*Updated*: Brandon (and Hollis) at MSED Summer Tailgate Luncheon

Submitted by MGoShoe on

Today, the Marketing and Sales Executives of Detroit (MSED) hosted their "Summer Tailgate Luncheon: The Business of Branding College Athletics" featuring Dave Brandon and Mark Hollis.

The event was livestreamed and is now available to watch at the MSED link above, but I didn't catch onto it until I saw a Kyle Meinke retweet of new A2.com Michigan basketball reporter Nick Baumgardner (give him a follow, BTW).

Baumgardner's article at A2.com focuses on the issue of paying athletes.

...Michigan’s second-year athletic director got right to the point when asked his thoughts on the pay for play debate.

“I’m flatly opposed to this notion of paying student-athletes,” Brandon said. “I don’t think you could possibly coach a team where part of them are being compensated and part of them are not.

“Once you start paying them as if they were employees, then you’re going to be 1099ing these folks, bringing in accountants and lawyers to work through tax issues which leads to contract negotiations and probably even a union. It’s just absurd.”

Meinke's article is broader in its focus with quotes about the lacrosse program, social media, revenue sources, what "wow" means, among other items.

Brandon said building brands — which is a primary reason why he took the job at Michigan — is about more than the product that is put on the field.

“We’re trying really hard to do some things with event execution that makes our events special. So, when you see people parachuting in with the game ball, when you see Lady Gaga tunes being performed by the marching band, when you see fans using technology in the stadium that afford people the ability to watch replays and keep track of scores, when you see fireworks when we host the largest hockey game in the history of hockey … our first (home) night game in 132 years of Michigan football Sept. 10, we’re working really hard to create events that are memorable.

“Above and beyond the competition, which is most important, we want to create wows for our customers, those fans and those reporters who make that programs work.”


Here are Baumgardner's and Meinke's tweets from the event. Caution, these are tweets that were made as the event unfolded. They aren't always exact quotes and they often lack context.

  • Meinke: Theme of banquet is branding in sports. With respect to Mark Hollis, Dave Brandon seems like a pretty appropriate speaker.
  • Meinke: Brandon: sports are the "front porch" to universities.
  • Baumgardner: Brandon says if you want a strong brand, first up is 'you'd better run a clean program.'
  • Meinke: Brandon: the impact of NCAA violations on brands is "phenomenal." Pointed to example he "walked into" and at Michigan, situation at Miami.
  • Baumgardner: Brandon discusses importance of creating 'wows' for customers/fans. Night game, Big Chill, etc.
  • Baumgardner: Brandon says adding lax was part of the department's 'grow in every way' strategy. Also, allows school to build brand, increase donors.
  • Meinke: Brandon on why he added lacrosse: strategic initiative to increase number of sports/athletes. Lax adds 85 athletes, 25 scholarships.
  • Baumgardner: Michigan received $5 million in lacrosse donor money in six months.
  • Meinke: Brandon said plans under way for fundraising, planning for new lacrosse facilities. Plans to invest millions in program.
  • Baumgardner: Hollis jokes with Brandon 'I wish I had your budget -- I wish I had half your budget.'
  • Baumgardner: Hollis jokes he's glad UM has vid boards this year, because MSU is doing the same next year -- and will make them 'bigger and better.'
  • Meinke: Hollis said he knows he has sports at MSU, such as wrestling and swimming, for which the school doesn't give its teams a chance to compete.
  • Baumgardner: Brandon: social media creates great opportunity for college athletics, but also brings a big risk factor.
  • Meinke: Hollis said he has two or three meetings ever week with athletes/coaches regarding use of Twitter.
  • Meinke: Brandon: 'I think every athletic director sleeps with one eye open because of the temptation that faces their kids.'
  • Baumbardner: Brandon states the obvious -- football moves Michigan's needle, and so he watches the program 'real close.'
  • Meinke: Brandon said he's fortunate bc as economy soured, UM's revenue has grown double-digits bc of Michigan Stadium suites. Expects same this yr
  • Meinke: Brandon said UM football accounts for 66% of AD revenue. "if you're going to put all your eggs in 1 basket, you better watch your basket"
  • Meinke: Brandon, on today's recruiting: "If I would have told Bo I was going to announce my decision at a press conference, he would have killed me"
  • Baumgardner: Brandon gives big props to @BigTenNetwork and its impact on the brand of every league program.
  • Baumgardner: Brandon says he's flatly opposed to notion of paying student-athletes.
  • Meinke: [Brandon] said almost every athlete has no "commerciality"
  • Baumgardner: Both ADs asked if it's time to come up with a new name for the conference. Hollis: 'No.' Brandon: 'Hell, no.'
  • Baumgardner: Brandon says he gets more advice than ever with his job, jokes that 'and I thought people were serious about pizza ...'
  • Meinke: Brandon: I used to think people had strong opinions about pizza. Now, if I piss off 20% of the people, I think I'm doing pretty good.

Lots to chew on there. Have at it.

lexus larry

August 22nd, 2011 at 2:16 PM ^

Fr**p's weak attempts to link the $5M in new donations to the addition/subtraction of Hoke/RichRod, about 2-3 weeks ago, when they found all of two people who were going in halfsies for club seat tickets.  I wonder how they'll split 7 games next year, with Bama being a "home game" in the Jerry Dome?

Blue in Seattle

August 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 PM ^

Now if Hoke is directly responsible for the increase in Lacrosse donations, I'd say he definitely is the big needle that moves Michigan athletics!  I think it's just the fact that David Brandon understands there was another market segment to conquer in that very broad and proud Michigan Alumni Market.

MGoShoe

August 22nd, 2011 at 2:09 PM ^

...to view in its entirety as indicated above. If you were to actually watch it before reacting, you'd realize that he characterized Michigan's violations as minor in commission, but had significant negative impacts on Michigan's brand. That hardly seems controversial to me.

dennisblundon

August 22nd, 2011 at 2:10 PM ^

What do you know, Brandon showed up in the media again. His heart is in the right place without question but it is only a matter of time before he goes all Gee and sticks his foot in his mouth.

philibuster

August 22nd, 2011 at 2:11 PM ^

Meinke: Brandon: 'I think every athletic director sleeps with one eye open because of the temptation that faces their kids.'

Baumgardner: Brandon says he's flatly opposed to notion of paying student-athletes.

Doesn't the latter relieve the temptations presented in the former? I feel like maybe Brandon doesn't want to pay kids because it would cut into his bottom line.

Callahan

August 22nd, 2011 at 2:24 PM ^

It relieves it if you're completely naive and think that a kid getting a stipend or even a salary will turn down free anything from an agent/sleazeball like Shapiro. 

Greed is greed and free is free. If a kid will take illegal benefits when he's paid nothing but a scholarship, he'll likely take the same benefits if he's getting paid. 

JeepinBen

August 22nd, 2011 at 2:49 PM ^

IIRC Brandon was in favor of FCOA Scholarships, which is somewhat different than paying players.

Also lets say you make $35,000 a year. If I say "Hey, do you want $5,000 and a truck" won't you say yes?

Now let's say you make $40,000 a year. If I say "Hey, do you want $5,000 and a truck" won't you still say yes?

Free stuff is free stuff. Paying the players a small stipend wont make that desire go away

lexus larry

August 22nd, 2011 at 2:23 PM ^

but I went to U-M to get a degree at the best college I could get into.  The football team wasn't a reason for me to be there.  My reasons for going to AA today are for cultural or athletic events.

I'm mystified by the "damage done" by the NCAA sanctions...unless there are surveys showing that somehow the reputation of the university is downgraded, or someone can show an impact to revenues (unlikely, since DB his-own-bad-self is stating double digit growth for the AD).

Not saying one shouldn't support and hold their organization in the highest regard, with extremely high expectations throughout...it's just, don't make it seem like the old New Yorker cartoon "Will there ever be a Chemistry Department the football team can be proud of?"

MGoShoe

August 22nd, 2011 at 7:39 PM ^

...but it's dangerous to make judgments based solely on tweets. Here's the full quote:

 “Sports are many times referred to as the front porch of a university. I can tell you, we have researchers all over campus right now making discoveries that will change the world. We’ve got people over there saving lives by the hour at our health systems.

“Chances are, none of that will be in the newspaper tomorrow, or reported nationally, but if Denard Robinson gets a hang-nail, it’ll be on the front page.”

Does that context make you feel better?

Geaux_Blue

August 22nd, 2011 at 2:29 PM ^

Why won't Nick Baumgardner speak in public on reports he is wanted in three European countries for the enslavement and torture of dolphins and one centaur? What does he have to hide and why, more importantly, can't he produce said animals for inspection?

JEL

August 23rd, 2011 at 12:08 AM ^

Must be a marketing thing (66%= all your eggs in one basket). We all know in sports vernacular its (110% = all your eggs in one basket).