Everyone Murders

October 17th, 2016 at 9:55 AM ^

I can see being heavy favorites against MSU given their season and lack of an O-line.  And general lack of a QB so far.  And giving up 54 points at Spartan Stadium to a pretty meh Northwestern team.

60%+ favorites against OSU at Ohio Stadium?  That sounds a bit much to me.  But to quote Travis from The Dismemberment Plan, I'd rather be happy than right this time.

FauxMo

October 17th, 2016 at 10:02 AM ^

I'll bet my left nut, right nut, and center nut (don't ask) that we will NOT be favored by 34 at MSU. I could see in the 21-24 range, but 34 is too much for a rivalry game. And I truly think Dantonio would forfeit the rest of the season to win that game... 

Hannibal.

October 17th, 2016 at 10:19 AM ^

I have watched them play but I don't care.  I have also watched Dantonio and his staff outprepare our coaches and their staff for a decade, a trend that spans four head coaches. 

The people who think that this will be an easy victory for Michigan are in for a very rude awakening.  It will basically be a replay of this year's OSU-Wisky game and a coin flip in the end. 

FauxMo

October 17th, 2016 at 10:24 AM ^

Dantonio was 0-1 against Lloyd Carr. He "outprepared" Carr into a loss in a season where UM had lost to Appy State. He "outprepared" Harbaugh into a completely fluke, luck win in a season where his team went to the CFP. So you may want to settle down a bit on the hyperbole... 

Hannibal.

October 17th, 2016 at 10:32 AM ^

Our '07 win was a huge fluke.  MSU absolutely outplayed us in that game until the last five minutes.  It was a terrible coaching job by Carr bailed out by a ridiculous talent overload at the end. 

Last year's win was a fluke at the end but before that we were only leading because of special teams domination -- i.e. Blake O'Neill's punts and Jabrill Peppers.  MSU dominated us in terms of yardage, first downs, etc.  They stole the game at the end but we had previously stolen it from them.  Not an encouraging sign for future games. 

jmblue

October 17th, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^

I get your general point but you're going too far here.  

First, there was nothing fluky about our '07 win.   Yes, we came from behind, but there was nothing particularly unusual during the comeback - no dodgy penalties, miracle turnovers, etc.  We drove for a TD, got a defensive stop, scored another TD, and got another stop.  

And last year we led from start to (almost finish).  If '07 is a fluke because we were behind, by that logic '15 certainly is a fluke.  ESPN calls it the biggest statistical anomaly of the last 10 years (we had statistically a 99.8% chance of winning entering that last play).

 

AA Forever

October 17th, 2016 at 10:42 AM ^

Dantonio is a very good coach, and we are 0-9 trying to look impressive against him. Talent aside, he will have that team fired up to play us, and will have a game plan to frustrate our offense. He'll bring lots of pressure on Speight early, force him into bad throws and cash at least one INT into a score. Then he'll load up the box with 8 or 9 and dare Harbaugh to beat him with a shaky QB. Harbaugh will go super-conservative and try to run the ball against a stacked D all afternoon. We'll likely still win in the end, but it will be a nervous, frustrating game that will not be in the bag until the very end.

TheCool

October 17th, 2016 at 11:02 AM ^

You're confusing Harbaugh with some other coach and it is, frankly, ridiculous. Dintini has coached very well, but with the team he has there isn't much that can be done to reduce the gap between our team and his. Miracles happen, but you're totally exaggerating how much scheme can change the outcome when a team is literally terrible.

AA Forever

October 17th, 2016 at 11:20 AM ^

His rosters are loaded with 2 and 3 star recruits, and yet every year he seems to make up that "gap" between his talent and ours. You can be sure that he will again this year. And no, I'm not confusing Harbaugh with anyone. I saw him go ultra-conservative at the end of last year's game and try to run the ball for a first down against a defense that had stuffed the run all day, when one short completed pass would have ended the game. I guarantee you will be yelling at the TV all game, wondering how the hell State can be doing what they're doing against us.

Real and Spectacular

October 17th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^

Just so that you don't feel alone, I agree. We played the end of the game last year not to lose it. MSU was playing true freshmen all over their defense because of injuries and still shut down our offense. I hope we learned something from that. We are better this year and I expect to win, but I've been let down by our effort against them pretty much 8 years in a row (the lone win was a crapfest between 2 bad teams). If this game is close, I will have no surprise at all.

Chalky White

October 17th, 2016 at 12:41 PM ^

The fluke was that FB running for 74 yds. If he gets tackled anywhere between where he caught the ball and the redzone, time runs out before that final play. Michigan was up 2 scores at that point. 

jmblue

October 17th, 2016 at 3:18 PM ^

I don't know that he recognized any particular tendency.  He called a gadget play and as it happened, Delano Hill got sucked in too close to the line of scrimmage.  He also called a fake punt which blew up in his face, incidentally.  He doesn't bat 1.000 on this stuff.

None of which changes the fact that he had this game lost until the most improbable ending in college football in the last 10 years (per ESPN's statisticians) happened.

 

 

 

 

TheCool

October 17th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^

No, no, no. You're confusing the gap I'm stating as a difference in recruiting stars. No, sir. The gap I'm referring to is the dramatic difference between the actual on field performance between our teams. MSU looks absolutely horrible. There is not a single position on the field where they have performed better than Michigan. So, no, this isn't about talent projection based on high school performance, the gap to which I refer is about what the teams have shown thus far. Look, you're scared. I get it. Michigan has lost to MSU quite often. But, there is very little similarity between those RR/Hoke Michigan teams and this one, not to mention this is Dantonni's worst MSU team.

jmblue

October 17th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^

My disagreement here is with your assumption that trends that held against Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hoke will hold against Jim Harbaugh.  

Dantonio is extraordinarily lucky not to be 0-1 against Harbaugh (this cannot be emphasized enough), and that was possibly the least-talented Michigan team he'll ever face under Harbaugh.

 

hunterjoe

October 17th, 2016 at 11:57 AM ^

The piece that has stood out to me is Mork has their team playing tough (generally).  Our teams have been soft under the previous regimes.  Not so with the current one.  They win by playing tough and mean.  We just seemed to try to be too nice.  That's gone now.  Yes, they will be prepared, yes they will play tough/mean/hard/dirty, yes we will still be able to handle it.  Like mentioned, there isn't a single position group that they have a noticeable advantage on us other than PK.  Harbaugh will ALSO be prepared and we will see a dominating performance.  It's not only a big game for them, this is a HUGE game for us.  We will be prepared.  

Sten Carlson

October 17th, 2016 at 12:11 PM ^

^^^ this!!! The game might be big for MSU, but it's WAY bigger for Michigan. I've always thought the "save the shitty season by beating your biggest rival ..." meme is overblown. MSU has set a new low under MD the year after setting a new (recent) high. As you said, Michigan has one of the absolute best in the business preparing his players and scheming, as well as one of the most dynamic players in CFB. I expect the MSU game to be the "Jabrill Peppers show" in many ways and I don't think MSU has any answer for him.

AA Forever

October 17th, 2016 at 12:04 PM ^

His team outplayed us all day and dominated statistically. If anyone was lucky, it was us, to have been ahead at all. Dantonio was coaching to win and had his guys fighting hard right up until the last play, and it paid off. Harbaugh was playing not to lose, and relaxed before the game was over, and it cost him a win, in humiliating fashion. There's no "luck" there, just better, harder playing and better coaching.

AA Forever

October 17th, 2016 at 1:43 PM ^

do what I mentioned. That's absolutely basic in a situation like that, and he simply didn't do it. What happened on the field is all the evidence you need, dude. Hurling insults doesn't change the facts, it just shows you have nothing else.

BigBlue02

October 17th, 2016 at 6:10 PM ^

So if I'm reading this correctly, you think Harbaugh told his punter if he dropped th ball, to pick it up and try to punt it anyway? I have no problem telling you you're a fucking idiot if you think that. Every coach who has ever coached football has told his punter to fall on the ball if they fumble th snap. I'm not even a football coach and I can say with 100% certainty that Harbaugh didn't tell his punter to try to do what O'Neil did.