I didn't see this posted yet, not really sure if it's post worthy. But apparently Urban has filed a complaint to the B1G about the whole "eye gouge" incident. I tend to lean more towards the side of this type of thing being pretty prevelant in the trenches, and no action should really be taken. However I do think it IS pretty "Bush League," as that idiot Matt Millen put it on CFB Live.
Urban files complaint to B1G
Uh, Hoke did exactly the same thing after the helment twist last year.
By that logic, Hoke is "busch league" as well?
But I believe OP was saying the eye-gouging was buss league
I didn't see millen's statement but I took it the same way you did, that the eye gouge itself was bush league
Yes, I was referring to the eye-gouging being bush league.
MSU in general is busch league.
I feel like "busch league" would bea beer pong tournament played exclusively with products from Anheuser-Busch
I don't blame Urban for this, it was not something that should be tolerated. Looking at the video, it did look like both the MSU and OSU guy were trying to do the same thing, still not cool to tolerate it.
The OP is probably right that it happens all the time, but when you get caught, some kind of action needs to be taken. I don't fault Meyer for sending this in at all.
"It happens all the time" is ridiculous.
Yeah, it's an agressive game, but intentionally inflicting serious injury on your opponent should never be taken lightly.
Just that stuff like this probably happens a lot, and just isn't caught on ABC's cameras.
Is Bosch league. Sorry, had to go there.
Sadly, the argument that "it happens all the time" is valid. The fact that it happens at all shouldn't be tolerated. The rules are in place; they just need to be enforced.
Well, it's not valid in the games my crew works. Usually you have at least 2 if not 3 covering officials in 5 man mechanics and in college they work 7 man so you have 3 to 5 covering officials. Dead ball unsportsman like 15 yards and a first down. Second offense in Florida is removal from the game...an ejection from any game results in an immediate 6 game suspension that can extend into the next year (if you have one). You can appeal but it takes 2 weeks to hear the appeal.
I hear the same meme about holding as well, but this is for a different thread.
It is hard to enforce things you don't see at the bottom of the pile.
Because the only one I could find it's a poor camera angle, but to me it looked like Hankins was trying to push Jack Allen away with a flat hand. Allen though was purposefully trying to shove his hand into Hankins' helmet.
Have to believe it happens everywhere. I only played HS ball but it happened there too. I've moved on from this one.
I played high school ball and never had anything remotely similar to this happen. I always wondered what people meant when they said this stuff happened on every pile up at every level. I assumed that was back in the 60's.
It's not the biggest deal in the world, but it should be addressed.
should be the new iphone app screen
Just to be that guy, the correct term is Bush league, as in out in the Bush or the Sticks. It is a baseball term stemming from small town, minor league teams. It isn't referring to Busch Light drinkers, or hillbilly types.
I was gonna join one.
I prefer the Miller leagues.
Maybe he's referring to beer league softball, where they drink primarily Busch.
Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of brewery products.
Bush League is an old baseball term for the minors but NASCARs lower series (now Nationwide) used to be the Busch Series since the beer was the main sponsor - so really both work just depends if you think Busch is worth drinking
If mork is going to report the tape incident to the league office, he shouldn't be shocked if Urban does something in retaliation. They both seem petty right now
My first thought when I saw this was that it was retaliation for MSU filing a complaint against OSU. Basically this all sounds like one big slap fight between Dantonio and Meyer.
Seems a bit more legit than crying that your opponent didn't reveal enough of their gameplan on game film.
This kind of stuff happens, just not always caught on film. I saw both guys trying to do the same thing. Dantonio obviously coaches his guys up better at the technique, though. MSU getting bad tape from Ohio and now this, the heat building between these teams is nice to see.
Too bad they dont play the next 3 years. Gotta protect that Indiana rivalry game for MSU
You know that if it was our rivalry with IU, we'd want that protected too. I mean, who wouldn't want that game protected.
how hypocritical. brandon spikes in 09 as a senior eye gouged a Georgia tailback when Urban was coaching at florida. The man sat Spikes for a quarter the next game.
I was thinking the exact same thing. He has nothing to gain by this, so I'm still trying to figure out the point. Maybe he's just getting back at them for calling him out on the film issue.
I do agree that he is prob just trying to get back at Dantonio for the film thing. I'm sure had he not made an issue of that, this also would have been left alone.
I could be wrong, but I thought he suspended him for the entire next game... This was also mentioned on CFB Live.
Spikes is actually the one that made the decision to sit out the entire game. I apologize for not finding the story or a link, but I'm not able to right now. I'm sure someone else can search it quickly, I'm just in a hospital waiting room. I believe Urban suspended him for a half (maybe a quarter), but Spikes stood up and chose to sit the entire game.
According to wikipedia, that's correct. Meyer suspended him for a half and he lengthened it to the full game.
Matt Millen would have been a great satire writer. His work with the Lions of Detroit was 8 years of satire brilliance.
I disagree, it was much more of a Greek tragedy.
Yes, this stuff happens all the time. No, it should not be completely overlooked. No, we don't need to spend any more time talking about it. Both coaches look like whiny little girls.
Busch league refers to Nascars shit league.. I believe the trucks.. Not out in the Bush..I dont care if im that guy
iirc, in the post-game interviews after the loss to Michigan State last year, everyone representing Michigan bit their tongue and refused to complain (about the Denard Helmet twist, and Gholston behavior, and what happened with Lewan, etc., etc.,) The comments from Michigan coaches and players were all along the lines of, "Football is a tough game, and you have to play it that way." Even is Hoke filed something with the league office, it is important not to whine, but to learn from the situation and play hard the next time.
I guess it is ok for Meyer to bring this to the league office, but complaining usually doesn't end all that well.
On a related note, I think it is becoming increasingly clear to Ohio fans that in the Big 10, it is open season on Braxton Miller. They have to see some of the similarities between what happened with Denard the last couple years, and what is happening with Miller. Miller is clearly a great athlete. But there comes a point where you have to weigh the benefit of a QB putting himself in harms way for a first down, versus saving yourself for another day. I wouldn't be surprised if Miller is pretty beat up by the end of the season. Nebraska will be tough, and it doesn't hurt Michigan that Ohio plays Wisconsin the week before.
The way Sparty played spoke for itself.
Wasn't it a few years ago that an OSU guy was trying to choke the WI QB in a pile and that was caught on tape? I know Urban was not coach at the time, but it is interesting how issues like these seem to erupt with MSU and OSU players every year or two.
Yep. That happened when Dantonio was the DC at OSU.
I think Dantonio was the D coach for Reynolds at the time. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Good to bring it up, if for no other reason than to keep people on their toes. This probably happens more times than not in piles, but still, going for the eyes seems unnecessary.
Herbstreit said the same thing when Nick Hill tweeted about Denard.
I'm just glad we no longer have a coach that gets involved in these slapfests...
When did any of our corches do that?
Trying to poke someone's eye out is uncool, common or no. Needs to be repudiated where it is exposed. This is one of those issues where you get a strand of commentators saying suckitupmanbaw, etecetera--just no. If tha's your kid getting his eyes gouged you don't want it happening. And all those kids are Hoke's kids, Myer's, Dantonio's; they've got a responsibility to protect them, and not to let them do stupid shit.
Besides, how common can it be? I don't see alot of players with black eyes, gouged eyes, etcetera.
I remember when one of Urbans guys did this at Florida he took such a hard line stance that he suspended him for a whole half of a game, only after it was on every media outlet that night and the next day. The player felt it was such a big distraction the he took himself out for the entire game.
I agree it's wrong on both counts, but Urban is one of the last guys in the NCAA to complain about discipline. Ironically this is the one instance where he can, because Dantonio is THE last guy who can complain about it, lol
clean out of its socket and swinging it around by the optic nerve like a trophy, and then flinging it into the student section. Are they not entertained?
I think it's a big deal. That's not football it's trash. I don't care if a state player does it or a Michigan player even. This isn't pro wrestling or some underground fight league.
Shhh... Dude, the first rule of Fight Club is........
NBC Sports did a nice little write-up on what they have termed "VIdeoGate" - (LINK)
The first sentence really does describe the tenor of what is going on between Dantonio and Meyer right now - "Ladies, please. You’re both beautiful."
That being said, even though NBC pointed out that the bottom of the pile is a "nasty place", and "what happens there tends to stay there", if you believe that you have evidence that something intentional was done, I don't have a problem with anyone sending the tape to the conference for review. Nothing may come of it, and in this case, it could very well be retaliation for the opposition's earlier complaint, but it's better potentially if you take this step regardless as trying to inflict life-altering harm on anyone should never be tolerated.
Having said this, wasn't Brandon Spikes accused of this at Florida back in 2009 when Urban Meyer was there? I think Meyer suspended him for a half. While not eye gouging, of course, I believe this is not the first time MSU has been caught on camera going over the top, like when a certain DE punched Lewan....
Appeared to be attempting to stick their fingers into each others' faces. As a hockey player though, I'm probably missing something.
As for this "stuff happens under the pile" line, I've heard of punches, broken fingers, and spitting, but not too often do you see guys exit the game after having their cornea scratched. Eye gouging, just like Gholston's Denard head snap, is to me way beyond the bounds of any "part of football" conversation. A punch can daze and a bone can mend, but MSU's behavior can lead to permanent, life altering disabilities. If I'm NCAA or BiG I suspend both MSU linemen (since you can't tell which one it was) for at least 3 games.
My Dads friends would always talk about stuff going down in pile ups but when I played HS football nothing ever happened to me other than I was spit on once.