ypsituckyboy

July 22nd, 2014 at 9:17 AM ^

My only comment on that would be that GRIII was in basically a professional S&C program in high school. He came in absolutely ripped and had already made a lot of the gains that you see some of the guys make between their FR and Soph years. I highly doubt Chatman is in the sort of physical shape that GRIII was as a FR.

ypsituckyboy

July 22nd, 2014 at 10:12 AM ^

I can guarantee that you, random internet guy, have absolutely no idea what the workout routine of some recruit is unless you happen to be friend's with them (unlikely). Many college athletes work with "pros" (i.e. some trainer at the local Y) while in high school, but, magically, those pros are not nearly as qualified or capable as college S&C coaches. What I'm saying is that it usually takes at least a year to take a college freshmen and make their body B1G ready, although there is the occasional physical-freak-outlier (GRIII). That's partly why Nik and Caris made such a huge leap last year. You just can't transform someone's body in two or three months.

 

alum96

July 22nd, 2014 at 11:15 AM ^

Not sure what you 2 are arguing but unless Wilson redshirts (which seems unlikely) Chatman's playing time won't be anywhere near GR3 as a freshman so it is pretty moot.  Chatman on paper seems a lot more polished skills wise so I assume is going to start and get 20-25 and Wilson the rest. 

As for S&C some guys are naturally built as well ... so you can't even do an eye test; some dudes just have genetics.  Look at Irvin - he was a physical specimen the minute he walked onto campus and went to the same HS as Gary Harris and Harris looked nothing like Irvin body wise 24 months ago when he arrived at MSU. 

Thankfully we are at the point we should not have to have a freshman play mega minutes as GR3 was required to.

SECcashnassadvantage

July 22nd, 2014 at 6:45 AM ^

He looks a bit taller by Peppers, if you look at them near each other. If that's possible to do.

Rumsey

July 22nd, 2014 at 8:43 AM ^

If I remember correctly, Caris was 6 foot 5, 165lbs when he arrived on campus which really puts into perspective how much he's worked in just two years.

WhoopinStick

July 22nd, 2014 at 9:23 AM ^

Gald to hear Caris is doing well and is continuing to add size.  But these guys 

Caris - 6'7" 200 lbs

MAAR - 6'4"  175 lbs

Dawkins - 6'6" 190 lbs

are all pretty skinny.   Hopefully Sanderson can work his majic with these guys

Skinny or not, I look forward to watching them play.  Should be another fun season of hoops!

 

 

alum96

July 22nd, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^

Yes I am not so concerned about weight like some people on these threads especially for guys playing 2 and 3 - i.e. Caris, MAAR, Dawkins.  They are not inside banging or going to lose rebounds due to being pushed around a lot.  There are plenty of college guys sub 200 lbs 6'5, 6'6 who do fine.  As others said this is not football where at almost every position another 15 lbs doesn't hurt.  Caris played very well last year at a lower weight - if he added 10 lbs this offseason I would have considered it gravy.  So he grew an inch and added 15 lbs while being off his foot for a good stretch, very good. 

I am more concerned with Doyle turning some his weight into more muscle, and Chatman and Wilson gaining "good" weight as those are the guys who have to deal with bigger players inside.  Donall is a good case - just looking at his photos he looks like he could gain another 10 lbs and still look pretty sleek for his size but is now at a good college weight for a guy that is 6'9.