine from the NFL.
In other words, a monthly mortgage payment.
is a punk!
Meh. He recruits and gets players that want an environment where this sort of action isn't really a problem. I think in the end, he will start feeling heart palpitations for it as it comes back to bite him. The B1G/NCAA may want to hit him with a punishment to protect their brand in the eyes of the fans, but I'm not going to sit in some moral judgment over not punishing a kid for flipping people off.
It isn't classy, but it isn't also doesn't have me thinking Hall is going to be shooting a guy in the head in a few years. Plus were all spending billions on a league that seems to specialize in teaching and reinforcing perverse ideals and morals.
We don't know that Hall isn't being punished. While I think Meyer is a dirt bag, I'd find it hard to believe that Hall isn't being subjected to some form of punishment. Game suspensions aren't the only way to punish a kid.
He deserves a suspension simply for being dumb enough to do that in front of a national television office. Until the 1978 Gator Bowl, Woody Hayes had the good sense to punch opposing players and band members in the tunnel--away from the prying eyes of the media.
Have we reached the point where game suspensions are the only acceptable punishments for players? I'm ok with him not being suspended. He didn't commit a crime and he wasn't caught cheating. He just made an ass of himself. Seems to me like exactly the kind of thing that should be handled in house.
I personally think penalties for verbal stuff and lewd gestures is dumb. It's football, worse stuff gets said and gestured on the play ground. It's bad sportsmanship and we should condemn it but a suspension is way over the top. Save the penalties for potentially dangerous stuff or things that gain an unfair advantage.
is that, according to the NCAA Rulebook , you can make a pretty strong argument, that by virtue of Braxton MIller leaving the team area, and joining into the fracas, and due to the fact that he wasn't sanctioned in the game itself, he should have received further punishment.
Bottom line, for a league that LOVES to trumpet how different it is from the other BCS Conferences (particularly the SEC) Delany and company have really dropped the ball on this one...And whenyou factor in the Tat 5...Well, best case it looks sketchy, worst case, abjectly hypocritical.
Not even close. You should know better than to come here with that.
The individuals received appropriate penalties, players got the required half season, coach got the virtual lifetime ban. Fair and consistent.
The program committed one of the worst violations NCAA sports has. The entire institution is like golf in that it relies on the participants to self-police. The CEO of the program hid known violations and then lied about them. It is such a stupid argument that nobody else knew. Who cares? The head coach knew! What the CEO did was far worse ( within context) than what USC did. Anything less than USC was not consistent.
It is shameful that the NCAA allowed OSU to argue that JT wasn't part of the OSU football institution.
The Big Ten publicaly reprimanded them. What more do you want.! I'm sure the players feel so bad about that they won't come out of their dorm all week.
Such a place exists?!?!
You haven't talked to a Penn State fan in the past two years, have you?
The players should be respectful of the game and their competitors. Fans yell at them every game and they aren't supposed to let that get to them, right? I'm not sure I would have enjoyed explaining to my kids what just happened. It's not acceptable public behavior especially with athletes serving as role models and ambassadors of their university. Hopefully a few parents just crossed OSU off the list of schools they want their son to play football for. You see that in public and it gives you an idea of what goes on behind the scenes.
Yes, I laughed at the idiotic behavior, but that doesn't mean I thought it was appropriate.
Yes, I'm old school. Bo's players would have known that behavior would send them deep into the doghouse for an extended period of time, because it disgraced the team.
Would yelling "Fuck You!!" have yielded a suspension?
Don't really agree with the article that much. That behavior can be handled internally if they choose. If you (OSU) want to tell the world that you have no sportsmanship or class and that you are disappointed, fine. ( I would give him something extra)
What he should be suspended for is coming off the bench to join the fight. That deserves extra punishment that should come from the NCAA, B10, and OSU. The full punches from Wilson? Maybe those too. Shoves in the face or pulling and pushing on people is normal 15 yard penalties up to ejections. Escalating scuffles with full punches or joining from the bench deserve severe punishment IMHO.
I am old school... Throwing punches.. Yanking off helmets....grabbing face asks and especially flipping the bird should be a cause for punishment. Lewan should have been suspended. A senior captain acting that way... Really. Very selfish. Thought hoke preached "the team.. The team.. The team". The OSU dude looked ridiculous. Selfish act while he is representing ohio. No class. Suspend him. If jake Ryan .. Denard Robinson or Desmond Howard did this I would expect them to sit the next game. Don't embarrass the university or the program for your selfish actions. They should learn that in junior high.
"especially flipping the bird"? Really? That was the worst thing for you?