Update on Homeless Baylor Player - NCAA Twitter says he was NOT ruled ineligible

Submitted by EastCoast Esq. on

So...that's something.

 

The NCAA did not declare Silas Nacita ineligible and Baylor has not requested a waiver for him.

— NCAA (@NCAA) February 25, 2015

Update from comments: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/baylor-rb-silas-nacita-says-ncaa-ruled-him-ineligible--but-the-story-has-holes-193612512.html

Nacita may have deliberately ignored NCAA-compliant alternative options.

The Mad Hatter

February 25th, 2015 at 3:04 PM ^

be getting hammered with angry calls, emails, tweets, and whatever else the kids are using these days.

Wonder what the real story is here?  Either way, the NCAA can die in a fire.

Bando Calrissian

February 25th, 2015 at 3:26 PM ^

Supposedly he was a walk-on, thus no housing, grant-in-aid, etc. 

That being said. I don't know how a head coach, position coach, his teammates, team managers, etc. couldn't figure out his situation almost instantaneously.  There's no way, in a situation as tight as a college football team, that this kid was homeless for any period of time without someone knowing something. 

This whole thing doesn't add up.

WolvinLA2

February 25th, 2015 at 4:07 PM ^

But is it a bad rule? No one had a problem with it when it was USC paying for Reggie Bush's poor mom to have housing. But now it's a bad rule? What's the difference? Because we hate USC, because Bush was good? It seems like the same thing to me. Rules are in place for a reason. Sometimes the way those rules are applied seems silly. But you can't go around making exceptions all the time. I sell medical equipment, which means I'm not allowed to buy gifts for physicians. This includes buying flowers for a doctor when her husband dies. Is that silly? Of course, but that's the rule and it needs to be applied uniformly. If Baylor wanted to give this kid a scholarship which would have included housing, they could have. But they didn't. So let's not get pissed at the NCAA.

FreddieMercuryHayes

February 25th, 2015 at 4:11 PM ^

What I'm wondering about is, first, if he really is/was homeless, there's got to be an NCAA waiver.  Second, there has to be housing available through the university for homeless/low income students.  Third, if, as in the original article, he took housing from an old friend, the pre-existing relationship makes it not an NCAA violation.  Baylor has a huge compliance department.  Maybe a bad assumption, but I would think Baylor would do their due diligence before declaring him ineligable.  I'm starting to think there's more going on that Baylor/NCAA just isn't/won't talk about.  We'll see I guess.

Bando Calrissian

February 25th, 2015 at 4:16 PM ^

There's really no excuse for any student to be homeless. Most/all schools have emergency funds any student can access, basically a short-term loan, if something like a housing emergency is involved. We're talking a few thousand bucks. It has to be paid back, but it's enough to get you through, and the interest rates are normally 0%, IIRC. All three institutions I've attended had them, and I know students who have taken advantage of it.

If this kid didn't have somewhere to live, all he had to do was dial up the university, explain his situation, and as a student, he'd have access to help to at least put down a down payment and/or first month's rent to buy some time. And there shouldn't be an NCAA issue, because it's something available to any student in dire, emergent need.

BlueMD1927

February 25th, 2015 at 6:14 PM ^

If you fail to see the difference between a homeless college student and Reggie Bush's mom, then there is absolutely no point in having a conversation with you. You worship at the temple of the almighty dollar and nothing matters to you more than the bottom line. It's pointless to argue with you so I bid you farewell and offer my condolences to you'd family that they have to be associated with scum like you

BlueMD1927

February 25th, 2015 at 5:50 PM ^

As someone who has worked in the medical field (specifically the OR) and is a current a medical student, I find it absolutely disgusting that you wouldn't send flower's to a Doctor if her husband dies. I am well aware of the many limitations that are placed upon reps with regards to what they can give to doctors, but at the end of the day, there is right and there is wrong. I know that if we worked together and my wife died, and you didn't at the very least send flowers, I'd never spend another dime using one of your or your company's products. You're absolutely sickening.

BlueMD1927

February 25th, 2015 at 7:11 PM ^

And I agree with the rules in principle. What I find disgusting is the over-zealousness with which the rules are applied. The fact that you can't send flowers to a physician (something that is the common and decent thing to do) is what I have a problem with. It's one thing be providing free golf trips and dinners but offering condolences is quite another

GotBlueOnMyMind

February 25th, 2015 at 8:09 PM ^

Also, there's an avenue that most other students take to pay for things like rent and food: it's called a FAFSA loan. If his financial condition is that dire, he can do what the rest of us have to do and simply apply for a student loan. I've never understood why it's good enough for the rest of us, but not for the athletes, especially the ones on scholarship (as tuition is the largest part of any loan).

WolvinLA2

February 25th, 2015 at 4:07 PM ^

But is it a bad rule? No one had a problem with it when it was USC paying for Reggie Bush's poor mom to have housing. But now it's a bad rule? What's the difference? Because we hate USC, because Bush was good? It seems like the same thing to me. Rules are in place for a reason. Sometimes the way those rules are applied seems silly. But you can't go around making exceptions all the time. I sell medical equipment, which means I'm not allowed to buy gifts for physicians. This includes buying flowers for a doctor when her husband dies. Is that silly? Of course, but that's the rule and it needs to be applied uniformly. If Baylor wanted to give this kid a scholarship which would have included housing, they could have. But they didn't. So let's not get pissed at the NCAA.

WolvinLA2

February 25th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^

The Sunshine Act doesn't, but the AdvaMed Code does prohibit me from doing that. The AdvaMed Code is not a law, but most med device companies agree to abide by it. So if I break that code, I get fired and my company can lose whatever benefits it receives by being a complicit member.

BlueMD1927

February 25th, 2015 at 5:56 PM ^

your example is over something as silly as a medical product. As a medical student and future doctor, I can absolutely guarantee you that I would never do business with you. I want my business to go towards a company and rep that do what's right (such as giving a homeless Baylor student a house live in or sending flowers in the event of a death) and not to the "law-abiding" companies. your company and your business practices at the end of the day (and this is just my opinion) absolutely disgust and sicken me.

WolvinLA2

February 25th, 2015 at 6:13 PM ^

I would hope, as a doctor, you would give your business to the company selling the product that was the best option for your patient, not which rep bought you flowers. The whole intent of these rules are to prevent exactly what you're suggesting. They want physicians making decisions based on patient outcomes, not rep-MD relationships. "But Dr Brown, I thought the stent made by Company A was more effective?" "You're right, but that rep only shared their condolences verbally when my husband died, and Company B bought me a huge bouquet. I hope that helps."

BlueMD1927

February 25th, 2015 at 6:20 PM ^

I've sat through enough sales pitches from the likes of terumo, medtronics, Soren, haemonetics, and on and on that I know that just about every single product companies put out is essentially the exact the same thing. The stent graph that company A produces is essentially the exact same graph company B produces. ThTs why I'm choosing the company that shows they have a soul and not adheres to some "fanatical rules"

WolvinLA2

February 25th, 2015 at 8:15 PM ^

If you truly think every medical product in every category is the same, then (a) you know very little about medical technology, and (b) you should do your part in reducing the costs of healthcare and buy the cheapest. But still not the rep that buys you the most flowers. In the area I work, the price difference between the cheapest and the most expensive is more than double, and the most expensive is the market leader. Why? Because the physicians know the clinical benefit is worth the cost. So no, not all med devices are the same. If they were, I would be out of a job. In certainly not making sales by buying flowers.

bjk

February 25th, 2015 at 6:37 PM ^

has questions but no info. Given some of the speculation above, I think that if the NCAA-legal options involved going several thousands of dollars into debt, and sleeping on a family friend's floor didn't, I would go the less costly route as well. The whole scholar-athlete bit all started as a way for Fort Lewis A&M to get out of paying death benefits to Ray Dennison's widow in the 1950s. Since then, the NCAA has been in the tenuous position of enforcing penalties on students for accepting t-shirts or movie tickets while simultaniously helping university ADs to billions in commercial profits. Whatever the facts of this case, the background environment is morally unsustainable.

FreddieMercuryHayes

February 25th, 2015 at 3:57 PM ^

Ah, who cares at this point.  Just fix the damn problem.  And honestly, I'm not sure what the problem is right now.  Seems more info is coming out and it's not as clear cut NCAA IS BAD as initially presented.  Either way, I hope he gets to play, gets housing, and finishes his degree.  And whatever the problem in this whole fiasco is/was gets fixed and prevented in the future.

ChicagoGangViolins

February 25th, 2015 at 3:59 PM ^

 

Silas claims to have run more than 100 yards and scored a touchdown as a freshman football player at Cornell. Thing is, Cornell and the other Ivies do not permit freshmen to play football. Frosh can train but their exposure to football is limited and intercollegiate competition is barred. So ...

ChicagoGangViolins

February 25th, 2015 at 4:24 PM ^

 
My nephew just finished his senior year as a football player at Princeton. He categorically stated they were not permitted to play intercollegiate football as a freshman (and he didn't). Since the source was rather well informed, I accepted the explanation at face value. 
 
Wups. Guess I'm not the only person with 'splainin' to do.
 

In reply to by ChicagoGangViolins

CodeBlue82

February 26th, 2015 at 7:24 AM ^

The Ivy presidents approved freshman eligibility in 1993, but not all members took advantage. Since the Ivies don't allow regular redshirting or grad students to be eligible, some schools would have had freshmen on the roster who weren't permitted to play or have a fifth year. 

StephenRKass

February 25th, 2015 at 4:11 PM ^

I think that Baylor realized they would or could be hammered by the NCAA. When this became obvious, they released the statement, insuring that they stayed in compliance with NCAA rules and guidelines. I completely understand, if that is the case. Baylor would not have taken this action except for the NCAA rules. The NCAA had nothing to do with declaring him ineligible. Baylor was proactive in staying in compliance with the NCAA.

Now, if the NCAA is proactive, and tells Baylor that Baylor would receive an exception and be allowed to give a scholarship in this particular case, then the plot would thicken. The NCAA could call Baylor's bluff, so to speak. That would put it back on Baylor. If that happened, Baylor would look pretty bad not to take the young man on. Although, I suppose he could look to go to a team somewhere, anywhere, that wanted his talents on their squad. (provided, again, they hadn't run afoul of NCAA rules and guidelines.)

What a tangled web we weave.

Vote_Crisler_1937

February 25th, 2015 at 8:02 PM ^

I have questions.

If he had an established prior relationship with this person I do not believe it to be a violation to stay with him or her. Show me where the rules say he couldn't live with a family friend he knew prior to graduating high school?

In the article he mentions academic scholarship money that he earned to attend Baylor (unless he meant academic aid to attend the JUCO prior to Baylor?) in my day, you cannot take academic aid and play on the football team. You either have an athletic scholarship or you pay your own way. Any academic or financial aid counts against the 85 scholarships.

My guess is this kid is ineligible for reasons that have nothing to do with being homeless. Either he didn't really know the booster who took him in, or he was illegally recruited or he took money he shouldn't have either cash or scholarship.



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