i refuse to even consider this a possibility
It has been reported over at rivals by I forget who (sorry, either Tim or Chris) that the Michigan and Diggs have gone their seperate ways, and it was not Diggs who made that decision.
IF (Diggs and UM coaches had made arrangements for a visit) && (Diggs was visiting another school when UM coaches showed up for the visit) THEN
Diggs has decided to part ways with UM = TRUE;
We can't disparage a high school kid trying to figure out where the best place for him to go is, but I'm also totally cool with our coaches taking a very clear cut position on these situations: Be straight up or we're moving on. I don't want to see a repeat of any embarrassingly desperate groveling situations, a la Big Ears.
Hopefully Chesson will be on board soon.
Different type of player, but we do need his type of talent in Ann Arbor as well.
...as of Mr. Diggs, this doesn't surprise me. He's been quoted HIMSELF as saying he's trying to grow up. I'm not saying he's a bad kid, not at all. Just seems like there have been some maturity and responsibility issues for awhile so this doesn't surprise me.
I wish the kid the best, he's one hell of a talent. He's going to be an awesome player, and judging strictly off the article I'm referring to, he'll grow up and mistakes/miscommunications like this won't happen down the road. He seems very geniune in working at it, but he seems a lot more DeSean Jackson than say, Jason Avant.
He compared himself to Blake Countess and spoke highly of how he didn't feel he was up to the level, maturity wise as Blake and how he was working towards it. How he didn't feel he was worthy of a Michigan offer yet.
I'll be rooting for the kid.
Here is the article I'm referring to for those that are getting ready to neg for saying flowers doesn't shine out of the kids ass:
Apparently Stefon realizes he has some growing up to do. That's a good thing in that he recognizes this shortcoming at such a young age and is willing to discuss it publicly. I applaud the young man for being honest with himself, but I also respect the Michigan coaching staff for upholding expectations and standards. All recruits will understand this coaching staff will keep its word to potential recruits in a fair and wholesome manner. I wish young Mr. Diggs the best in choosing a school that meets his needs and hope he has an outstanding experience in college and beyond. Who knows maybe he will still choose Michigan down the line. I believe if he is sufficiently contrite the coaching staff may reconsider and welcome him to our family with open arms. Blake Countess as a teammate and close friend would be a great asset in helping him become more accountable and responsible. May God bless.
Minor quibble; Avant, himself, will tell you that he was a knucklehead until he was roughly 19 or so. He used to give talks at the end of his undergrad years about just that, to large audiences of students; I know he gave a big talk with a ton of students attending at 1800 Chem. I believe it was because he got religious sometime after his freshman year or so at Michigan (as in, actually found religion/reimmersed himself in it in some way). Point is, he (by his words, and "he" meaning Avant) probably at the age Diggs is, had some issues. And I only know of Avant's off-the-field life from Avant's discussions about it/speaking publicly about it in a way to try to help others, etc. So using the "Avant" comparison= not apt at same age, per Avant; perhaps "22 year old Avant" would be better, but that's not fair, comparing 22 year old Avant to 18 year old Diggs, IMO.
I knew that as well. I was more speaking of Avant now, who does a lot of the team, community and his neighborhood. He also is know for his faith and many other positive things in Philly. Tebow gets all the shine, but Avant does just a much.
He almost transferred early in his carrer though, you're correct. Diggs could be just that. I was just saying that today. He's more like DeSean Jackson then Jason Avant (today).
Best of luck to him else where. Although it is the coaches choice to no longer recruit him it sounds like he made that choice easy by leaving when he knew they were coming in on an in-home visit.
I hope that it was just a breakdown in communication and not just blowing our coaches off.
This is too bad because it seemed like he was really working hard to be recruited by Michigan. I wish him the best wherever he ends up.
I can't see how the coaches would make plans to go out there without having gotten assurances from Diggs that he would be present. If that is the case, and he went to Cal anyway, then shame on him.
Would have still liked him in a winged helmet.
you don't go to a meeting without confirming it ahead of time. That's just good business tactics. There has to be more to this story.
So the coaches went to his house and he was a no-show? Wow
I would have liked to see him play for us, but I do appreciate the hard-line stance that the current staff has taken with recruiting, both with players taking visits and this. If they can't respect the program, they aren't wanted.
This case isn't even taking a hardline stance, it's just accepting that someone isn't interested enough or respectful enough to even give you a call when you're flying across the country to see him. I just can't comprehend why he would do that. Especially since, as someone else said, he seemed to have worked really hard to get M interested in him again. Bizarre.
However, Sam said he expects Chesson to commit soon. I know Diggs is a bigger get than Chesson, but I would rather have a kid that gets warm and fuzzy inside thinking about playing for us.
Agreed. I would much rather have a kid who is sold on Michigan than a kid who obviously doesn't care. Because of Chesson's natural talent (good straight line speed and leaping ability, WOTS is he just needs to be coached up a bit), its not a tough decision to make.
And I think it is a pretty safe assumption that the visit mishap was more than just a misunderstanding. If the coaches are willing to stop recruiting a kid like that because of this, I think its safe to say Diggs did indeed leave without telling the coaches, in which case good riddance. If Diggs can't be respectful to a coach on a visit recruiting him, then there's no way he would fit in on a Hoke team.
Please take emotion out of the equation. I'd rather have Diggs.
I don't think Brionte Dunn has a warm and fuzzy feeling about Michigan. If anything, its OSU that has ahold of his heart. But the logical choice for him and his style of play is Michigan.
He's doing us a favor by giving us a glimpse of his character - good call (no brainer) for the coaches. Choose athletic ability over character and you've got the 2010 OSU team.
Chesson is no slouch. The recruiting services are not as high on him, but he has a decent offer list. Oklahoma State offered him, and that place has become a receiver factory.
When Michigan is showing up at your door, DO NOT leave and visit Cal. Seems like that would be common knowledge but I guess it is not. You can visit California when you are in the Rose Bowl.
Can't blame the coaches for breaking it off under those circumstances. Although I hope that some kind of miscommunication was to blame and that the door could open up again, it doesn't seem likely.
I hope it's a miscommunication; otherwise, this is just plain rude. It's not like the kid lives down the street from Ann Arbor.
I think the coaches would make sure it is not an innocent miscommunication before halting their pursuit.
That story sounds crazy, who knows that really happened but what's done is done and both parties can move on. I just hope he doesn't go to OSU.
If he doesn't go to UM, then I hope he goes to OSU. I have faith that our secondary will contain him.
After watching Posey run right past anyone who was guarding him, you are that sure? Granted it would seem he lacks the maturity the coaches are looking for and it sucks that we can officially cross him off (not that it was likely earlier), but I am not exactly rooting for him to go to TSIO just so we can beat him. Ya, I like the idea of Michigan and TSIO being college titans battling for Big Ten Champs, Rose Bowls, and possible national championship berths, but I am not rooting for 5 star freak athletes to start knocking at their door just because they acted immaturely towards our coaches. Such is life. We will find other guys and maybe they won't be as good as Diggs but we will find a way to get by.
It's all about accountability. To preach it, you have to live it.
Not that I think you're making it up, but it's not in the Post article.
A mod there said in a few words that Diggs isn't going to happen. Other posters gave the reason, which is why I felt I could post it here, because I'm not stealing any paid information.
No offense but not sure I really trust your info. The link you provide as evidence says nothing to the effect that he's not going to eventually come to Michigan. Why even post a link if it has nothing to do with your post? Sounds like you're reaching to me.
This is strange if true given his relationship with Blake Countess.
Countess sounds a lot different than Diggs. Just because they were team, doesn't mean they have the same maturity or character.
Huh? All that article says is that he isn't visiting this weekend anymore, nothing about where he is going to college
1. Sucks if true but not likely we have room for another WR by time he plans to commit.
2. We offered 2013 RB Dorian O'Daniel and CB Kendall Fuller while at Good Counsel so not a total waste of a trip.
I like Chesson. He's a tall receiver and the coaches like that. It looks like he's got decent speed, decent hops and he's pretty smooth. He sounds like a taller Roy Roundtree, and who can hate on that?
His school (Ladue) and my 3 kid's school (MICDS) tangled in the regular season and in the playoffs. His name was announced constantly on both sides of the ball. The kid is a player.
From the reports I've read he has great straight line speed, good leaping ability, and is a good blocker; the knocks on him are his shiftiness and route running (the latter can be coached up). All in all the rankings are understandable (although he seems more like a 4 star to me), but he is perfect for Borges' offense.
Those knocks aren't that big of a deal because (as you said) route running can be learned, and shiftiness isn't as big of a deal in a 6'3" receiver. AJ Green isn't shifty either, but he's doing OK.
Somebody needs to get that boy a daily planner.
I said some things about Diggs and his character issues and was blasted for it, but this is one of the reasons I never wanted him. Hell of a talent, but not the kind of guy I want at Michigan...
I hope this was just a huge mess up and its not a dealbreaker... Kid has the potential to be a gamebreaker. Hell, that quote doesn't even seem like it's for sure that he isn't coming this weekend. He said not sure.
Let me read in between the lines for you." I was going to visit Michigan but I screwed up. Now I am not sure if they even want me still, so I may visit one of these other schools."
If he admits his wrongs, and shows that he wants to wear the maize and blue still, he could regain the interest of the coaches.
Pharoah Brown disagrees with that statement.
In my mind, it's different and we really don't know the story. With Brown, he was specifically told that he wasn't considered a commit if he were to visit somewhere. With Diggs, there easily could have been a mix-up. We dont know everything that happened.
just dropped him for no valid reason. I trust our coaches more than that. They haven't done anything to make me think they're unfair with kids. Quite the opposite.
On top of JR's comments, it was more than just taking a trip to Oregon. He was told that they wouldn't consider him a commit if he took trips, but if he told them that he wanted to see a few other schools and see what they had to say, then maybe the coaches would not have crossed him off completely but just considered him uncommitted. It was the underhand manner of trying to sneak a visit in against the coaches policy and now he has to deal with the consequences. If he had told Hoke, I think Hoke would have been fine, we will continue recruiting you and take your time, but no promises that a spot will be open if you decide you want to recommit. By the way, where were the parents on that one? Trying to sneak visits in? Why not just tell your kid to tell Hoke he wants to check out a few other options? Aw well.
I'm not saying these are terrible, terrible things. They are more like irresponsible teenage things, but the grades and the flakiness would give a perception of a higher-risk kid. He's probably a gamebreaker, but not worth the risk. Too many flameouts in the recent years ...
If we can't get him, and it appears that we won't, I hope he's the next Desean Jackson at Cal rather than OSU.
Cancer? I don't think hes a cancer? He just left for his official visit. I'd like him to stay as far away as possible from Ohio.
You have Hoke on speed dial? You can't call him a cancer, if you dont know the whole story.
I said this above, but I think its safe to assume that the visit mishap was more than a misunderstanding. If the coaches are willing to drop a kid like that off of their board after a non-visit, he definitely showed them up. If it was just a misunderstanding, they would apologize and keep recruiting him, given his talent.
I never got hope in for Diggs...I'd be cool with Chesson this year and Treadwell in 2013.
I just hope to God that he isn't drawn in by the snake oil salesman that is Urban Meyer. I completely agree with the coaches though. If he doesn't take the time to make sure to meet with our coaches when they are in the area then he isn't interested
will paint him as the next Percy Harvin. Remember Diggs, Desmond Howard got all the hardware (Heisman, Bilitnikof, Super Bowl, SB MVP etc....) not Percy. Go Blue!!!!
if he were to land at tuos. Something just seems abrupt about this...similar to Dunn visiting their this weekend.
Fine with me, leaves us a spot open for Dorial Green-Beckham
Or, "Megatron's Clone?" Let's get him! ;)
Thats fine by me. If he ends up at Ohio, then Yuri Wright will shut his ass down.
I don't always talk about 17 year old boys, but when I do, I prefer michigan commits.
I was talking about Yuri Wright when he comes to mich. Im that confident he will go blue
You want strong character guys, and guys that want to be at Michigan. Honestly, if Diggs really wanted to be at Michigan, he could have easily given a verbal commitment already. Compromising your values to bring in a recruit because someone is a 4 or 5 star is short sighted, and simply doesn't pay off in the end. Exhibit A: TP & Ohio.
Not only am I not disappointed, I'm pleased that this came out now, and not later. Yes, Diggs is a High School student, and his head is spinning with the courting going on. But choices he makes now typically correlate and predict choices down the road. Having Michigan coaches show up and be told by someone else, "sorry, come back later, he's in California today" is absolutely inexcusable and a gross lack of respect. They wasted time and money that could have spent on another visit. If Diggs didn't appreciate that, it is his loss.
It is better to move on today than to have him accept an offer and cause problems down the road. Even worse, make a verbal commitment now and pull it on or around signing day. This is clearly a case where a "bird in the hand is worthy two in the bush." Specifically, I'd rather have Payton, or Chesson, or Madaris, or Powe, than hold out hope for Diggs and have him go down in flames.
This is Michigan, for God's sake. Some of these guys need to shit or get off the pot. Diggs will not make or break this class. We can take four more at most, and from the post with Recruit decision dates there are at least 11 solid recruits still in the mix, most ranked with 4 or 5 stars. It is getting to be the time to stop saving room on the bus. Hoke and Mattison know what they are doing, and this is shaping up as the greatest recruiting class in years.
It takes more than being able to run fast, tackle, or jump high to be a Michigan Wolverine, and I want to see us keep it that way. Let's hope he learns a lesson from this, and let others see what we have done and know that we don't tolerate that kind of stuff. Let him go to the SEC!
Hoke, when asked the reason for the success of this year's team said: "They like each other."
Therefore, when a player displays a selfish lack of common courtesy---not showing for a prearranged and agreed-upon visit--that failure should raise questions about how much this players' teammates will like him. It should raise questions about whether the player will contribute to the common good of the team. No matter how many stars a player has, star ratings are unreliable, and, in the end, he may end up subtracting more than he adds to the team.
Hoke, as a disciple of Bo, certainly recognizes what is most important to success::
"The team. The team. The team."
that Richrod brought in some really solid guys, and kept some really solid Lloyd guys around. Not trying to start a Richrod discussion, just cool that the team seems so down to earth despite all the crap they've been through
He also brought in a bunch of guys who bailed on the program.
Not trying to hijack, but with all the talk about Chesson committing soon, does that mean we've cooled on Payton?
He seems like he wants to take his time with his decision. I don't think that we have cooled on him, but the question is if there will be a spot once he does decide.
We don't want Diggs anyways!
This will prove to be for the best in retrospect. Mich rather have Jehu, who will bleed maize and blue. Come on down Jehu, come and be a part of this awesome tradition.
If you are interested in Michigan, you better walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Cliche, I know, but it's obviously the rule now based off this and Pharoh Brown's visit to Oregon.
Sucks. He would've been a Watkins like game changer, but with AD already in the fold and Chesson (a big target for odds are Gardner and then Morris) odds are coming in, I'm not too beat up about this.
I'm disappointed If we really don't have a chance anymore, no matter who's decision it is to end it.
how is it not Diggs' decision, when he knew the coaches were coming to his home, but decided to visit another school?
I doubt he's losing any sleep over it. It's not like Michigan was one of his top three finalists. The kid still seems interested in a bunch of schools.
Like, "Those who show up to begin with..."
"As far as Michigan's interest, it's a business and they had some concerns about me academically," Diggs admitted.
I want to . . . make sure there are certain things in place for me to succeed in school. I like people staying on top of me and that kind of thing. I know it's college, but I need a little extra help sometimes here and there."
This was early in the recruiting process. Diggs had turned things around as the year went on.
Obviously he's a markie name, but if the ship has sailed in the fashion it has it makes sense to move on. Just don't go to Ohio!!!!!!FFS.
Odds are we'll never know about what happened with the coaches visit or that we'll ever know who cooled on who. By all accounts Diggs is supposed to be a good kid, which is probably at least in some small part why we were interested.
If it hasn't or doesn't work out, it's okay. We'll pick up another recruit. This recruit may not be as highly ranked. This recruit may turn out to be a first rounder at some point. This recruit might not pan out...........we don't know.
For now, I'll keep trusting the coaches and wish young Mr. Diggs all the best with his future.
I'm kind of embarrassed by the kid's flaking out on the coaches if that's true.
To answer all the
#Michigan fans about Diggs, they are still in it, he hasn't really eliminated any of his 9 or so yet
But we only want men who want to wear the Maize and Blue. Not Diggs. What an ass.
We don't know if this is 100% true. I'm not going to crucify this kid without knowing for sure.
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to fill spots ASAP and looking for recruits who aren't looking to take visits/decide closer to signing day.
They were all about McNamara, he didn't come right away so they were on the PA tight end. He didn't come, so they offered Grant from Kalis' school.
Personally, I'd like to see a fight for some top guys until the end with these last 4 spots. This is Michigan, we can get a Big East bound 3* TE whenever we want.
on this site, at least. We're classy!
rivalsmike Mike Farrell
We just need to keep on keep'n on with Diggs. After all, life's a garden - Digg it.
this must be why we got Darboh.
This is the type of thing that makes people question Diggs' character...
...and yet when we questioned his character in the past, many people got upset.
Where there's smoke there's often fire when it comes to recruiting. Rumors don't just start for no good reason.
I don't remember the Diggs character conversation, but the fact that some/most rumors are true doesn't mean that all rumors should be spread. That's especially true when the rumors are about high school kids that we haven't met.
As long no Ohio State, cool.
I'd like to have someone with his talent commit to the school obviously, but only if they truly want to be here.
"Apparently Diggs and the coaches had an arrangement for an in-home visit but Diggs took an official visit to Cal instead, without telling the coaches. So the coaches showed up while Diggs wasn't there"
Then I don't want this kid in a winged helmet. I'm not saying all of our recruits have to be saints, but some basic respect for others seems like a good starting point. Best of luck, Mr. Diggs.
"Ain't no use in havin a tiger in the house, if it's just gonna turn around and bite ya in the ass"
Too bad he seems flakey - would've loved to see this guy in the slot catching passes in the big house.
Per this twitter message,
"Michigan coaches were seen at Good Counsel HS (MD) today, visiting w/ 5-star WR Stefon Diggs & 4-star RB Wes Brown."
In theory, Diggs still could have arranged an in-home with these coaches, invited Hoke to join them, and then skipped out of the scheduled in-home visit.
But the fact that coaches met with Diggs at his school makes me wonder if we have the whole story.
1. You can't "get" them all.
2. Trust the coaches. They know what they are looking for and what they aren't.