What a d-bag.
I was on the fence about Meyer, in terms of what kind of person or coach he was. But now I dislike him. Alot.
What a d-bag.
I was on the fence about Meyer, in terms of what kind of person or coach he was. But now I dislike him. Alot.
There was never a need to be on the fence, he is indeed the King of ALL D-bags
Is he more of a doucher than Dantonio?
But it sure is going to be fun to watch their bottom feeder cage match from the sidelines.
I've never met Dantonio, played for meyer at BG....so I'm biased toward meyer running away with the crown.
How bad was he? BG was pretty successful under him.
Total D-bag, but we already knew. Why exactly are we trying to dis Urbie for being a co-ed banger? Thats a compliment
You could probably say this about almost any class, but yeah, there are some marginal guys in there. Jacoby Boren? Pat Elflein? Luke Roberts?
A coach shouldn't be saying these things about his own kids, of course, but they're true.
I agree with both parts of your statement- but I think the whole "shouldn't be saying it," especially when you are the head coach, the one their parents are entrusting their sons to, that is really the point I was trying to highlight. You just don't do that. It's just a slimy thing to have said; he comes off increasingly reptilian-like in my estimation every time I hear him speak.
"The better part of discretion is valor." Shakespeare said it best.
Now Shakespeare, that was a real five star talent, Meyer would have totally recruited him. Dickens, on the other hand- more of a three star level recruit, the kind of player only the old regime would have accepted, way beneath Urb's standards.
I actually agree about Dickens. Way overrated, in my opinion.
Dickens might not start, but I'd totally take him for depth purposes. Urban would throw him under the bus though because he couldn't get Cormac McCarthy.
What are we talking about, again?
I think we were talking about our favorite Ann Arbor restaurants. It wasn't my favorite, but I did love me some Amer's Deli.
but if Dickens worked on his pad level, I could definately see him moving up to a low 4 star...
You would think he would be naturally gritty after working in a factory as a kid, but alas, no such luck.
I actually agree about Dickens. Way overrated, in my opinion.
You bite your tongue, man.
I can't say I'm a fan either - you tend to drag on a little when you're paid by the word.
Stipulated. But it's a testament to the incredibly compelling characters he created that his books are that enjoyable regardless of wordiness. And call me a sap, but I much prefer Dickens's happier endings to modern, 20th-century writers who think it's not art unless it's starts off depressing and ends up worse.
Tell that to Sidney Carton.
OK, there's always exceptions, but you can't deny that most of Dickens's stuff turns out lot better for the characters than most of the famous stuff written in the 20th century.
So who are your favorite authors?
Chuck Palahniuk, Dave Eggers, Thomas Harris, Douglas Adams, JRR Tolkien, Cormac McCarthy, Lev Grossman, Nick Hornby, Shakespeare, Poe, Bukowski.
Now Shakespeare, that was a real five star talent
William Shaksper, that glove maker's son from a small town? He never performed under pressure. He's got some personal baggage, too (possible recusancy). The Lord Chamberlain shouldn't recruit that guy. London will eat him alive.
Uh, everyone knows that Shakespeare was just a product of his offensive line. Also, he took his 40 time from another player.
Some think that Earl of Oxford guy was really responsible for Shakespeare's success. Could be a sleeper.
"The better part of valor is discretion"
Just in case any of the kids out there have a test this week.
Well, f***, you're absolutely right. I can't believe I transposed those words.
Not to nit pick here Magnus, but you got the quote backwards.
It should read: "The better part of valor is discretion..."
or for the whole quote.
To die is to be a counterfeit, for he is but the counterfeit of
a man who hath not the life of a man; but to counterfeit dying,
when a man thereby liveth, is to be no counterfeit, but the true
and perfect image of life indeed. The better part of valor is
discretion, in the which better part I have sav'd my life.
Yeah, I know. I'm lexicdys. Somebody else already corrected it above, and I acknowledged it.
Wow, 40 posts arguing about Shakespeare in a thread about Ohio State's football coach.
Welcome to MGoBlog.
He shouldn't say that... but he is also creating a little plausible deniability against the possible OSU uproar when he doesn't win immediately. Those faithful are absolutely brutal, and if they want him to win at all costs, then he is letting them know that those 'marginal' guys were ones he didnt and wouldnt have recruited....ie... and performance shortcomings can be partially diffused to Fickell.
I think the guys you brought up show the undertone of what he's saying. They were there before Meyer arrived and aren't HIS guys. This is just foreshadowing for the end of next recruiting season when Urb needs to free up a few more spots and suddenly these "marginal" players "decide" to transfer, miraculously freeing up some spots for his beloved 5* guys.
a love affair with Dantonio, here in cbus, before he questioned Urbans' recruiting techniques. I would always talk about what a douch he is and they would say, "he is a class act", then I would laugh. They seem to have an affinity for douchbags here.
Meyer has to act the tough guy to overcome the fact that he looks like he should be selling computers at Best Buy.
Selling fishing supplies at Outdoor World.
yeah, we sell Ugly Stik, but they're crap. Move up to a Loomis, or you're nobody kid.
Let's be honest - at Ohio State kids don't have to "buy" computers.
I think Christian Bale and Urban Meyer are the same person!!!
You, sir, winz the internets!
While this might motivate some guys, it will certainly piss of others, and could make the guys who consider themselves to be "not marginal" walk onto campus feeling like they don't have to prove anything. They've got the stars and the status. Just plain stupid to say that in public.
You just don't say things like that...not ever. Even if it were true, those are the thoughts you keep to yourself.
I can't wait until Ohio loses a few games. The noise level is going to get real loud real quick.
In his interview on The Fan the other day, he said something while talking about their class about never knowing whether you have a "good batch or a bad batch" until you get them on the field. That struck me as kind of douchey as well.
In other words, "Once I realized my last Florida recruiting class wasn't that good, I decided to skip town. Good luck Muschamp."
I'm sure this will definitely help team chemistry.
to see how the whole Urbie thing works out. He strikes me as a real front-runner, and I wonder whether he has the grit to hang in there when things get tough. These kind of comments also suggest to me that he is not in fo the long haul at OSU, but intends to get in, scoop up a couple of classes of 4/5 stars, win an NC and then leave "to spend more time with his family." I also get the sense he thinks that the B10 is easy pickins compaared ot where he was; here's hoping the conference shows him otherwise.
word "marginal" is telling. What he's telling these guys, his parents, friends, family and the public is that there are guys who just signed on that they are not really wanted and they are there only because he could not get someone better. All schools do that, but damn, that's outright thoughtless at best, cruel at worst. He may just be the Saban of the north.
The "marginal" kids are probably the ones that stuck with the class through Ohio's darkest year in memory. The deserve to be thrown under the bus, right? What an asshole.
You misinterpreted this.... Urban was referring to the INCOMING class...the 3 star guys who Fickell recruited.
And the fact is, that Hoke likely thought the same thing about the RR guys like DJ Williamson and Greg Brown, but would never say it, unlike Meyer.
I think he interpreted it correctly. The kids he's slamming as "marginal" are the ones who committed to Ohio while they had an interim coach and struggled through a 6-7 season. They've already demonstrated a lot of loyalty to the school. Is he loyal to them?
Does Hoke think every kid in this year's class is going to be an All-American? No. But it remains douchey to SAY so.
It's like a parent with a couple of bright kids and a couple of dumb ones. Sure, they might know that little Timmy isn't destined for Harvard, and they might even discuss it amongst themselves. But you wouldn't say so in the goddamn family Christmas letter.
I bet ole Urbie will try to flip it and say he was saying that for motivation purposes. That's the only excuse I can see him using that might work. On the other hand, if I'm a recruit in this class I would feel crappy hearing my head coach refer to me and my future teammates like that.
but motivation should be done inside the walls, not in front of a mic. If I was his p.r. guy, I would do damage control by using the metaphor that recruits are like sex with women: They're all good, but some are just better than others.
As one of the more vocal people who has questioned/complained about the seemingly hourly Meyer posts I must clarify a few misconceptions:
One, my biggest "issue" is when we post crap that if it were any other coach we wouldn't bat an eye. Posts like "Meyer to mentiion Michigan at 5:30pm today" make me cringe cause they strike me as insanely needy and borderline obsessive.
Two, I cannot stand the villification of him (or any other opposing coach for that matter) when they do something that actually should be praise-worthy or at least not considered somehow evil because they did it. Case in point here was the Jamal Berry post where he was castigated for kicking a thug with two run-in's with the law recently off the team. That's bad?
Three, I can only speak for myself but the Urban "Liar" meme was old from the first day it hit the board and is like fingers on a blackboard to me anyways. He have no clue what he said to any recruit and the implication that he lied to get kids is beyond presumptious. Again, it makes me feel like we're a kid who is sure his rival lied to get the girl....i mean why else would she be with him and not me?
Four, when he does do something stupid and worthy of ridicule (like this for example) I have zero issue with the post. Hell, I enjoy I reading it as much as anybody else. I, like most other posters in the thread cannot believe he would say that stupid and hurtful to his own recruits publically - even if it's true. Heck...especially if it's true you don't say it. That's a horrible thing to say about your players, especially when they havent even taken a snap yet.
The defense representing the stuffy crowd rests.
He's probably saying that about some of Tressel's recruits because he didn't recruit them, but he had to keep them because who can poach 25 guys from different schools every year? With OSU's recruiting restrictions over the next few years, I'm sure half those guys won't be on the team within two years.
I didn't think I could hate OSU anymore but hearing this makes it easy too. Honestly, what a douche move on his part. He should never be saying that about his players even if it is true.
"I didn't think I could hate OSU anymore" = I didn't think I could hate them any longer (because I now like them).
"I didn't think I could hate OSU any more" = I didn't think I could hate them more than I did before.
Sounds to me like he's setting the stage for some SEC-style roster trimming
What happened to positive reinforcement? Kindle the spirit? I'm glad he's down there. Nothing good can come of this kind of coach speak.
I believe we should judge Urb on the same standards by which Ohio fans judged RR on his various and occasional media missteps. That said: lulz DickUrb.
Urban's gonna implode. He's gonna be the anti-RichRod. He's gonna have troubles because he is clueless of the position he just stepped in, but where RichRod's sin was naivete, Urban's undoing will be brazen arrogance.
Not a surprising difference though, when you consider that one was a BMOC from the Big East, and one was a BMOC from the SEC.
You, sir, got it dead on! Meyer is THE most arrogant being I've ever come across.
3 months in Turdtown can only make a guy dumber. Urbie proving it.
but the Co-ed Banger stuff is beneath us; unless of course you have photos.
I'm pretty sure if anyone had pictures of such things, Urban Meyer would currently be the HC at Little Sisters of the Poor.
Furthermore- as soon as the tasteless references to Hoke's weight cease on their end, and the desires stated that he soon die of type 2 diabetes, I'll desist in referring to the rumors that Meyer liked to stick his pen in the company ink, so to speak. I personally don't feel the two are remotely comparable, but I realize I may be a blackened kettle, I'll fall on that sword.
This guy is a treasure chest of sound clips. Im sure he told parents in living rooms, that their children were marginal but he would love to have them there. If i were a parent that would be something I would LOVE to hear. Thank god my child can play for the one and only Urban Meyer, even if he is marginal. I for one am A-OK with marginal guys like Jake Ryan with real coaches who mold those guys into well rounded footballers. Comforting to know that coaches see talent and take the time to be just that. Coaches. Again, the Michigan Difference. I have a feeling Urbz big mouth won't sit well in the Big Ten.
that quote was from Urb circa 1990 from Ohio (not OSU). That's just judging from the look of the webpage and forum.
Since the post and all the followups are dated, the post being dated 2/10/12, as well as the followups clearly discussing Urban at OSU and this year's class, i think that it isn't from 1990.
...though, yeah, it looks like everybody logged in through their AOL account 22 years ago.
I look forward to our Team, Team, Team playing their collection of great and marginal dudes.
Pointing out that Urban is a douchebag is a lot like pointing out every time a spartan football player claims police brutality...There are no shortage of opportunities, but after a while it becomes redundant.
Yeah Urbs comments seem pretty douchetastic to me, it's also a backhanded comment towards Fickell and the rest of the staff that brought in the "marginal" talent. But holy cow there are some non-spelling folks that represent the buckeye nation, must all be tsiO graduates.
If he doesn't learn to filter out comments like this one, he won't have all buckeye fans behind him. Believe it or not, there are some smart and classy buckeyes out there who are and will be turned off by comments like this one. (I work with a PhD from OSU) Of course if he wins big, they might not complain much. I can't wait to hear Meyer's post-game comments after a loss, especially to "that school up north" he referred to, when the emotions and thoughts may be harder to keep in check.
Is any team in the country going to have worse chemistry than OSU? Throw together a bunch of guys in two weeks that have virtually no relationship with the coach or each other, then tell some of them they should't even be there. Smart move.
Would Hoke say that? No. Would freaking Saban say that? Probably. But he wouldn't be stupid enought to say it in public.
Wow. Although I've defended the OSU and MSU posts, I've been slow to buy into the idea that Meyer is sleazy. I think I'm there now. Honestly, has there ever been a time when the gap in integrity between our coach and our three big rivals' coaches (Meyer, Dantonio, Kelly) has been this vast? I feel like even most of those fans acknowledge that Hoke is a classy guy.
i'm sure he'll find a way to make sure the marginal guys suffer mysterious career ending injuries to open up space for others
The format of that forum is terrible. How can people deal with that?
It has got to the point that every time Urban opens his mouth I'm left wondering how he can out-douche his last comment. Here he is doing it again though. Here's to hoping his team remains "marginal"
Hoke loves his players. No matter a 5 star or a walk on. He would not blatantly disrespect his players. I'm just happy I root for the good guys with comments like that
I agree with Urban, but then again I'm also a douche.
Does every single Tsio fan online have to have the word "Buck" or some variation of it in their handle/avatar? is it a requirement to be a fan? the lack of creativity spells out how feeble minded they are. and now they are led by King Feeble Meyer himself. DERP
I think it's beyond awesome that one of his obvious targets is from the Boren clan. I wonder what Uncle @#$%nuts (that is, father of Justin) will say?
Honestly, I don't have a problem with Urban saying this. Yes, its d-baggy. However, i'd much rather a coach be straight-up about where his players stand with him than a player think they are safe only to have their scholarship not renewed at the end of the year.
Its a crappy way to motivate someone, but I'm sure Urb doesn't care about whether they feel a little pressure if it pushes them to work harder this offseason.
So it's d-baggy, but you have no problem with it? I think the issue that you overlook is that he supposedly said it to the media, not to the kids.
It's a great way to motivate some players. Other players priobably need to hear things like "I see something in you that the recruiting services didn't, and that's why you're here, and I will love watching you prove them all wrong for the next four years." I figured one of the thing a good coach/ assistant coach does is figure out what worksand apply it as needed.
Yes, definitely be straight up. As in, "I'm glad you're here, and I think you can really help us out, but you're gonna have to put in the work to do so. You need to improve in these areas to see the field."
Not, "You're marginal. You're not that great."
But did anyone else notice this exchange?
The Tressel era is officially over. * - The Governor [19:27:50 02/10/12]
So what. Save some of your wisdom after Meyer has one as many games at OSU as Tressel did** - rr1954 [19:33:44 02/10/12]
wun * - Buck Martini [20:23:02 02/10/12]
wun* is used to grammatically correct someone who has said "one". Is that tongue-in-cheek? I can't tell. Nobody questions it. I know it's OSU, but come on...
this is Ohio fergodsakes.
At least they're getting closer to what it really is. Just a few more tries.
I don't think the Buckeye nation will care what he says as long as he wins games. Just saying.
Though I will laugh when he leaves OSU in a few years for one reason or another. His dream job is Notre Dame.
Hey Meyer, Rich Rod already tried that "I'll say out loud the first thing that pops into my head, what could possibly go wrong?" stuff.
All those kids that are at Ohio State that Meyer didnt recruit, i feel extremely sorry for. hes going to abuse them like a red-headed step child...